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Heavy Weather 2013
18 March 2020 20:38:47


 


Nor me 


It's going to be a tough time for the young and old alike - I should imagine starting out  career and life wise in  economic aftermath of this will be especially tough for the young


At the other end of the spectrum Dad's older brother died  last weekend - he was the last member of his direct  family (dad is the youngest at 86).  They can't hold a proper funeral becuase of Corona virus and Dad wouldn't be able to attend if they did.  He can't get proper closure on this.  They are planning on having a celebration of uncle Jack's life when they can get the older members of the family together for it - Lord alone knows when that will be and it's   not inconceivable that a lot will never make it 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


So sorry for your loss


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
xioni2
18 March 2020 20:39:22


I have a fuel stockpile but I keep both the BMW and the Defender more than half full at all times. So if the needle is on the halfway mark, it is time to fill up.


This afternoon I went to fill the Defender. There was no diesel at the local garage, no diesel at Tesco in Ashford and none at Sainsbury’s. I had to drive 15 miles to Hythe to find some and then queue to get onto the forecourt.


Things are moving at pace. I do think there is a small but growing risk of a total economic collapse.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


I just thought that the handles at the pumps must be one of the dirtiest surfaces around after door handles and probably ripe for corona. I have little doubt though that you use disposable gloves or pure ethanol or a hazmat suit. 


 

David M Porter
18 March 2020 20:39:27


 


It is extremely relevant - when I suggested that borders between Slovenia, Austria, Switzerland and France with Italy, should be closed almost two weeks ago, I was told I was "hysterical". When I said cruises should be cancelled and the WHO should advise that back in January, I was called "hysterical". When I said that the UK should suspend flights to and from virus hotspots, I was called "hysterical". I was told the economic damage would be too great, that people's holidays would be ruined, that people might lose the money they had spent in advance on their holidays. Compare the economic damage of restricting borders and cancelling holidays with what is occurring now!


People thought they could carry on their open borders, travel anywhere, liberal universalist daydream, whilst the looming pandemic was knocking on the door!


So no, I won't shut up about this - people were deluded, many still are deluded and most are still deluding themselves about this - we could have kept this catastrophe at bay, if and only if European countries, including the UK, had appreciated the danger and suspended business as usual well in advance.


Now we have disaster and catastrophe across the whole of Europe, because people were deluded, still are deluded and never grasped the nettle!


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 



See my post a couple below this one (#488) about how the government could have avoided the worst happening to this country, both in terms of people's wellbeing and protecting the economy, had they applied a bit of basic common sense many weeks ago.


Johnson & co, along with governments right across Europe, have screwed up monumentally here in terms of protecting the best interests of the people they are there to serve.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Maunder Minimum
18 March 2020 20:39:48


Unbelievably my sister (who I am estranged from) flew to the Maldives with her partner on Saturday. A two week holiday. On Monday, the Maldives banned flights from the UK.


At the start of a major pandemic and the biggest disaster since the War, my sister was going to have her holiday no matter what.


A small part of me thinks I may never see her again.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Sorry to hear that Justin. Some people just carried on totally deluded, as though they could go anywhere and do anything.


Just come off the phone to my son-in-law who as you know is a GP - their receptionist went to Turkey last week for a holiday and is now stuck there. This is someone who works in the healthcare sector who was still mad enough to go on a foreign holiday last week because "she had paid for it". Nuts!


Anyone taking a foreign holiday in the past two weeks was either nuts or ignorant. Sorry!


New world order coming.
ozone_aurora
18 March 2020 20:39:58


 


Nor me 


It's going to be a tough time for the young and old alike - I should imagine starting out  career and life wise in  economic aftermath of this will be especially tough for the young


At the other end of the spectrum Dad's older brother died  last weekend - he was the last member of his direct  family (dad is the youngest at 86).  They can't hold a proper funeral becuase of Corona virus and Dad wouldn't be able to attend if they did.  He can't get proper closure on this.  They are planning on having a celebration of uncle Jack's life when they can get the older members of the family together for it - Lord alone knows when that will be and it's   not inconceivable that a lot will never make it 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


I'm very sorry to hear your loss. My heart goes out to you and your dad, Chris.

Maunder Minimum
18 March 2020 20:41:36


 



See my post a couple below this one (#488) about how the government could have avoided the worst happening to this country, both in terms of people's wellbeing and protecting the economy, had they applied a bit of basic common sense many weeks ago.


Johnson & co, along with governments right across Europe, have screwed up monumentally here in terms of protecting the best interests of the people they are there to serve.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Indeed they have David, but many people are still too deluded by their past beliefs to see the truth of it.


Of course a virus does not respect borders, but a secure border is another and very powerful form of social distancing (to use the phrase).


 


New world order coming.
JHutch
18 March 2020 20:42:34

Whether Idle
18 March 2020 20:44:30


 



See my post a couple below this one (#488) about how the government could have avoided the worst happening to this country, both in terms of people's wellbeing and protecting the economy, had they applied a bit of basic common sense many weeks ago.


Johnson & co, along with governments right across Europe, have screwed up monumentally here in terms of protecting the best interests of the people they are there to serve.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Indeed they have.  They are responsible for not protecting us.


Shambolic cock-wombles they are.  And I see the Tories (as exemplified by Dorries above) are now pouring the blame onto people exercising the choice given to them by the government that's been busy licking its own anus over Brexit and indulging in masturbatory Power Grabs from parts of itself when it should have banned people arriving from China at Christmastime.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
David M Porter
18 March 2020 20:49:00


 


Sorry to hear that Justin. Some people just carried on totally deluded, as though they could go anywhere and do anything.


Just come off the phone to my son-in-law who as you know is a GP - their receptionist went to Turkey last week for a holiday and is now stuck there. This is someone who works in the healthcare sector who was still mad enough to go on a foreign holiday last week because "she had paid for it". Nuts!


Anyone taking a foreign holiday in the past two weeks was either nuts or ignorant. Sorry!


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Quite possibly both, if you ask me.


I think the likes of you and me would have had rather less reason to criticise the response by our government and those in other countries across Europe had this virus suddenly sprung up in a few days with little prior warning and had stared affected people in many countries en masse all of a sudden. There was plenty of warning; BBC News was reporting the worsening situation with the virus in China and Asia in many bulletins on a daily basis back in mid-late January. That was the time when our government and those in Europe should have said "Right, we need to do something about this and pronto".


As far as I am aware, the first UK case of Covid-19 was confirmed just before the end of January in York, yet there was no serious action of any sort by Johnson until the beginning of March.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
David M Porter
18 March 2020 20:50:38


 


Indeed they have David, but many people are still too deluded by their past beliefs to see the truth of it.


Of course a virus does not respect borders, but a secure border is another and very powerful form of social distancing (to use the phrase).


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Absolutely.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
bowser
18 March 2020 20:50:48


 



The magic money tree appears only in certain seasons and for specific harvests.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Until the £ sinks and yields spike.... there is no magic bullet.

Heavy Weather 2013
18 March 2020 20:51:32




Originally Posted by: JHutch 


I am doing my evening review and it appears that yet again the advice to social distance isn’t working. We are I fear already over the cliff.


We should have closed boarders months ago. That was mistake 1. We should have banned all social activity last Friday. That was mistake 2. This week we should have locked down. Valance and his care are too distracted by their bloody model and not looking at what’s happening outside.


 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
bowser
18 March 2020 20:52:24


 


Awful Bugglesgate, and sorry for your loss. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


So sorry Chris, you are one of the good guys.

Whether Idle
18 March 2020 20:53:53


 


I am doing my evening review and it appears that yet again the advice to social distance isn’t working. We are I fear already over the cliff.


We should have closed boarders months ago. That was mistake 1. We should have banned all social activity last Friday. That was mistake 2. This week we should have locked down. Valance and his care are too distracted by their bloody model and not looking at what’s happening outside.


 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


At last some truth on here rather than Tory boys whingeing that people have the cheek to criticise Captain Slow (aka Johnson).


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Maunder Minimum
18 March 2020 20:56:07


 


Indeed they have.  They are responsible for not protecting us.


Shambolic cock-wombles they are.  And I see the Tories (as exemplified by Dorries above) are now pouring the blame onto people exercising the choice given to them by the government that's been busy licking its own anus over Brexit and indulging in masturbatory Power Grabs from parts of itself when it should have banned people arriving from China at Christmastime.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


You are ignoring the fact that this situation holds across all of Europe. It is the political model of Europe as a whole which has failed its peoples.


P.S. Israeli article on how their modelling showed the risks of healthcare being overwhelmed:


https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-the-terrifying-coronavirus-model-that-pushed-israel-to-take-unprecedented-steps-1.8683754


Anyhow, this is how Israel is handling the pandemic with technology:


 




New world order coming.
Maunder Minimum
18 March 2020 20:57:17


 


At last some truth on here rather than Tory boys whingeing that people have the cheek to criticise Captain Slow (aka Johnson).


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


This is not party political - do you really think a Corbyn Government would have closed borders in a timely fashion?


New world order coming.
Gavin D
18 March 2020 20:57:30

Some experts are predicting Italy to peak between the 23rd and 25th. They suggest numbers will begin to stabilise between March 25th and April 15th.


Italy's full lockdown is due to end on the 25th though you would expect that to be extended by at least another week.


 


https://www.france24.com/en/20200318-is-italy-peaking-yet-experts-urge-patience

Heavy Weather 2013
18 March 2020 21:04:58


Some experts are predicting Italy to peak between the 23rd and 25th. They suggest numbers will begin to stabilise between March 25th and April 15th.


Italy's full lockdown is due to end on the 25th though you would expect that to be extended by at least another week.


 


https://www.france24.com/en/20200318-is-italy-peaking-yet-experts-urge-patience


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Goodness. It paints an improving picture, but it’s awful to think that the different parts will have different peaks.


You have to say based on this, we could be seeing this go on for months. We are behind Italy. London appears to be the first epicentre. But we haven’t even entered lockdown yet.


I think we need to start thinking this is not going to resolve itself full my for the rest of this year.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Quantum
18 March 2020 21:05:42

My JFF model is predicting a peak on the 28th March.


Very skeptical about that.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
xioni2
18 March 2020 21:07:28


Some experts are predicting Italy to peak between the 23rd and 25th. 


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Let's hope their models are better than ours.

Whether Idle
18 March 2020 21:07:53


 


You are ignoring the fact that this situation holds across all of Europe. It is the political model of Europe as a whole which has failed its peoples.


Anyhow, this is how Israel is handling the pandemic with technology:


 




Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Johnson has been asleep at the wheel, or holidaying on illegally paid bribes from chinless friends out in the Caribbean. 


You know how much he disassociates himself from Europe politically, so I laugh at your brassneck at using Europe as a fig leaf for the Tory Johnson Government's reckless deathly ineptitude and corruption.


 


Interesting bit about Israel.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
xioni2
18 March 2020 21:08:30


My JFF model is predicting a peak on the 28th March.


Very skeptical about that.


 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


If that's 28th March 2021, then you should be close.

Gavin D
18 March 2020 21:08:53


My JFF model is predicting a peak on the 28th March.


Very skeptical about that.


 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


Was it the CMO who said a few days ago that we could see a peak in 2 to 3 weeks?


 


28th wouldn't be too far off at the lower end of that window

Brian Gaze
18 March 2020 21:09:22


At the other end of the spectrum Dad's older brother died  last weekend - he was the last member of his direct  family (dad is the youngest at 86).  They can't hold a proper funeral becuase of Corona virus and Dad wouldn't be able to attend if they did.  He can't get proper closure on this.  They are planning on having a celebration of uncle Jack's life when they can get the older members of the family together for it - Lord alone knows when that will be and it's   not inconceivable that a lot will never make it 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


My mum died last week and it looks as though my wife and I will only be able to attend the funeral "remotely". My dad died on Boxing Day so  both of my parents have gone within the space of a few months. They were 92 and 89 so both had quite long lives. A big part of me thinks they both got out at just the right time. It really feels as though the world has been turned on its head in the last 6 months. 


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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David M Porter
18 March 2020 21:11:41


 


My mum died last week and it looks as though my wife and I will only be able to attend the funeral "remotely". My dad died on Boxing Day so  both of my parents have gone within the space of a few months. They were 92 and 89 so both had quite long lives. A big part of me thinks they both got out at just the right time. It really feels as though the world has been turned on its head in the last 6 months. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Really sorry to read this, Brian. Deepest condolences to you and your family.


My grandparents on my dad's side both died in early 1992, my Grandad on 11th February aged 83 and my Gran on 2nd March aged 82, so I know what how horrible it is to lose two loved ones in quick succession.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022

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