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Heavy Weather 2013
18 March 2020 15:04:40

14:57
Downing Street addresses rumours of London lockdown

Asked if London - the current hotspot for the virus - would be locked down, the Prime Minister's official spokesman said: "In terms of the measures that we are taking, we have always said they would be based on the latest and best scientific advice, including from the chief medical officer and the chief scientific adviser."

Asked whether people would not be allowed out unless they had paperwork to show their journey was necessary the spokesman said: "We have set out the steps which we think are necessary at this point in time.

"But we will be guided by scientific and medical advice to ensure we take the right steps to protect the public."

That is a roundabout way of saying yes
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Brian Gaze
18 March 2020 15:06:46


 


As I said, the whole fabric of conservative economics is being dismantled and they are terrified of this more than the virus itself.


If we can just create £350bn out of nothing, why did we have 10 years of austerity which led to the premature deaths of 100,000 poor people?


Why not solve the homeless crisis by paying for them  to stay at the Barclay Brother owned Ritz , which is empty?


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


The current economic orthodoxy goes back to the Vietnam war and the so called "oil crisis". In the UK the seeds of the "neoliberal" system were actually sown by Callaghan not Thatcher. The "zeitgeist" is what determines the economic system of the day, not Boris or Margaret. We will obviously now see a switch back to big government and I personally suspect it will set the tone for the next few decades. 


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The Beast from the East
18 March 2020 15:07:20


 


This ties in perfectly with my comments yesterday around the queen being moved to Windsor


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


She should stay in London and show solidarity with the plebs, or let the homeless move into Buck House


I think the army will be deployed to enforce the lockdown as there aren't enough police thanks to the Tory cuts


I just hope only inner London is locked down, there are no cases in some outer London boroughs, so no need to totally feck everybody up


 


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Quantum
18 March 2020 15:07:56


 


As I said, the whole fabric of conservative economics is being dismantled and they are terrified of this more than the virus itself.


If we can just create £350bn out of nothing, why did we have 10 years of austerity which led to the premature deaths of 100,000 poor people?


Why not solve the homeless crisis by paying for them  to stay at the Barclay Brother owned Ritz , which is empty?


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Because you can't just do this. Yes you can 'create £350B out of nothing' but you will have to pay for it later. This is a short term solution that will take years , if not decades, to pay for.


And just hope that this doesn't go on for too long, otherwise we should expect hyperinflation.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Heavy Weather 2013
18 March 2020 15:10:32
Also, the fact that Downing Street hasn’t defined the rumour will mean events could well get ahead of them.

This will start spreading and panic will ensure if they do not be clear this afternoon. This delay Nonsense feeds the fear.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Brian Gaze
18 March 2020 15:11:45

I think a catastrophe is unfolding in London:


London paramedics attending people who could be infected with the coronavirus were told only one person in each team of two could wear a face mask, with the other instructed to stand two metres away from the patient if “clinically appropriate”, our Mattha Busby reports.


The message was sent from controllers to London Ambulance Service crews at 3am on Tuesday, prompting paramedics to question why they were ordered to ration face masks in the advice given in a directive sent to ambulance terminals.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/mar/18/uk-coronavirus-live-boris-johnson-pmqs-cbi-urges-government-pay-businesses-directly-saying-350bn-loangrant-package-not-enough


 


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Heavy Weather 2013
18 March 2020 15:12:49


I think a catastrophe is unfolding in London:


London paramedics attending people who could be infected with the coronavirus were told only one person in each team of two could wear a face mask, with the other instructed to stand two metres away from the patient if “clinically appropriate”, our Mattha Busby reports.


The message was sent from controllers to London Ambulance Service crews at 3am on Tuesday, prompting paramedics to question why they were ordered to ration face masks in the advice given in a directive sent to ambulance terminals.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/mar/18/uk-coronavirus-live-boris-johnson-pmqs-cbi-urges-government-pay-businesses-directly-saying-350bn-loangrant-package-not-enough


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Brian I have a sense things are going to unravel very fast in the next 12hrs


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
The Beast from the East
18 March 2020 15:13:17

14:57
Downing Street addresses rumours of London lockdown



That is a roundabout way of saying yes

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Again, it should only be in Kensingston and Westminster where most of the cases are


Locking down all 32 boroughs would be unnecessary and logistically impossible. Police don't investigate burglaries anymore, how are they supposed to enforce this?


Troops on the streets in a very ethnically diverse city would also present its own problems. Off duty soldiers are already told not wear their uniforms in public for the abuse they get


I really hope Boris bottles this and does nothing. 


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Gavin D
18 March 2020 15:13:36

Caz
  • Caz
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18 March 2020 15:15:30


I think a catastrophe is unfolding in London:


London paramedics attending people who could be infected with the coronavirus were told only one person in each team of two could wear a face mask, with the other instructed to stand two metres away from the patient if “clinically appropriate”, our Mattha Busby reports.


The message was sent from controllers to London Ambulance Service crews at 3am on Tuesday, prompting paramedics to question why they were ordered to ration face masks in the advice given in a directive sent to ambulance terminals.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/mar/18/uk-coronavirus-live-boris-johnson-pmqs-cbi-urges-government-pay-businesses-directly-saying-350bn-loangrant-package-not-enough


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

I thought face masks were only to protect others from you, not to protect you from them. 


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Chunky Pea
18 March 2020 15:15:32

It will be interesting to see (if we are still around) how history will remember and document the great plague of 2020...


..Or maybe not:



 


 


 


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The Beast from the East
18 March 2020 15:15:39


 


Because you can't just do this. Yes you can 'create £350B out of nothing' but you will have to pay for it later. This is a short term solution that will take years , if not decades, to pay for.


And just hope that this doesn't go on for too long, otherwise we should expect hyperinflation.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Why? 


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Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Heavy Weather 2013
18 March 2020 15:15:53




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Now the cat is out of the bag, Downing Street is going to need to contain this, because panic will set in now.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
bowser
18 March 2020 15:16:18


 


Because you can't just do this. Yes you can 'create £350B out of nothing' but you will have to pay for it later. This is a short term solution that will take years , if not decades, to pay for.


And just hope that this doesn't go on for too long, otherwise we should expect hyperinflation.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I don't see hyperinflation. But, yes the back end of this has to be factored in too, hence they are doing it in steps until it sticks. Its the same elsewhere.

Caz
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18 March 2020 15:19:03

The guardian is reporting schools are to close Friday. 


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Saint Snow
18 March 2020 15:19:55


I think a catastrophe is unfolding in London:


London paramedics attending people who could be infected with the coronavirus were told only one person in each team of two could wear a face mask, with the other instructed to stand two metres away from the patient if “clinically appropriate”, our Mattha Busby reports.


The message was sent from controllers to London Ambulance Service crews at 3am on Tuesday, prompting paramedics to question why they were ordered to ration face masks in the advice given in a directive sent to ambulance terminals.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/mar/18/uk-coronavirus-live-boris-johnson-pmqs-cbi-urges-government-pay-businesses-directly-saying-350bn-loangrant-package-not-enough


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


 


There is a massive shortage of face masks across the NHS. Normal suppliers have restricted supplies; the suspicion is that they're selling them to private companies for a higher price...


One manufacturer someone I work with knows has refused and is still fulfilling NHS contracts but they're only a small player. They were approached late February to supply an absolutely massive order by a retailer in Britain but declined as it would have meant solely producing for this retailer at a rate which would have meant round-the-clock production for 3 months.


 


 



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Quantum
18 March 2020 15:20:09


 


Why? 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Because the currency is only a representation of the trade of Labour and produce. If you just print money to temporaily redistribute the wealth an inevitable consequence of that is people start to lose confidence in the currency.


There isn't a magic money tree, borrowing from the future is going to have consequences in the future.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
The Beast from the East
18 March 2020 15:20:48


It will be interesting to see (if we are still around) how history will remember and document the great plague of 2020...


..Or maybe not:



 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


Humanity may have peaked in terms of its evolutionary development, and its time for it to be eradicated to save all the other animals on mother earth


I mentioned this before, but for those who can get FOX, well worth watch the new Anglo/French Canal+ remake of "War of the Worlds"


The best thing I have seen since Chernobyl. The Aliens wipe us out, not because they need our resources, but because we are a parasite destroying the planet


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Quantum
18 March 2020 15:21:53


 


Now the cat is out of the bag, Downing Street is going to need to contain this, because panic will set in now.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


F#cking idiot sources and f#cking idiot journalists reporting this.


Don't these tools realize the reason Italy locked down is because people escaped the Lombardy quarantine.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
westv
18 March 2020 15:23:36


The guardian is reporting schools are to close Friday. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


The earth shakes as 100,000 children jump for joy in unison LOL!


At least it will be mild!
Brian Gaze
18 March 2020 15:23:49


 


Because the currency is only a representation of the trade of Labour and produce. If you just print money to temporaily redistribute the wealth an inevitable consequence of that is people start to lose confidence in the currency.


There isn't a magic money tree, borrowing from the future is going to have consequences in the future.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


There is nothing stopping a central bank from simply "printing" new money and NOT counting it as borrowing. The problem as you suggest is inflation but that is also dependent on how fast the money circulates in the system. One problem I see is we could end-up - for a time - a little like the Soviet Union where there is plenty of "money" but nothing to buy with it. A black market could well spring up where people are buying products with other means than £s.  


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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The Beast from the East
18 March 2020 15:24:05


 


 


There isn't a magic money tree, borrowing from the future is going to have consequences in the future.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


But cant you just keep doing it to keep the system going forever?


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Quantum
18 March 2020 15:25:34


 


But cant you just keep doing it to keep the system going forever?


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Because currency is not 'real' it's only an abstract representation of trade. You cannot have the former without the later. In practical terms if you took this to extreme the value of the currency would just hit zero eventually.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Caz
  • Caz
  • Advanced Member
18 March 2020 15:25:50


It will be interesting to see (if we are still around) how history will remember and document the great plague of 2020...


..Or maybe not:



 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

That’s in Asda.  Asda’s brand Shades loo roll, £8 for a pack of 24. There the ones I buy and they last us ages!  Good job too because I haven’t seen any on the shelves lately. 


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Saint Snow
18 March 2020 15:26:26


It will be interesting to see (if we are still around) how history will remember and document the great plague of 2020...


..Or maybe not:



 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


 


What an absolute selfish gobshite that's 168 bog rolls when there's people desperate (in more ways than one) because of bulk buying & stockpiling.


 



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan

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