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Heavy Weather 2013
02 April 2020 17:07:58
Hancock lying again. Saying he believes we were well prepared.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Joe Bloggs
02 April 2020 17:15:13
Really interesting report on the BBC News at Six right now.

Fergus Walsh just took one of the antibody tests, after having no symptoms whatsoever.

Came back positive.

Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL

Gooner
02 April 2020 17:22:46

Really interesting report on the BBC News at Six right now.

Fergus Walsh just took one of the antibody tests, after having no symptoms whatsoever.

Came back positive.

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Doesn't fill me with confidence 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Whether Idle
02 April 2020 17:28:01

It is obvious that we need someone to blame as the death toll rises, we cannot really criticised virus. I suspect the other European and N American countries are doing the same as the death toll follows the same trend and pattern.

As ever hindsight will show what worked and what didn’t.

The delay between infection and death will mean any indication of effectiveness of current measures and assessment of the current situation will be reflected in the statistics in around three weeks time.

Our current situation is only possibly a judgement of the situation around three weeks ago.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


I reject this analysis  entirely, without apology.


The facts are the government knew the virus was coming, back in January, if not before.


They did almost nothing to ramp up preparations until March 11th-12th.


They sat on their hands while focussing on Brexit, they, the cabinet, led by Johnson, were far more concerned about getting Ben Ben to chime for their masturbatory celebrations than in preparing for the coming storm.


What angers me more than anything is the complete lack of honesty from them subsequently, the inability to admit mistakes, the evasion of questions, the moral cowardice of those that realise they are culpable.


I resent your false assertion that "people" need someone to blame.


Blame lies entirely with those in responsibility, the government, for their criminal lack of preparation while they slapped themselves on the back for their election victory.


 


 


 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
westv
02 April 2020 17:31:36

So will anybody be taking part in this evenings second "clap"? Apparently it now includes "key workers".


Not really my sort of thing but if others want to then fine by me.


At least it will be mild!
Joe Bloggs
02 April 2020 17:32:09


 


Doesn't fill me with confidence 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Why? 


It could well be the case that vast numbers of people have had the virus already. 



Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL

RobN
  • RobN
  • Advanced Member
02 April 2020 17:39:39


 


Why? 


It could well be the case that vast numbers of people have had the virus already. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


If there is no other way of verifying whether someone has been infected by coronavirus then how do you know the test is not giving a false positive for coronavirus antibodies?


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
Heavy Weather 2013
02 April 2020 17:40:25


 


Why? 


It could well be the case that vast numbers of people have had the virus already. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


I guess it could also be showing a false positive. I know there was talk a couple of weeks back saying the Spanish bought a load of these tests and they were proved to be useless.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Gooner
02 April 2020 17:41:07


 


Why? 


It could well be the case that vast numbers of people have had the virus already. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Rob N beat me to it 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
02 April 2020 17:42:13

20c in the South and SE on Sunday 


Watch the people hit the parks 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Phil G
02 April 2020 17:42:21
Hancock seemed under pressure, as you can imagine. There was one moment when talking about the NHS he seemed quite emotional.
When we stand on the doorsteps tonight, yes I'll be thinking about our workers, but also those who are dying while we stand there and those more in future that will die.
I hate seeing this blame game. In these unprecedented times, all I can see is people coming and working together. We will get on top of this.
The 'problem' is if you like is those in charge around the world where you can see proactivity against reactivity and I know where we fit in.
I do wonder how we would have reacted if there were reports of a 50% death rate coming out of China 3 months ago. You would have hoped we would have shut down all borders immediately.
While there will be many more deaths with Cov19, we could have 'got out of jail' because if the 'big one' had hit us, we would never have recovered from that.
Boy do we need a proactive plan for the future. The threat should be treated just the same as nuclear conditions.
westv
02 April 2020 17:44:22


20c in the South and SE on Sunday 


Watch the people hit the parks 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


As long as they more than 2m apart then that's within the current rules.


At least it will be mild!
Gavin D
02 April 2020 17:46:29

France


2,116 new cases and 471 new deaths


 


New cases in France



  • 24 hours - down by 2,745

  • 48 hours - down by 5,462

springsunshine
02 April 2020 17:46:31


For the last few days, I've been encouraged by a local populus respecting the situation. The roads have been almost as quiet as on snow days and I've barely seen anybody outside. Today, this seems to be changing and I can actually hear the traffic on the M3 sounding as if all were normal. Trucks and cars seem to be passing by more frequently, almost as if the lockdown is coming to an end and I am really concerned. BJ's team did warn of people wearing out their ability to maintain for long enough. 


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


I to have noticed a gradual upstick of traffic this week,maybe the panic buyers have run out of food.As you say people will only tolerate being couped up like chickens for so long.With the weather set to dramatically warm up and especially after such a prolonged wet autumn and winter the frustration imo will boil over. The lockdown should be eased slightly to allow people to enjoy some time outdoors whilst still maintaining strict social distancing.The longer the current situation goes on the more problems there will be.

Brian Gaze
02 April 2020 17:48:14


 


Why? 


It could well be the case that vast numbers of people have had the virus already. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


1 in 60 houses on our street have reported Corona virus. We're in commuter belt Herts with people who take more than average numbers of holidays. 


Brian Gaze
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Joe Bloggs
02 April 2020 17:48:18


 


Rob N beat me to it 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Alternatively it could be accurate and many people will be surprised when they receive a positive result. 

We still don’t know the extent of asymptomatic cases. 



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Heavy Weather 2013
02 April 2020 17:56:56


 


I to have noticed a gradual upstick of traffic this week,maybe the panic buyers have run out of food.As you say people will only tolerate being couped up like chickens for so long.With the weather set to dramatically warm up and especially after such a prolonged wet autumn and winter the frustration imo will boil over. The lockdown should be eased slightly to allow people to enjoy some time outdoors whilst still maintaining strict social distancing.The longer the current situation goes on the more problems there will be.


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


Yes, let’s ease the social distancing rules just as we hit the most critical time so everyone can have a jolly. Of you ease them everyone will think it’s ok to socialise togeather.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
xioni2
02 April 2020 18:00:03

I think the antibodies test will be a great tool, but it won't be a panacea. Let's say we had right now 70 million reliable (>99% accuracy) antibody tests and everybody was tested today. Those testing positive would get passes and could go back to normal, but if the vast majority tested negative, what do we do then? Keep testing all of these people weekly?


We need much more testing for the NHS staff (all those isolating should be tested) and also to start testing in the population again. Widespread testing should only be part of the solution though, contact tracing and isolation of positives is the most important aspect and this is what Asian countries (including China) have done so successfully. The lockdown should be used to buy us time and do this, otherwise the lockdown will last much longer or repeated and the impacts on the economy and the psychology of people will be really bad.

RobN
  • RobN
  • Advanced Member
02 April 2020 18:18:46

The Guardian on Bolsonaro - Beast's "let-it-rip" hero


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/02/brazil-message-world-our-president-wrong-coronavirus-jair-bolsonaro


 


 


 


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
Gavin D
02 April 2020 18:25:10
France have reported an additional 884 deaths from people who have died in nursing homes

RobN
  • RobN
  • Advanced Member
02 April 2020 18:33:39

France have reported an additional 884 deaths from people who have died in nursing homes

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Yes the daily totals by many countries have been excluding deaths outside hospitals


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52094491


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
springsunshine
02 April 2020 18:40:33


 


Yes, let’s ease the social distancing rules just as we hit the most critical time so everyone can have a jolly. Of you ease them everyone will think it’s ok to socialise togeather.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


The reality is there is going to be NO vaccine available for a year to 18 months at the best and there is the possibility there won`t be one so we are going to have to learn to live with this virus,it isn`t going away its here to stay hopefully not as virulent as it presently is and the more we understand it the more we can reduce its spread and rate of infection.Keeping us in lockdown indefinatly is not an option,we have to a find a way out.

Gandalf The White
02 April 2020 18:41:29


 


Yes, let’s ease the social distancing rules just as we hit the most critical time so everyone can have a jolly. Of you ease them everyone will think it’s ok to socialise togeather.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Yes, it would work with common sense and self-restraint but based on the recent evidence that's an issue for a sizeable minority.


How could it be policed anyway: you could have a group of 3 or 4 adults and some children who happen to live in the same house and another group of identical composition that is from three different homes.


So what's the answer?  At some point the rules will have to be relaxed. Will that point come before June or not?


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Gooner
02 April 2020 18:48:30


 


As long as they more than 2m apart then that's within the current rules.


Originally Posted by: westv 


Well obviously but I doubt that would happen if the masses get out , I also saw a report that claimed that the 2 metre rule might not be enough 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
02 April 2020 18:53:29


 


Yes, it would work with common sense and self-restraint but based on the recent evidence that's an issue for a sizeable minority.


How could it be policed anyway: you could have a group of 3 or 4 adults and some children who happen to live in the same house and another group of identical composition that is from three different homes.


So what's the answer?  At some point the rules will have to be relaxed. Will that point come before June or not?


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


That's the trouble as you have said , in fact common sense is in short supply in the UK .


Yes it does have to be relaxed but if we are honest its only just started , I think Summer holidays are gone if I'm honest .


Wimbledon wouldn't have cancelled this years tournament without taking advice and the same for Horse Racing


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


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