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Polar Low
08 April 2020 18:24:34

Believe it or not China are not good at copying things that really matter and have been trying for many years like twt for defence helix for defence for aircraft iot for broadcast high power magnetrons for cancer machines all of which are just a few with the former 95% British domination.


They buy but can’t copy the secrets of the procedures and frequencies.


 


Uk USA German domination  




 


I estimate that it would take upwards of five years to remove our dependency on Chinese factories. Even then there's a problem with accessing components and raw materials because it would be naive to expect China not to 'run interference' to stop its export markets becoming self-sufficient or sourcing from 'friendly nations'. I wouldn't put it last the Chinese to use their geopolitical presence and growing military might to make life difficult.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Saint Snow
08 April 2020 18:25:56

More and more reports from tourist hotspots, especially in Cornwall & Devon, that scumbags are arriving at their second homes for Easter.


Hearing that some councils have set up hotlines UK report these self-entitled arseholes.


Let's hope the cash-starved public purse reaps some money before sending them back. Pity they can't confiscate the homes and give them to local people priced out of ownership.


 



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doctormog
08 April 2020 18:32:11


in all my time on Picu M waiting for a new heart with my boy I never known that situation M


 


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Yes, and that would make perfect sense in that situation. Children are different and certain situations can be managed in a different way. I may be wrong about Boris but I believe it could be an possibility. I don’t think I have come across it with children. 


(P.S. Just ignore me anyway, I don’t want to argue with you on this issue and you could very well be right. )


Gandalf The White
08 April 2020 18:32:36


 


I really can't believe you are serious. The western way of life is sustained by goods supplied by China at lower cost than we could possibly make them. China's manufacturing capacity has been built up over decades and we can't replace it overnight or in the foreseeable future. Even if we could the goods would be at vastly higher cost.  You are in cloud cuckoo land.


Originally Posted by: RobN 


We could start by questioning the sense and viability of 'the western way of life' if it's reduced to a dependency on cheap imported goods. 


This pandemic offers a golden opportunity to reevaluate. I'd say 'once in a generation' but it's more signficnant even than that.  A realisation that we are doing ourselves no favours in having a growing and sustained addiction to imported consumer goods is overdue. 


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Gandalf The White
08 April 2020 18:36:36


Believe it or not China are not good at copying things that really matter and have been trying for many years like twt for defence helix for defence for aircraft iot for broadcast high power magnetrons for cancer machines all of which are just a few with the former 95% British domination.


They buy but can’t copy the secrets of the procedures and frequencies.


 


Uk USA German domination  


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


But they've been very shrewd, and Western companies have been very naive, to insist on IPR transfer as the price of access to China's markets and manufacturing capability. When you can, in effect, extort other people's IPR you don't need to be great innovators.  But that's not to say that the Chinese are incapable of innovating because clearly they are.


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Chunky Pea
08 April 2020 18:39:33


We could start by questioning the sense and viability of 'the western way of life' if it's reduced to a dependency on cheap imported goods. 


This pandemic offers a golden opportunity to reevaluate. I'd say 'once in a generation' but it's more signficnant even than that.  A realisation that we are doing ourselves no favours in having a growing and sustained addiction to imported consumer goods is overdue. 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


In a way it is quite sad that Britain, once one of the leading manufacturing nations in the world, is now hugely dependent on the likes of China for goods (essential or not), and I would imagine that it is a similar story regarding the US. 


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Bugglesgate
08 April 2020 18:47:10


 


If it (the EU) survives this period. Spain, Italy and others are not happy.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


Indeed, the EU has made a right Horlicks of this and there is a lot of bad bloody as a result.


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Polar Low
08 April 2020 18:47:29

I worked for a big U.K. defence company e2v( calibration) before I looked after the school Peter for many years they have tried to be crafty many times and have come unstuck we used to do a gridded tube (vacuum tube) for example years ago which used to drive a laser machine they tried to copy many many times but got so desperate because we supplied them they ended up paying 3 million to move the U.K. facility just over the road.


some of the materials and procedures are secret and even then hard to repeat without expertise it’s hard to explain unless you have seen the wheels in motion.




 


But they've been very shrewd, and Western companies have been very naive, to insist on IPR transfer as the price of access to China's markets and manufacturing capability. When you can, in effect, extort other people's IPR you don't need to be great innovators.  But that's not to say that the Chinese are incapable of innovating because clearly they are.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Essan
08 April 2020 18:47:45


We could start by questioning the sense and viability of 'the western way of life' if it's reduced to a dependency on cheap imported goods. 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



Some of us have been saying that for a long time (albeit I admit a lot of what I buy comes from China).

No-one ever needs an iPhone.  No-one.  Ever  


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Gavin D
08 April 2020 18:49:58

Breakdown of the 201 deaths in London by NHS trust. The deaths were registered between March 23rd and April 7th and were all announced today.



  • King's College Hospital NHS Foundation Trust - 28 deaths (29/3 and 5/4)

  • London North West University Healthcare Trust - 26 deaths (29/3 and 7/4)

  • Royal Free London NHS Trust - 23 deaths (2/4 and 7/4)

  • Barts Health NHS Trust - 16 deaths (2/4 and 7/4)

  • The Hillingdon Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust: 14 deaths (28/3 and 7/4)

  • St George's University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - 13 deaths (4/4 and 6/4)

  • London North West University Healthcare Trust - 13 deaths (5/4 and 6/4)

  • Epsom and St Helier University Hospitals NHS Trust - 10 deaths (30/3 and 6/4)

  • North Middlesex University Hospital NHS Trust - 10 deaths (4/4 and 6/4)

  • Imperial College Healthcare Trust - 9 deaths (1/4 and 4/4)

  • Croydon Health Services NHS Trust - 8 deaths (5/4 and 7/4)

  • Chelsea and Westminster Hospital NHS Foundation Trust - 7 deaths (6/4 and 7/4)

  • Whittington Health NHS Trust - 5 deaths (4/4 and 6/4)

  • Homerton University Hospital Foundation Trust - 4 deaths (7/4)

  • Barking, Havering and Redbridge University Hospitals NHS Trust - 3 deaths (1/4 and 3/4)

  • Kingston Hospital NHS Foundation Hospital - 3 deaths (26/3 and 7/4)

  • University College London Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - 2 deaths (2/4 and 6/4)

  • East London NHS Foundation Trust - 2 deaths (3/4 and 5/4)

  • Royal Brompton and Harefield NHS Foundation Trust - 2 deaths (23/3 and 29/3)

  • Guy's and St Thomas' NHS Foundation Trust - 2 deaths (29/3 and 3/4)

  • The Royal Marsden NHS Foundation Trust - 1 death (6/4)

Lionel Hutz
08 April 2020 18:53:10


 


You really are a fan boy aren't you? 


They are unelected, simple. They have no mandate to enforce draconian measures like this. And have they really done any better than the Tories? In what way have they? 


And there is nothing 'cynical' about my suggestion. It is what it is. 


 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


laughing


Yes, but what is the alternative? Nobody can agree a government so should they just do nothing?


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Gandalf The White
08 April 2020 18:53:49


 


 


Indeed, the EU has made a right Horlicks of this and there is a lot of bad bloody as a result.


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


Given that the EU is not involved in the healthcare provision of member states can you explain in what way you think the EU 'has made a right horlicks' of dealing with Covid-19?


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Polar Low
08 April 2020 18:53:59

Other thing they try to do is buy copper already 2 largest after Chile so some of the U.K. and USA struggle for specialist copper for production military use.


 



 


But they've been very shrewd, and Western companies have been very naive, to insist on IPR transfer as the price of access to China's markets and manufacturing capability. When you can, in effect, extort other people's IPR you don't need to be great innovators.  But that's not to say that the Chinese are incapable of innovating because clearly they are.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Bugglesgate
08 April 2020 18:56:26


Here's the Telegraph's modelling of new cases. I'd be astounded, astonished, amazed if we have fewer than 100 cases each day by the end of the month!



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/08/long-do-lockdowns-last-countries-acted-fastest-could-freed-first/


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


I wouldn't be that surprise in all honesty, although I think it's  on the positive side of expectations.     It's in the nature of the  beast to have rapid spread in good conditions but rapid extinction if it can't spread fast enough to propagate its self. The question  has always been is the lock down  is good enough to  hit that threshold ?  Despite a few high profile numb skulls and people who think they are somehow special and  distancing doesn't  apply to them most people appear to have taken notice.


PS


Further  to Justin's comments early, I saw some geriatrics   playing improvised golf  on my walk - not much evidence of distancing going on !!  Not sure if they are "special" or "numb skulls".  


 


 


Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
Gandalf The White
08 April 2020 18:56:37


 


laughing


Yes, but what is the alternative? Nobody can agree a government so should they just do nothing?


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


CP measures everything against his Utopian ideals.  


I can only assume that he wouldn't actually advocate there being no measures whatsoever because that would be to consign tens of thousands of your fellow countrymen to a nasty death and the collapse of your healthcare system.


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Chunky Pea
08 April 2020 19:00:28


 


laughing


Yes, but what is the alternative? Nobody can agree a government so should they just do nothing?


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


If nobody agrees to a government then there should not be one. This is what the people voted for. Anything else is a dictatorship.


Time to fly the black flag. 


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Polar Low
08 April 2020 19:01:30

Take a look Peter we should be very proud, China no chance against these technologies And they don’t like it.


https://www.teledyne-e2v.com/markets/defence/


 


 


 


 

Lionel Hutz
08 April 2020 19:12:37


 


If nobody agrees to a government then there should not be one. This is what the people voted for. Anything else is a dictatorship.


Time to fly the black flag. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


No, it's not dictatorship. Varadkar is in power constitutionally- he remains leader until a new government is agreed. Nor did any of the other parties vote against his measures so it's perfectly democratic. 


Lionel Hutz
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Lionel Hutz
08 April 2020 19:14:16


 


CP measures everything against his Utopian ideals.  


I can only assume that he wouldn't actually advocate there being no measures whatsoever because that would be to consign tens of thousands of your fellow countrymen to a nasty death and the collapse of your healthcare system.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Agreed. Even if the current arrangement isn't ideal, to have no government and no measures at a time like this would be disastrous. They are only remaining in power on an emergency basis. 


Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



Bugglesgate
08 April 2020 19:16:47


I worked for a big U.K. defence company e2v( calibration) before I looked after the school Peter for many years they have tried to be crafty many times and have come unstuck we used to do a gridded tube (vacuum tube) for example years ago which used to drive a laser machine they tried to copy many many times but got so desperate because we supplied them they ended up paying 3 million to move the U.K. facility just over the road.


some of the materials and procedures are secret and even then hard to repeat without expertise it’s hard to explain unless you have seen the wheels in motion.


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


 


We use  e2V  (Formerly called English Electric valve Co) thyratrons   at out place.  Cost  £7K. last time I brought one  (about 4 years ago)


Guess what ?


They have just been flogged off  to the  Septics (Teledyne)


Same old bloody story everywhere you look.  We simply can't hang on to high tech companies !!!


Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
Saint Snow
08 April 2020 19:19:10


 


 


We use  e2V  (Formerly called English Electric valve Co) thyratrons   at out place £7K  last time I brought one .


Guess what ?


They have just been flogged off  to the  Septics (Teledyne)


Same old bloody story everywhere you look !!!


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


 


As long as a few hedge fund millionaires made a mint with their 'exit strategy', all is good.



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Gandalf The White
08 April 2020 19:20:06


 


 


We use  e2V  (Formerly called English Electric valve Co) thyratrons   at out place.  Cost  £7K. last time I brought one  (about 4 years ago)


Guess what ?


They have just been flogged off  to the  Septics (Teledyne)


Same old bloody story everywhere you look  0 we simply can't hang on to high tech companies !!!


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


It's like a real life version of the game Monopoly: once you start losing you end up having to get rid of your assets.


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
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Chunky Pea
08 April 2020 19:23:06


 


No, it's not dictatorship. Varadkar is in power constitutionally- he remains leader until a new government is agreed. Nor did any of the other parties vote against his measures so it's perfectly democratic. 


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


It isn't though, given that the formation of a 'new government' is slowly being put on the back burner.  And why would other parties not agree? they are all the one ilk after all. Mary Lou seems oddly quite also, don'tcha think? Guess she didn't have the balls to take charge while the turd is hitting the fan, with her having to deal with something a bit more than Brit hating identity politics which is about the sum of her 'talents'.


What a total waste of our time and our money that last election was. But then, we shouldn't be surprised at that, given just how unaccountable our corrupt, self serving, overly funded establishment is to the Irish public. 


 


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Polar Low
08 April 2020 19:26:30

Yes that is always the danger when the Americans took over I decided to take a package at that time because it meant working basically 5    Years for nothing But also had another E2v job offer I had to sign the official secret acts when I left which basically means I can’t talk about specific frequencies or specialist materials or procedures was then told if I changed my mind in future I could come back but to be honest I don’t miss the stress at my age.


Thyratons are a good example that China just can’t make for love nor money and when they do they last very little time.


 




 


 


We use  e2V  (Formerly called English Electric valve Co) thyratrons   at out place £7K  last time I brought one .


Guess what ?


They have just been flogged off  to the  Septics (Teledyne)


Same old bloody story everywhere you look !!!


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 

Justin W
08 April 2020 19:34:48


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?

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