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xioni2
17 March 2020 17:12:16

PM has confirmed more extreme measures to combat COVID-19 will be introduced in the coming days.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


They now have to follow the revised advice from the epidemiology team at Imperial.

John p
17 March 2020 17:14:24
'Only' 16 new deaths reported today.
A blip or cause for hope?
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SJV
17 March 2020 17:16:28

'Only' 16 new deaths reported today.
A blip or cause for hope?

Originally Posted by: John p 


I guess we'll only know in the days ahead. I would expect sharp rises in that figure in time.

Gavin D
17 March 2020 17:17:39

Italy have reported 3,526 new cases and 345 new deaths

Total to 31,506 cases and 2,503 deaths

Gavin D
17 March 2020 17:18:20
Chancellor making available £330bn of guaranteed loans for businesses, equivalent to 15% of GDP.
Heavy Weather 2013
17 March 2020 17:20:46
There was a big focus on business.

However, there was a real lack of detail around individuals.

A 3 month break on mortgages are welcome. However what about people who rent?

My mum partners now has to isolate for 12 weeks and will only get 12 weeks SSP.


Mark
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Gavin D
17 March 2020 17:21:22
Mortgage lenders will give a three-month holiday for those in difficulty due to Coronavirus.
SJV
17 March 2020 17:24:45
Vallance avoided Kuennsberg's question about regretting not altering strategy sooner.
Arcus
17 March 2020 17:27:45


 


There won't be a 250k outcome, that was the forecast with mitigation (herd immunity) only and without social distancing measures in the wider population.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Don't shoot the messenger but the 250k may yet not be the worst scenario on offer.


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Gavin D
17 March 2020 17:28:32
John p
17 March 2020 17:32:31


 


Don't shoot the messenger but the 250k may yet not be the worst scenario on offer.


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Can you expand on that? Valance earlier was talking about keeping it below 20k, which seems very optimistic!


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Brian Gaze
17 March 2020 17:37:49

'Only' 16 new deaths reported today.
A blip or cause for hope?

Originally Posted by: John p 


As nsrobbins said earlier the daily figures will be "noisy" at the moment. Read absolutely nothing into one day's count at this stage. 


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Heavy Weather 2013
17 March 2020 17:39:52
Renters have been totally overlooked in these measures.
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Saint Snow
17 March 2020 17:40:10


Aggressive testing helps Italian town cut new coronavirus cases to zero


https://www.ft.com/content/0dba7ea8-6713-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3?desktop=true&segmentId=d8d3e364-5197-20eb-17cf-2437841d178a


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


 


Again the testing.


So much evidence and expert advice that massive levels of testing is key, and this government first allowed testing facilities to become overrun, then scaled testing right back (unless you're a politician, footballer or celebrity). 


Surely they should have pumped additional resources in weeks ago as a vital tool in confronting this.


This government has been shambolic from the start, then changed its entire strategy just when the crisis was beginning to accelerate. I hope they're held to account once this has receded.



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Gooner
17 March 2020 17:43:42


 


I still keep wondering how we'll get to the 250000 scenario or even close to it


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Now potentially 20,000 but I cant see us getting anywhere near that ( not that I want it )


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Essan
17 March 2020 17:44:27


Given the advice for over 70s to remain at home, I was surprised to see so many out shopping in supermarkets today.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



Think I saw more over 70s (certainly, over 60s) in my shop and, later, on the street/in other shops than any other age group!   And at least one of my older customers seemed to have the attitude he wasn't going to listen to a dictatorial government - and why did I think I'd have to close my shop soon?!


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Gavin D
17 March 2020 17:45:00

EUROPEAN LEAGUES TO END DOMESTIC SEASON BY JUNE 30


European leagues have committed to ending all domestic season by June 30, according to a statement released by UEFA.


It is hoped that the current situation improves and resuming playing will be appropriate and prudent enough – finishing exactly a month after the original end date of May 30.


https://www.skysports.com/more-sports/live-blog/32461/11945306/coronavirus-latest-how-outbreak-is-affecting-sport

SJV
17 March 2020 17:53:22


 


Now potentially 20,000 but I cant see us getting anywhere near that ( not that I want it )


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


As in you expect less than that figure? Remember this will run and run, in peaks and troughs, until we've either achieved immunity through a heavily infected>recovered population - in which instance the death toll will be much higher, or a vaccine becomes available to immunise the population. The latter is favoured providing our suppression methods are effective enough. I worry for the winter months; I hope we don't become complacent as a public when the first wave slows.

Gooner
17 March 2020 17:53:44

Just spoke to a neighbour who proudly told me she took her father out to the pub for a pint today...……………….we have no chance at this rate 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Gooner
17 March 2020 17:54:44


 


As in you expect less than that figure? Remember this will run and run, in peaks and troughs, until we've either achieved immunity through a heavily infected>recovered population - in which instance the death toll will be much higher, or a vaccine becomes available to immunise the population. The latter is favoured providing our suppression methods are effective enough. I worry for the winter months; I hope we don't become complacent as a public when the first wave slows.


Originally Posted by: SJV 


That's a huge concern 


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Caz
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17 March 2020 17:54:44


Aggressive testing helps Italian town cut new coronavirus cases to zero


https://www.ft.com/content/0dba7ea8-6713-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3?desktop=true&segmentId=d8d3e364-5197-20eb-17cf-2437841d178a


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

Sorry, I can’t see that article, but how can testing cut cases to zero?  


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Heavy Weather 2013
17 March 2020 17:55:24

I do believe more extreme measures will be introduced on Thursday. This was alluded to by the PM.


 


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Caz
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17 March 2020 18:00:24


I do believe more extreme measures will be introduced on Thursday. This was alluded to by the PM.


 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

I think the policy of isolating the whole household for 7 days if one person gets any symptoms has already started to close businesses and schools.  


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doctormog
17 March 2020 18:01:22


Sorry, I can’t see that article, but how can testing cut cases to zero?  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Without reading the article I would guess it is connected to contact tracing of people who have tested positive. If these people are all effectively isolated it will have a good chance of stopping any further spread, if other measures are in place.


 


Meanwhile I am still at work up here (surrounded by over 1000 kids).


Arcus
17 March 2020 18:02:25


 


Can you expand on that? Valance earlier was talking about keeping it below 20k, which seems very optimistic!


Originally Posted by: John p 


I've not heard of any model that is confidently predicting no subsequent waves, and the more people you have that are yet to contract it the more will be susceptible further down the line. There are also some scenarios where there are problems with vaccine traction due to the issues I posted about earlier with recurrence of the virus, which is why there's so much attention being paid now to that. Fingers crossed it is not a big issue and does not delay a good working vaccine.


 


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