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Brian Gaze
01 April 2020 21:09:19

 


Just becuase he's a Dr. doesn't mean he's not a pillock !


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 



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Darren S
01 April 2020 21:11:22


 


 


West Berks was the same Darren, today. A comparatively sizable increase albeit from a small base number, although nowhere near tripled tbh. I wonder how it works though in terms of the figures. If someone from Wokingham or a village near Newbury, as we are, was admitted to hospital, surely they would be admitted to the RBH in Reading and then fall under the Reading numbers, or do they take the data based on home address?


Originally Posted by: tierradelfuego 


On the grounds that Wokingham doesn't have a hospital (ours is the Royal Berks, and that's the same for the whole borough), it must be by home address.


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Brian Gaze
01 April 2020 21:19:01

Tomorrow's Torygraph tears into the government. (Click for full size image))



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Darren S
01 April 2020 21:19:09


 


Hi Gavin. I know it will be very low but are you able to put a percentage of death as part of the population in that region. Wondered though certain areas might be low, as a % of their own base they were higher than the larger regions?


Originally Posted by: Phil G 



  • London - 727 (81.61 deaths per million)



  • Midlands - 437 (40.82 deaths per million)



  • South East - 251 (27.48 deaths per million)



  • North West - 211 (28.94 deaths per million)



  • North East and Yorkshire - 211  (25.93 deaths per million)



  • East of England - 178 (28.71 deaths per million)



  • South West - 121 (21.61 deaths per million)


Based on population figures here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_England


Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
Phil G
01 April 2020 21:28:00


 



  • London - 727 (81.61 deaths per million)



  • Midlands - 437 (40.82 deaths per million)



  • South East - 251 (27.48 deaths per million)



  • North West - 211 (28.94 deaths per million)



  • North East and Yorkshire - 211  (25.93 deaths per million)



  • East of England - 178 (28.71 deaths per million)



  • South West - 121 (21.61 deaths per million)


Based on population figures here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_England


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Thanks Darren. Sure a number of analysts could make better comments than me on these figures, but the standout to my untrained eye is not surprisingly London. Some serious measures need to occur here.

tierradelfuego
01 April 2020 21:28:09


 


On the grounds that Wokingham doesn't have a hospital (ours is the Royal Berks, and that's the same for the whole borough), it must be by home address.


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Certainly my thoughts for the same reason. Makes you think what happens if you happened say to be in Scotland or Wales at the time given the separate figures. Not that it matters given the horrible situation of course.


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Rob K
01 April 2020 21:32:00




Originally Posted by: John p 


So we still have another two weeks of pre-lockdown infection coming down the pike. Great. 


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Darren S
01 April 2020 21:34:23


 



  • London - 727 (81.61 deaths per million)



  • Midlands - 437 (40.82 deaths per million)



  • South East - 251 (27.48 deaths per million)



  • North West - 211 (28.94 deaths per million)



  • North East and Yorkshire - 211  (25.93 deaths per million)



  • East of England - 178 (28.71 deaths per million)



  • South West - 121 (21.61 deaths per million)


Based on population figures here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_England


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


For completeness:



  • Scotland- 60 (11.03 deaths per million)

  • Wales - 98 (31.22 deaths per million)

  • Northern Ireland - 28 (14.88 deaths per million)


Wales higher than most other English regions, but Scotland and NI considerably lower. Maybe the populations there are less likely to go skiing in Italy or on overseas business travel?


 


Darren
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South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
Gavin D
01 April 2020 21:36:51
Spain's 24hr update reports 6,256 new cases and 667 new deaths

Both down on the same 24hr period to last night

New cases down 1,711

New deaths down 81
Phil G
01 April 2020 21:36:54


 


For completeness:



  • Scotland- 60 (11.03 deaths per million)

  • Wales - 98 (31.22 deaths per million)

  • Northern Ireland - 28 (14.88 deaths per million)


Wales higher than most other English regions, but Scotland and NI considerably lower. Maybe the populations there are less likely to go skiing in Italy or on overseas business travel?


 


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Or keep themselves to themselves.

howham
01 April 2020 21:38:59


 


Or keep themselves to themselves.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


I think the lockdown has kicked in comparatively earlier in the curve here in Scotland.  We were already further behind other parts of the UK I suspect.

bowser
01 April 2020 21:42:14


Tomorrow's Torygraph tears into the government. (Click for full size image))



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Sounds like a mess. Some departments / public bodies sound like they are barely functioning, but the buck stops at the government either way. Only caveat is that similar challenges are evident elsewhere.


 

bowser
01 April 2020 21:43:24


 


I think the lockdown has kicked in comparatively earlier in the curve here in Scotland.  We were already further behind other parts of the UK I suspect.


Originally Posted by: howham 


that was my understanding too. I feel relatively safe here - the biggest risk is actually getting food.

JHutch
01 April 2020 21:48:54


 


For completeness:



  • Scotland- 60 (11.03 deaths per million)

  • Wales - 98 (31.22 deaths per million)

  • Northern Ireland - 28 (14.88 deaths per million)


Wales higher than most other English regions, but Scotland and NI considerably lower. Maybe the populations there are less likely to go skiing in Italy or on overseas business travel?


 


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


I think Wales' high figure is largely due to SE Wales (Aneurin Bevan Health Board). Several factors there, not sure about the being close to England one - if the cases are spreading out from London then they seem to have missed places like yours...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52093126


 

Bugglesgate
01 April 2020 21:53:22


 


that was my understanding too. I feel relatively safe here - the biggest risk is actually getting food.


Originally Posted by: bowser 


 


That seems to have eased down here.  On Monday I popped into the local Budgens  as I was getting  fuel and there was plenty of everything - except bog rolls.  I've   even managed to get a Tesco delivery slot for 17th April ........ yes, I know, Waitrose it ain't ........but any port in a storm


While on the subject Waitrose Delivers ...... doesn't.   Their Web site seems  to have been permanently broken since the Corona Virus hit town.


 


 


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xioni2
01 April 2020 22:03:01

Updated plots 



 

Gandalf The White
01 April 2020 22:06:32


 


 


That seems to have eased down here.  On Monday I popped into the local Budgens  as I was getting  fuel and there was plenty of everything - except bog rolls.  I've   even managed to get a Tesco delivery slot for 17th April ........ yes, I know, Waitrose it ain't ........but any port in a storm


While on the subject Waitrose Delivers ...... doesn't.   Their Web site seems  to have been permanently broken since the Corona Virus hit town.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


I think he problem is a deeper one: if/when this pandemic extends its reach and effects the risk of interruption to food imports grows. We are heavily dependent on imports and if the exporting countries see availability dropping they will prioritise their domestic needs. Further, ordinarily as we move into spring and summer UK supplies become more significant but we are seeing problems with finding sufficient labour to pick the crops. We have relied on cheap foreign workers but a perfect storm of Brexit and now closed borders are making this almost impossible.


That idiot adviser in government who said we don't need an agricultural sector here should be in hiding by now. It seemed daft when he said it; now it looks downright dangerous and reckless.


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xioni2
01 April 2020 22:08:56

As the guy who plots the data says:



  • London now has more deaths than Wuhan at the same stage of the epidemic 

  • New York has now become the global epicentre

glenogle
01 April 2020 22:10:22


 


So we still have another two weeks of pre-lockdown infection coming down the pike. Great. 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Not quite. Once you get it, it takes about a week to die, so theoretically another week until the "true" infection peak (numbers may keep rising beyond as testing increases) and then another week until deaths start to decline.


So, it will be interesting to see how our numbers respond if there is an increase in testing following our 2nd week of lockdown.


I'm not sure how long a person remains contagious for once they have came down with the illness??


I guess lockdown restrictions would be lifted at march 24th plus 2weeks plus time contagious?


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Gandalf The White
01 April 2020 22:29:45


 


Not quite. Once you get it, it takes about a week to die, so theoretically another week until the "true" infection peak (numbers may keep rising beyond as testing increases) and then another week until deaths start to decline.


So, it will be interesting to see how our numbers respond if there is an increase in testing following our 2nd week of lockdown.


I'm not sure how long a person remains contagious for once they have came down with the illness??


I guess lockdown restrictions would be lifted at march 24th plus 2weeks plus time contagious?


Originally Posted by: glenogle 


I think that's optimistic.  The incubation period can be two weeks and then another 7-14 days whilst the body fights the infection or you don't make it, so I think that takes you to mid-April, give or take.  Then I think you need a period with the pressure off the NHS, to give the overworked staff a chance to rest/recover. It also give more time for restocking supplies and sourcing more equipment where needed. Then you're still dependent on stepping up testing because the virus will still be out there, circulating in asymptomatic patients and those wth mild symptoms.


I hope you're OK, by the way.


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glenogle
01 April 2020 22:51:31
I was just basing it on the average 23days from contraction to death that gavin (I think) posted earlier. I agree the virus will still be out there and there will no doubt be periods of smaller spikes (I think an initial larger spike due to mass gatherings of people making up for lost socialising).
Interesting theory about keeping us in lockdown longer to let others catch up or get a rest.
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Darren S
01 April 2020 22:57:55

April Fool?


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8175471/British-American-Tobacco-working-COVID-19-vaccine-using-tobacco-leaves.html


Darren
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South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
glenogle
01 April 2020 23:08:35


Apparently not.  Info was released on BaT website and kbp do medicinal work with tobacco plants


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Gandalf The White
01 April 2020 23:36:57


No, MM and I commented on it earlier - around 19.30.


BAT trying to ensure it has a future beyond setting fire to dry leaves.


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01 April 2020 23:57:17

Apologies if anyone has posted a link like this but I find this chart useful


https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-deaths-days-since-per-million?country=CHN+USA+GBR+ITA+KOR+SWE+CAN


Cumulative deaths/million for some of the countries often talked about. It's a log chart - if you make it linear then Italy really does look bad.



Didn't you see this article from Sweden I posted the other day - there has been a leak of government information which is quite alarming - use google translate:


https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/BRK34E/sa-ska-stockholm-hantera-overfulla-sjukhus--om-en-vecka

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


MM - hadn't read that, I don't always check this thread that carefully, you guys post too fast! . But I think your link really shows what I am saying, that Sweden is having a big disagreement/panic about its rather maverick policies and is definitely one to watch. The current data from that graph seems to show Sweden tracking the UK reasonably closely, which does not look great. Problem as usual is interpreting what that really means - is this in spite of or because of their approach?


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