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Ally Pally Snowman
12 May 2020 19:27:11


12z is absolutely horrendous.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


 


ECM and others are absolutely stunning for May so hopefully it's just the GFS having a mare.


 


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tierradelfuego
12 May 2020 19:30:40


 Yes it was moomin's word I should have quoted; we have our own interpretations after all.


Originally Posted by: SJV 


That would be one way of putting it 



The 12z op isn't all that great but personally I wouldn't go as far as to call it horrendous. The GEFS on the whole are encouraging enough this evening and I don't have any concerns. The MetO further outlook is also encouraging today.


Originally Posted by: SJV 


Totally agreed, and as per Brian's (IIRC) post in the Media thread re: the ECM32, the overall picture points a positive way.



My comment was referencing the op going out on a limb post 21 May, using Moomin's term 


Originally Posted by: SJV 


Yup, I hear you...


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moomin75
13 May 2020 06:11:14
I will tone down my language in assessing the 0z but at day ten, GFS whips up quite a storm in the south. This is a worrying trend with trees in full leaf by now, could be quite significant. Thankfully, it's at day 10, but GFS has shown this twice in the last three runs now, so needs watching.
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13 May 2020 06:46:27

http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/temp4 gets rid of all the 'blue' for the first time this year in week 2 and moves the 'yellows'up into central Europe. Some substantial rain also sown on the companion site for week 2 in the NW of UK. Jetstream stays away from UK until Sat 16th after which resumes first W-E across UK then stronger from the SW in pulses through to Wed 27th


GFS brings the current HP south; centre still N of UK until Fri with E-lies but by Mon 18th further S with zonal flow across UK. The LP on the Atlantic responsible for maintaining this flow splits off a small but intense secondary (990 mb Wales) on Sat 23rd (cf Moomin's post above). Once this is through HP exerts increasing control through to Fri 29th, its position generates SW-lies at first, NW-lies later, but all sourced from mid-Atlantic so mild.


GEFS temps back to seasonal norm by Sun 17th and not far from norm through to Fri 29th, if anything a bit above at first and a bit below later. Dry at first, rain  quite general from Thu 21st, in small amounts for England but in Scotland & NI rather greater.  No consensus on any special event for the 23rd as suggested above.


ECM as GFS for this week but much less zonal from 18th, minimal activity on Atlantic and HP centred over UK by Wed 20th with warm S-lies


 


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Rob K
13 May 2020 07:39:33
A much less warm and settled set of GEFS this morning with the average to slightly below cluster now predominating over the warmer runs.

Also the temps seem to have been toned down significantly for the next few days. Back down to 13C tomorrow when a couple of days ago we were expecting high teens, and only 17-18C over the weekend instead of the previously forecast 21-22.
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moomin75
13 May 2020 08:07:07

A much less warm and settled set of GEFS this morning with the average to slightly below cluster now predominating over the warmer runs.

Also the temps seem to have been toned down significantly for the next few days. Back down to 13C tomorrow when a couple of days ago we were expecting high teens, and only 17-18C over the weekend instead of the previously forecast 21-22.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Yes a concerning trend as I suggested yesterday. ECM and UKMO still holding firm so far, but you just know they will back away and something between the two will end up as the likely outcome.


Longer term is looking increasingly disturbed and Matt Hugo has been tweeting that this is exactly what he has been expecting.


As ever, more runs will be needed, but nothing is ever simple in the UK.


 


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13 May 2020 09:09:46

A much less warm and settled set of GEFS this morning with the average to slightly below cluster now predominating over the warmer runs.

Also the temps seem to have been toned down significantly for the next few days. Back down to 13C tomorrow when a couple of days ago we were expecting high teens, and only 17-18C over the weekend instead of the previously forecast 21-22.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


BBC/Meteogroup remaining optimistic for those 20+ C temps for weekend and early next week


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moomin75
13 May 2020 10:28:55

GFS is sticking to its theme of quite a potent system coming in the 7-10 day time frame. Looks like it has grabbed onto this trend and is running with it. Will be very interesting to watch ECM/UKMO to see if they back track to show something similar. I feel that they will.


 


Edit. But as has been noted below, it zips the low through really quickly and on a different track, so affecting the north more than the south on this run.


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Sharp Green Fox
13 May 2020 10:43:34

 In GFS 06 the speed in which the low develops over the 24 hours 20th May to 21st May is very pronounced. GFS 12 less so. Should be a very interesting few days. 

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13 May 2020 12:38:33

We're making the old TWO mistake of worrying about events at 240hrs and not looking forward to what happens in the first week, where all models suggest it remaining very dry, generally sunny and with temperatures rising gently up to the mid 20s. Even G 12z yesterday had that.


From around 180hrs we start to get divergence depending on how far a slingshot Atlantic system makes its way across us. Until then it's looking good. I keep telling myself to be optimistic and not worry too much about FI.


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Gusty
13 May 2020 18:46:36

You can always tell when summer is approaching. The prophet of doom Moom pops in  on his daily quest for unseasonably miserable weather...its the last thing we need to read with the current dire UK situation. 


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Joe Bloggs
13 May 2020 18:49:29

Lovely ECM right out to T+192 - very settled. 



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Joe Bloggs
13 May 2020 18:50:56

.... and turning very warm by t+216. 


 


https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_216_2.png


 



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Brian Gaze
13 May 2020 18:57:17

First genuine blowtorch feed I've seen this season.  


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/ecmwf.aspx?run=12&charthour=240&chartname=mslp850&chartregion=na&charttag=MSLP%20850hPa%20C



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Ally Pally Snowman
13 May 2020 18:57:42


.... and turning very warm by t+216. 


 


https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_216_2.png


 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


 


Yes lovely stuff probably approaching 30c in the SE


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13 May 2020 18:58:44
The Met Office were making May sound almost like a washout in their long range a few days ago, instead we have a third desperately dry month which is going to be highly damaging to crops sown in the spring because autumn sowing period was too wet!
I've never seen so little grass here at mid-May due to drought and easterly cold periods with regular frosts.
A lot of cattle still not out there is just nothing there to eat.
Brian Gaze
13 May 2020 19:08:11

I'm running a very short Twitter poll this evening:




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Devonian
13 May 2020 19:17:20

The Met Office were making May sound almost like a washout in their long range a few days ago, instead we have a third desperately dry month which is going to be highly damaging to crops sown in the spring because autumn sowing period was too wet!
I've never seen so little grass here at mid-May due to drought and easterly cold periods with regular frosts.
A lot of cattle still not out there is just nothing there to eat.

Originally Posted by: four 


Get used to such things, I doubt many of us will see enough rain this growing season and the chances of a cold wet summer are zero.


But Devon has had some rain and grass is fairly plentiful.


 

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13 May 2020 19:22:02


First genuine blowtorch feed I've seen this season.  


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/ecmwf.aspx?run=12&charthour=240&chartname=mslp850&chartregion=na&charttag=MSLP%20850hPa%20C



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

That’s the colour I chose in the opinion poll Brian!  I particularly like the colouring over the UK on that one though!  


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Rob K
13 May 2020 19:24:57


We're making the old TWO mistake of worrying about events at 240hrs and not looking forward to what happens in the first week, where all models suggest it remaining very dry, generally sunny and with temperatures rising gently up to the mid 20s. Even G 12z yesterday had that.


From around 180hrs we start to get divergence depending on how far a slingshot Atlantic system makes its way across us. Until then it's looking good. I keep telling myself to be optimistic and not worry too much about FI.


Originally Posted by: TimS 


I hope that’s the case but I’ve already seen the warmth predicted for the second half of this week evaporate. Still a max of 14C tomorrow which is rather poor as it was meant to be up to 19-20C by then according to the forecast a few days ago. Hopefully tomorrow night will see the last frost and I can actually get some more things planted out. 


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14 May 2020 07:03:08

 


GFS: HP still trundling S and linking up wit Azores high to provide mild SW airflow by Sun 17th. For the following week the HP re-invents itself as a ridge over the N Sea which with LP on the Atlantic gives generally S-ly winds. The model is still running with a small intense LP coming in from the Atlantic on Sat 23rd but doesn't last with large area of HP positioned over S England for the following week, though declining and pulling back to the SW by the end of the week (Sat 30th)


GEFS: as yesterday, temps back to seasonal norm by Sun 17th and not far from that through to Sat 30th, though a bit warmer at first and a bit cooler later. Small amounts of rain on and off in the S from Thu 21st but in Scotland and NE England from Sun 17th (though nothing as dramatic as implied by the synoptics above for the 23rd)


ECM similar to GFS with exceptions: the narrow ridge over the N Sea after Sun 17th is predicted to be a larger area of HP, and the disturbance on Sat 23rd stays offshore and runs N-wards towards Iceland rather than affecting S England.


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AOrnstin
14 May 2020 08:21:08

Newbie here-although have been following these discussions for well over a year, and find them, and also Dew's analyses, very instructive.


On whole weather looks very good for next week, maybe more. Focusing on the intense low pressure shown on GFS for 22 May. Rather strange (I am not saying unprecedented!) to see such an intense feature at this time of year. May well be downgraded in time. As it travels over Southern England the low then fills significantly. ECM has very different solution to this (as pointed by DEW).

Osprey
14 May 2020 09:24:14
Plumin marvellous gfs my ole cocksparrow.... Usually we have thunderstorms after that! But who knows?
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Rob K
14 May 2020 09:46:54
ECM looking pretty settled and warm too, although the winds turn increasingly easterly which may not please those on North Sea coasts.
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Saint Snow
14 May 2020 10:16:09

ECM looking pretty settled and warm too, although the winds turn increasingly easterly which may not please those on North Sea coasts.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Whereas in this neck of the woods.... 



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