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NMA
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12 April 2020 10:39:26


We genuinely do live in unprecedented times and dealing with the economic fallout is very difficult for the government, setting up new systems does take time etc. However, the revelations from Sharma today are worrying.


 




Originally Posted by: JHutch 


I would think twice as well about taking one of these loans. The danger is losing the roof over your head when the loan becomes a millstone and the bank still demands you repay it from your business that no longer exists because there is no market for what you are producing.


New markets will emerge but that takes time. 


 


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llamedos
12 April 2020 10:40:39


 


 


What we don't yet know is whether the virus can activate at a later date, in the way that a herpes virus like Chickenpox can


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

One would hope not as there is still no cure for the herpes virus 


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Caz
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12 April 2020 10:40:41

The Beeb raises an interesting quirk with the figures - minorities are suffering worst from this.

I'd be interested to see whether the stats apply in my borough, too, which is 97% white.... but as there's no hospital with A&E in my borough (despite the popualtion being around 150,000) I guess there's no way of knowing!

"Only 14% of people in England and Wales are from ethnic minority backgrounds, according to the 2011 census.

However, the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre found that 34% of more than 3,000 critically ill coronavirus patients identified as black, Asian or minority ethnic."

Originally Posted by: Retron 

">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52255863


This has been mentioned before.  Ethnic minorities tend to live with extended families in the same household, so the mix of ages and more people per household could make a difference as well as their religious activities.


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The Beast from the East
12 April 2020 10:42:18


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The Beast from the East
12 April 2020 10:46:29

Priti's first and only press briefing. back in the freezer she goes


 


 


 




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The Beast from the East
12 April 2020 10:48:25


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Brian Gaze
12 April 2020 10:49:12

Does the media lead public opinion or is the opposite true? At the moment it's clear! Appetite for the lockdown remains strong according to opinion polls. In fact people are rightly fearful of the corona virus and therefore want the restrictions to remain in place. However, publishers are taking an absolute hammering and are increasingly keen to move the agenda on. Hence we are hearing more about people who will die from other causes, issues with domestic violence and how the poor will suffer the most. There is of course some truth in all of those things but perhaps the credibility of publishers would be increased by admitting their views are partly influenced by their own financial considerations. 


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JHutch
12 April 2020 10:49:23


 


I would think twice as well about taking one of these loans. The danger is losing the roof over your head when the loan becomes a millstone and the bank still demands you repay it from your business that no longer exists because there is no market for what you are producing.


New markets will emerge but that takes time. 


 


Originally Posted by: NMA 


I would too! Seem to have been a lot of applications though.

Gandalf The White
12 April 2020 10:49:52


Priti's first and only press briefing. back in the freezer she goes


 


 


 




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


ROFL


That's really impressive: 40 tests per person for everyone on the entire planet.  ðŸ˜³


Did she attend the same Maths classes as Diane Abbott?


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fairweather
12 April 2020 10:51:57


 


I know the UK has a population more than ten times that of Denmark but even so those stats are low. How has Denmark managed to manage the virus to those levels?


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


As you say, it is low even when you take into account the lower population. Copenhagen has a population more like Manchester's but is actually more dense than Greater London. I'm afraid to say it but however much the government congratulates itself and we deservedly clap our admirable NHS workers our care of the elderly and health care is probably worse than theirs and most of the other European Countries.


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Brian Gaze
12 April 2020 10:54:55

A lot of discussion this morning about the NHS app-ocalypse which is being developed and will presumably make use of the Google - Apple api. It needs a take up rate of at least 60% to be of use. Singapore has tried a similar thing but according to the ST only 1 in six people have installed it on their pocket computer. In the UK I wonder whether the psychological implications have been thought through? Imagine constantly checking for notifications to say you have been in proximity of a person with the corona virus symptoms. Ouch!


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Caz
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12 April 2020 10:58:51


I absolutely think we are to become the worst affected country in Europe, because of the decisions made by the UK Government in the early days of the crisis. It really is a scandal and we are very much in the process of paying the price. 


I’d love for someone to challenge the statistics presented in that Twitter thread. Just look at the difference between us and the ROI. 


And yes, before someone else says it, hindsight is of course a wonderful thing. I get that. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

Something we haven’t mentioned and it occurred to me yesterday while shopping.  Thinking back to the supermarket frenzies just before lockdown when people were panic buying, the media images of people fighting over loo rolls etc.  How crowded supermarkets were three weeks ago, compared to the current social distancing measures.  


How much infection must have been spread and how many of those shoppers might well be in hospital now.  I wonder how much that has contributed to our death rates.  Us Brits did more panic buying than other countries!


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The Beast from the East
12 April 2020 10:59:10

But latest Observer poll puts the Govt on 61%, so perhaps nothing matters. They can literally kill thousands each week and the morons will still vote for them!


 




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Gandalf The White
12 April 2020 10:59:25


A lot of discussion this morning about the NHS app-ocalypse which is being developed and will presumably make use of the Google - Apple api. It needs a take up rate of at least 60% to be of use. Singapore has tried a similar thing but according to the ST only 1 in six people have installed it on their pocket computer. In the UK I wonder whether the psychological implications have been thought through? Imagine constantly checking for notifications to say you have been in proximity of a person with the corona virus symptoms. Ouch!


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Surely you opt for push notifications and then you get messaged?


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Brian Gaze
12 April 2020 11:00:09


 


I absolutely think we are to become the worst affected country in Europe, because of the decisions made by the UK Government in the early days of the crisis. It really is a scandal and we are very much in the process of paying the price. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


You'll be accused of:


a) negativity
b) a lack of patriotism because you should be rallying around the flag


 


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Caz
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12 April 2020 11:02:01


I think you should buy him a new pair of trainers, poor old sod! 


Originally Posted by: llamedos 

   Heel have to make do with the ones he’s got!  


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fairweather
12 April 2020 11:03:34


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/dont-stand-so-close-to-me-hundreds-flock-to-londons-green-lungs?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


Victoria Park yesterday -  London is going to struggle based on population density if nothing else. 


The parks up here aren’t too bad - I’ve been avoiding the paths as much as possible. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Agree about the joggers. I've only been out in the Countryside twice since this started and both times I had to dive off the path and hold my breath as a grunting, puffing and sweaty middle aged unfit jogger passed by .


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Brian Gaze
12 April 2020 11:04:13


 


Surely you opt for push notifications and then you get messaged?


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Well even worse! You'll be constantly checking for text message.


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The Beast from the East
12 April 2020 11:10:10


Does the media lead public opinion or is the opposite true? At the moment it's clear! Appetite for the lockdown remains strong according to opinion polls. In fact people are rightly fearful of the corona virus and therefore want the restrictions to remain in place. However, publishers are taking an absolute hammering and are increasingly keen to move the agenda on. Hence we are hearing more about people who will die from other causes, issues with domestic violence and how the poor will suffer the most. There is of course some truth in all of those things but perhaps the credibility of publishers would be increased by admitting their views are partly influenced by their own financial considerations. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 




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Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Joe Bloggs
12 April 2020 11:10:44


 


You'll be accused of:


a) negativity
b) a lack of patriotism because you should be rallying around the flag


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I don’t think I’ve ever felt as patriotic as I do at the moment. I don’t think I’ve ever felt as much love & admiration towards the UK population. I’ve been moved to tears when clapping on my doorstep, thinking about those who work in the NHS and in care homes etc. I also think this crisis has gone some way to bring the 4 nations of the UK closer together - at the moment we feel like very much one country. 


However - it’s important to criticise and hold the Government to account when necessary. I think most agree now that we acted too slowly at the start of this crisis, everything happened a week or so too late and we are now paying the price. 


And yes I know you know all this. :D 



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David M Porter
12 April 2020 11:21:44


 


I don’t think I’ve ever felt as patriotic as I do at the moment. I don’t think I’ve ever felt as much love & admiration towards the UK population. I’ve been moved to tears when clapping on my doorstep, thinking about those who work in the NHS and in care homes etc. I also think this crisis has gone some way to bring the 4 nations of the UK closer together - at the moment we feel like very much one country. 


However - it’s important to criticise and hold the Government to account when necessary. I think most agree now that we acted too slowly at the start of this crisis, everything happened a week or so too late and we are now paying the price. 


And yes I know you know all this. :D 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 



The real warning to our government IMO was when the disease began to get out of control in Italy. That was the point when any thoughts that the disease might not spread much, if at all, beyond the far east should have been dispelled.


I know that it is easy for anyone to be a so-called armchair critic and I know that hindsight always gives 20/20 vision. However, the warning signs from China, Asia and Italy were evident for many weeks before the UK government first raised the alarm in this country. My guess is that having reached the UK in late January at the latest, it was probably spreading quite widely among communities in England and then elsewhere in the UK throughout February. Yet, we heard very little if anything from HMG at that time about the preparations they were making.


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Gandalf The White
12 April 2020 11:27:34


 


Well even worse! You'll be constantly checking for text message.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Not really because they just pop up on the screen; just needs a quick glance to see the source. I get them from the BBC news app and several other news sources - it can get a little tedious when you get 2 within seconds on the same subject, such as Boris Johnson leaving ICU.


But I think if it's a choice between being informed about something that could make you seriously ill or kill you or being momentarily distracted by a message then it's not really a difficult choice, is it?


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John p
12 April 2020 11:28:01


 


Agree about the joggers. I've only been out in the Countryside twice since this started and both times I had to dive off the path and hold my breath as a grunting, puffing and sweaty middle aged unfit jogger passed by .


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


I read a new verb to describe joggers “coronaing” everywhere. 


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Brian Gaze
12 April 2020 11:28:46


But I think if it's a choice between being informed about something that could make you seriously ill or kill you or being momentarily distracted by a message then it's not really a difficult choice, is it?


😉


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Agree with your point but I still think the psychological implications are of note. 


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Brian Gaze
12 April 2020 11:31:30


 



The real warning to our government IMO was when the disease began to get out of control in Italy. That was the point when any thoughts that the disease might not spread much, if at all, beyond the far east should have been dispelled.


I know that it is easy for anyone to be a so-called armchair critic and I know that hindsight always gives 20/20 vision. However, the warning signs from China, Asia and Italy were evident for many weeks before the UK government first raised the alarm in this country. My guess is that having reached the UK in late January at the latest, it was probably spreading quite widely among communities in England and then elsewhere in the UK throughout February. Yet, we heard very little if anything from HMG at that time about the preparations they were making.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


 As I've repeatedly said I didn't want to have any association with the Cheltenham Festival this year. Normally I run a feature on TWO and provide a few quotes about the weather prospects to the media. This year I thought it would be wrong to do that. In years to come people will look back at what happened.


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