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fairweather
31 March 2020 22:54:09


Lying is a strong accusation which you cannot possibly substantiate. Lying implies a deliberate attempt to deceive. I'm apolitcal and I don't think for one minute think they're lying. If you lie you get caught out.


One can see that the govt doesn't always have up to date facts/figures/data and that is a failing, but it's not a deception, and they seem prepared to accept that the information they've previously given may not have been correct.


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


Basically the Government is effectively pretending to tell the truth. They have a track record (The bus!) By that I mean it thinks it is the truth because it believes that saying what it believes in is the truth. Like large parts of the public here and around they have forgotten what the truth is, and frankly if they say it enough it appears to miraculously be seen as the truth by the public.


The truth may be a concept but a fact is better than that. It is something that can be proved as accurate by current evidence.


There is no evidence that we are testing the numbers we said we would, there is no evidence that we are testing more than other EU countries (Johnson quote) there is no evidence the infection rate data is accurate and there is no evidence that front line NHS workers are all receiving PPE.


In most people's judgement that should be deemed a lie, unintentional or not.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
The Beast from the East
31 March 2020 23:01:36


 


I'm concerned that elements in the Tory Party are starting to worry about money more than life.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 



Is the Pope a Catholic?


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
John Mason
31 March 2020 23:12:53


 


I'm concerned that elements in the Tory Party are starting to worry about money more than life.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Bears? Shitting in woods? I don;t get why you seem surprised!

Gandalf The White
31 March 2020 23:16:04


 


Basically the Government is effectively pretending to tell the truth. They have a track record (The bus!) By that I mean it thinks it is the truth because it believes that saying what it believes in is the truth. Like large parts of the public here and around they have forgotten what the truth is, and frankly if they say it enough it appears to miraculously be seen as the truth by the public.


The truth may be a concept but a fact is better than that. It is something that can be proved as accurate by current evidence.


There is no evidence that we are testing the numbers we said we would, there is no evidence that we are testing more than other EU countries (Johnson quote) there is no evidence the infection rate data is accurate and there is no evidence that front line NHS workers are all receiving PPE.


In most people's judgement that should be deemed a lie, unintentional or not.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


The bus had nothing to do with the government.


But I’m sure you know this.


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Roger Parsons
01 April 2020 04:57:40


LOL. Rather more direct than my attempt!


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Source was the Independent, Gandalf - I wonder where they got it - it's not like them to invent stuff.


We had a water issue this week and Anglian Water were pretty quick to respond.


R.


RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Lionel Hutz
01 April 2020 05:40:07


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/31/boy-13-die-london-after-testing-positive-for-coronavirus?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


This is sad. 


But the fact he died without his family being at his side makes it so unimaginable. It’s one of the first stories from this crisis that has pretty much brought me to tears. He must have been so frightened. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Agreed. One of those stories which you try to put out of your mind the minute you read it. 


Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



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