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Devonian
18 March 2020 08:49:03


 


What an irresponsible Tweet! Utterly shameless! Sweden, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan have all kept schools open.


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-madness-of-torygenocide


"...


This is not that. This is not a scholarly exchange on the merits of ‘herd immunity’ or social distancing. This is the proposition that the Prime Minister is so wicked, sadistic and Machiavellian that he is, per the internationally recognised definition of genocide, acting ‘with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group’ by, inter alia, ‘deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part’.


 

Let me be clear: if you believe this, you are a loon. A wack-job. Nuttier than an M&Ms spillage in a Snickers factory. The #torygenocide conspiracy theory is not the mutterings of a bus station wino but of apparently intelligent people unable to surrender a psychological crutch. That is, the reassuring conviction that their opponents are plainly evil, so evil they would perpetrate mass cleansing of the weak and vulnerable out of ideological callousness. Who wouldn’t want to lean on such a crutch? If those you disagree with are monsters, you no longer have to go to the trouble of disagreeing with them. You can simply pronounce them hostis humani generis and hear your analysis echoed in your political silo of choice. "


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


How many people are going to get seriously sick?

Brian Gaze
18 March 2020 08:49:40


Keeping schools open this long and allowing people to gather in crowded supermarkets and not ordering closures of businesses, is basically the herd strategy ongoing. If they really wanted to contain this, they should force people to stay indoors and deliver food to them, like in Wuhan. But job done. Virus is now endemic and will do its thing


 




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


The problem with your theory is that most of the those who will snuff it are likely to be Tory voters.


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Heavy Weather 2013
18 March 2020 08:50:26


 


What an irresponsible Tweet! Utterly shameless! Sweden, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan have all kept schools open.


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-madness-of-torygenocide


"...


This is not that. This is not a scholarly exchange on the merits of ‘herd immunity’ or social distancing. This is the proposition that the Prime Minister is so wicked, sadistic and Machiavellian that he is, per the internationally recognised definition of genocide, acting ‘with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group’ by, inter alia, ‘deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part’.


 

Let me be clear: if you believe this, you are a loon. A wack-job. Nuttier than an M&Ms spillage in a Snickers factory. The #torygenocide conspiracy theory is not the mutterings of a bus station wino but of apparently intelligent people unable to surrender a psychological crutch. That is, the reassuring conviction that their opponents are plainly evil, so evil they would perpetrate mass cleansing of the weak and vulnerable out of ideological callousness. Who wouldn’t want to lean on such a crutch? If those you disagree with are monsters, you no longer have to go to the trouble of disagreeing with them. You can simply pronounce them hostis humani generis and hear your analysis echoed in your political silo of choice. "


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Sweden have closed their schools as of yesterday apparently. Also, SK did close their schools 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Maunder Minimum
18 March 2020 08:50:57


One rule for the rich…..


 




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


At least that one explains how some celebs have been able to get a test result. Also in the Telegraph:


"Celebrities, members of the nobility and many of Britain's largest businesses are sidestepping Government rules by paying for private coronavirus tests, it has emerged.


More than 2,000 people have paid £375 each for a home kit produced by a Harley Street clinic after being refused testing by the NHS, The Telegraph has learned."


New world order coming.
Maunder Minimum
18 March 2020 08:56:30


 


Sweden have closed their schools as of yesterday apparently. Also, SK did close their schools 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I did not know Sweden had changed their position on schools - up until yesterday they had the same position as UK.


 


New world order coming.
Heavy Weather 2013
18 March 2020 08:56:55

At the rate I am going, I wont have many friends left on facebook.


I even just called out my step mother who said she was soldering on and going to get her nails done today.


I am sick of people flagrant attitude to this.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Brian Gaze
18 March 2020 08:57:18


 


I did not know Sweden had changed their position on schools - up until yesterday they had the same position as UK.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Finland also closing schools.


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Roger Parsons
18 March 2020 08:59:45


Worth checking out "medical school syndrome" which Shawn Achor talks about. Even very intelligent people with specialist knowledge are fooled into convincing themselves they have a disease when they study it.


The problem is that, as research shows, when we think about something as being unhealthy, it has an unhealthy effect upon us. That's why people oft en start to manifest the symptoms of the diseases they most fixate upon, and it's the reason first-year medical students get the infamous "medical school syndrome" in which they start believing that they have each disease they are studying. But this poses a significant problem for hospitals: How can you make people feel healthier in a place associated with sickness and disease?


Link to Oprah but he is quite well known and respected.


http://www.oprah.com/own-super-soul-sunday/shawn-achor-on-why-happiness-is-contagious/all


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


The counter argument is that "all professions are conspiracies against the laity."


R.


RogerP
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Maunder Minimum
18 March 2020 09:01:38


 


Finland also closing schools.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It is clear that schools will be closed in the UK - my son-in-law told me last week that the planning assumption was that UK schools would shutdown at the end of this week.


But there may be subtle effects - could some facilities be kept open on a skeleton basis to look after the children of essential workers in the NHS and other essential services?


New world order coming.
speckledjim
18 March 2020 09:05:46


At the rate I am going, I wont have many friends left on facebook.


I even just called out my step mother who said she was soldering on and going to get her nails done today.


I am sick of people flagrant attitude to this.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I understand your anger and feel for the situation you are in needing to self isolate. As long as you are careful you will be able to avoid catching the virus. 


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Caz
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18 March 2020 09:06:38


Having gone into work feeling a bit under the weather, with a sore throat (usually means a cold for me, not one of the symptoms for covid), I found my voice had gone really gravelly when I was speaking to the head!

She asked if I had a fever, I said I felt a bit off colour but couldn't check... and five minutes later (leaving me in the office) a thermometer was procured. It read 38.something and so I've now been sent home to self-isolate for a week - it's official now!

I'm more annoyed I can't sort out the utter cluster-mess of Google Classroom today than anything else... the sync script written by someone else in the Trust borked and removed all the kids from their classes yesterday night.


As I said a couple of days ago, there's no way schools can continue to run due to staff self-isolating. I can pretty much gaurantee that they will be closed by Monday.


Originally Posted by: Retron 

Same here. Our secondary school has sent some years home due to staff shortages. 


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Brian Gaze
18 March 2020 09:09:54


 


It is clear that schools will be closed in the UK - my son-in-law told me last week that the planning assumption was that UK schools would shutdown at the end of this week.


But there may be subtle effects - could some facilities be kept open on a skeleton basis to look after the children of essential workers in the NHS and other essential services?


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Something along those lines could make sense but I imagine there will be serious issues to overcome. For example, in the areas where hospitals are most stretched there is likely to be a higher incidence of ill teachers. 


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Joe Bloggs
18 March 2020 09:10:23


At the rate I am going, I wont have many friends left on facebook.


I even just called out my step mother who said she was soldering on and going to get her nails done today.


I am sick of people flagrant attitude to this.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


If the Government don’t close places down then this will continue to happen. 


The specific message of “we strongly encourage you not to go” rather than “you have to close” , is muddying the waters and is a rather mixed message. This is the fault of the Government. 



Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL

Heavy Weather 2013
18 March 2020 09:12:23


 


If the Government don’t close places down then this will continue to happen. 


The specific message of “we strongly encourage you not to go” rather than “you have to close” , is muddying the waters and is a rather mixed message. This is the fault of the Government. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


I totally agree Joe. How are you coping? Haven't seen you on for a while and I know this is all probably making you very anxious


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Rob K
18 March 2020 09:12:38


 


If the Government don’t close places down then this will continue to happen. 


The specific message of “we strongly encourage you not to go” rather than “you have to close” , is muddying the waters and is a rather mixed message. This is the fault of the Government. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


I assume their thinking is they want the young and fit to be out and about getting the virus while the more vulnerable shut themselves away: a kind of voluntary imposition of two systems in parallel. But I don’t think that will work. 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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NickR
18 March 2020 09:18:38


 


What an irresponsible Tweet! Utterly shameless! Sweden, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan have all kept schools open.


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-madness-of-torygenocide


"...


This is not that. This is not a scholarly exchange on the merits of ‘herd immunity’ or social distancing. This is the proposition that the Prime Minister is so wicked, sadistic and Machiavellian that he is, per the internationally recognised definition of genocide, acting ‘with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group’ by, inter alia, ‘deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part’.


 

Let me be clear: if you believe this, you are a loon. A wack-job. Nuttier than an M&Ms spillage in a Snickers factory. The #torygenocide conspiracy theory is not the mutterings of a bus station wino but of apparently intelligent people unable to surrender a psychological crutch. That is, the reassuring conviction that their opponents are plainly evil, so evil they would perpetrate mass cleansing of the weak and vulnerable out of ideological callousness. Who wouldn’t want to lean on such a crutch? If those you disagree with are monsters, you no longer have to go to the trouble of disagreeing with them. You can simply pronounce them hostis humani generis and hear your analysis echoed in your political silo of choice. "


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Completely disingenuous as regards Taiwan, as was pointed out in the media yesterday.


And South Korea.


Nick
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Joe Bloggs
18 March 2020 09:19:52


 


I totally agree Joe. How are you coping? Haven't seen you on for a while and I know this is all probably making you very anxious


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Thanks for asking mate. :-) 


I’m feeling a tiny bit calmer now my grandad’s funeral is out of the way. I had the hardest day of my entire career yesterday - single handedly managing a team of 30, closing down the office, a few of them were crying, delivering emergency briefings etc. One of them asked how long we’d be closed - I responded with “possibly around 3 months”, she left the meeting immediately in tears. We all think our jobs could be at risk soon.


Hope you are okay :) 



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Sevendust
18 March 2020 09:20:20

My daughter has just confirmed that her other half is in self isolation - sore throat, cough and temperature so quite likely CV. I know of a few people now who may have the virus. I guess it is widespread

Gavin D
18 March 2020 09:20:24

'There’s A Lot Of Covid-19 In Westminster' Says Virus-Hit Academic Who Was With PM Days Ago


 


 


An infectious disease expert who has been advising Boris Johnson and the government is now self isolating after developing symptoms of coronavirus. Confirming the news on Twitter, Professor Neil Ferguson said that coronavirus is rife in Westminster.


Ferguson, the director of J-IDEA and the MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis, posted on Wednesday: “Developed a slight dry but persistent cough yesterday and self isolated even though I felt fine. Then developed high fever at 4am today.” “There is a lot of Covid-19 in Westminster,” he added.


 


Huff post link

Gavin D
18 March 2020 09:27:45

16 areas in England remain with just 1 confirmed case



  1. Redcar and Cleveland 

  2. Darlington

  3. Blackburn with Darwen

  4. Kingston upon Hull, City of

  5. North Lincolnshire

  6. Herefordshire, County of

  7. Thurrock

  8. County Durham

  9. Bedford

  10. Knowsley

  11. Rotherham

  12. Sheffield

  13. Sunderland

  14. Solihull

  15. Kingston upon Thames

  16. Worcestershire


Hampshire remains the current hotspot with 69 confirmed cases



  1. Hampshire: 69

  2. Southwark: 58

  3. Westminster: 58

  4. Kensington and Chelsea: 49

  5. Lambeth: 43

  6. Hertfordshire: 36

  7. Surrey: 30

  8. Oxfordshire: 25

  9. Barnet: 24

  10. Brent: 24

Heavy Weather 2013
18 March 2020 09:27:56


 


Thanks for asking mate. :-) 


I’m feeling a tiny bit calmer now my grandad’s funeral is out of the way. I had the hardest day of my entire career yesterday - single handedly managing a team of 30, closing down the office, a few of them were crying, delivering emergency briefings etc. One of them asked how long we’d be closed - I responded with “possibly around 3 months”, she left the meeting immediately in tears. We all think our jobs could be at risk soon.


Hope you are okay :) 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Joe, I am so so sorry that you are having such a difficult time, especially when you lose a loved one. Its an immensely challenging period for all. Well done for managing your team with such care, It really isn't easy


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Brian Gaze
18 March 2020 09:30:03

London is clearly the fear. It could make Lombardy look like a teddy bear's picnic if a lockdown isn't imposed soon. I'm glad I live outside the M25 and north of it.


Prof Ferguson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme he developed symptoms on Tuesday and a high fever overnight - hours after attending a Downing Street press conference.


"Central London is really the kind of hotspot in the UK at the moment... still in Westminster, there is a lot," he said.


"It is becoming quite a widespread community infection especially in hotspots like London," he added.


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Heavy Weather 2013
18 March 2020 09:32:31


London is clearly the fear. It could make Lombardy look like a teddy bear's picnic if a lockdown isn't imposed soon. I'm glad I live outside the M25 and north of it.


Prof Ferguson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme he developed symptoms on Tuesday and a high fever overnight - hours after attending a Downing Street press conference.


"Central London is really the kind of hotspot in the UK at the moment... still in Westminster, there is a lot," he said.


"It is becoming quite a widespread community infection especially in hotspots like London," he added.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Correct Brian - I think that London will be the first place to be locked down. The queen is leaving London tomorrow and I suspect as I alluded to yesterday that London will have an enforced lockdown from Friday AM.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Justin W
18 March 2020 09:34:01

There is going to have to be a major crackdown because otherwise those who 'talk a good game' - utter tw4ts like Beast and one of my friends who said he was going to stop going to the pub and then went anyway 'because he felt fine' - will continue to do so.


These people don't care about the virus continuing to spread more quickly because of numbers circulating in pubs, clubs, etc. All they think about is that they are OK, their friends are OK and so there is no risk. They don't care about asymptomatic carriers, they don't care about the elderly and the vulnerable. All they care about is their own gratification. They will contort any argument to justify carrying on as normal while slagging off the Govt and others for not doing enough.


It makes me sick to the pit of my stomach, frankly. It is just about the most selfish act possible. It should be as socially unacceptable as drink driving but unfortunately there are plenty of red-faced pr1cks out there who are willing to tell the Daily Mail or Sky News that there is no danger from going to the pub.


To anybody who is doing this, I say this: Get this through your thick f5cking skull - it is not about you. It is about the continued circulation of the virus among medium to large size groups. By ignoring advice, you are potentially signing the death warrants of scores of vulnerable and elderly people. 


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Brian Gaze
18 March 2020 09:36:56


There is going to have to be a major crackdown because otherwise those who 'talk a good game' - utter tw4ts like Beast and one of my friends who said he was going to stop going to the pub and then went anyway 'because he felt fine' - will continue to do so.


These people don't care about the virus continuing to spread more quickly because of numbers circulating in pubs, clubs, etc. All they think about is that they are OK, their friends are OK and so there is no risk. They don't care about asymptomatic carriers, they don't care about the elderly and the vulnerable. All they care about is their own gratification. They will contort any argument to justify carrying on as normal while slagging off the Govt and others for not doing enough.


It makes me sick to the pit of my stomach, frankly. It is just about the most selfish act possible. It should be as socially unacceptable as drink driving but unfortunately there are plenty of red-faced pr1cks out there who are willing to tell the Daily Mail or Sky News that there is no danger from going to the pub.


To anybody who is doing this, I say this: Get this through your thick f5cking skull - it is not about you. It is about the continued circulation of the virus among medium to large size groups. By ignoring advice, you are potentially signing the death warrants of scores of vulnerable and elderly people. 


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


 Top post.


Edit: I see that idiot Tim Martin is basically encouraging people to keep going to the pub.


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