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Polar Low
25 April 2020 20:54:37

I don’t really get this comment it might be me but surly you would know if you had been severely ill with it icu, hdu etc


Antibody tests would allow health practitioners to find out whether a person has already recovered from the coronavirus and thus built some degree of immunity to it. However, as Professor Neal points out, the antibody tests currently being trialled are “only diagnosing the severe infection”, as opposed to patients with mild cases or those who are asymptomatic.


 

Northern Sky
25 April 2020 20:55:23


 


It is a difficult balance to strike I agree. But I am sometimes feeling, being in the somewhat higher risk category over 70 and abiding by the lockdown (not wandered round a supermarket yet), that I am somehow supposed to be sacrificing myself for the common good. Maybe I should?


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


No I don't think you should but perhaps (and I genuinely mean perhaps because I'm speculating rather than offering a firm opinion) in hindsight we have been better spending a lot more money protecting the old and vulnerable while keeping the rest of society moving as much as possible. 

Phil G
25 April 2020 21:01:59


Professor Paul Hunter, of the University of East Anglia, added: “There is no doubt this rate of decline is disappointing. Certainly it is far too high to consider lifting lockdown restrictions at present. We need to get numbers down to a few hundred new cases a day before we can do that. Such a decline could take months.”


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


If a few hundred new cases is one of their triggers for relaxing, then yes we will have to wait a long time, might never achieve it until they work out what's driving the current 4-5k daily number. It should be coming down by now.

Gandalf The White
25 April 2020 21:05:28


 



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Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


Hi Roger


Possibly - but don't forget that last Sunday's headline was utter nonsense.

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Polar Low
25 April 2020 21:08:03

Yes that’s what I thought Phil given also the amount of people Not  obeying lockdown in these parts,, to be honest I thought I’d never say it but I’m pleased I can here the police sirens pulling people over in Water house lane to check



 


If a few hundred new cases is one of their triggers for relaxing, then yes we will have to wait a long time, might never achieve it until they work out what's driving the current 4-5k daily number. It should be coming down by now.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 

Chunky Pea
25 April 2020 21:09:43




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Peers Morgan is what most of sound mind would call something beginning and ending in 'T', and filled by the two letters 'w' and 'a'. 

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Gandalf The White
25 April 2020 21:10:13


The over 70s in this hamlet are the only ones ignoring the lockdown. They are quite unbelievable and seem to think it is a bit of a joke.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


In our village everyone seems to be following the rules, relying on family members, neighbours and volunteers in the village for groceries, newspapers and such like.


Still very little traffic in the village or surrounding areas; even the usually very busy A505 has very few cars on it.

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Polar Low
25 April 2020 21:10:26
Polar Low
25 April 2020 21:15:37

Pleased with that Peter not so good here I’m afraid but I must say lots of police about tonight in Chelmsford looks like it’s time to get rough.


 



 


In our village everyone seems to be following the rules, relying on family members, neighbours and volunteers in the village for groceries, newspapers and such like.


Still very little traffic in the village or surrounding areas; even the usually very busy A505 has very few cars on it.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Brian Gaze
25 April 2020 21:17:28


Professor Paul Hunter, of the University of East Anglia, added: “There is no doubt this rate of decline is disappointing. Certainly it is far too high to consider lifting lockdown restrictions at present. We need to get numbers down to a few hundred new cases a day before we can do that. Such a decline could take months.”


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


My gut feel is they'll go with between 1000 and 2000 per day. Economics is starting to override all else. I could be wrong. 

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Polar Low
25 April 2020 21:27:20

Very delicate situation Brian it’s going to be interesting thou, If numbers climb again on a potential second wave we have the added benefit of another lockdown how would the public react (did not work first time might be much harder to implement)


Also second lockdown imho would cause much more economic problems and pain if you want to get WIP and stock rolling so this first decision is  very critical 



 


My gut feel is they'll go with between 1000 and 2000 per day. Economics is starting to override all else. I could be wrong. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

pfw
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25 April 2020 21:27:44

Brief Canadian report


10am 10k run (well jog to be honest). Pedestrians still being pretty good, no issues really. Cyclists on the other hand... - is it too much to ask that they move a couple of metres into the road when there is no traffic around to avoid passing you a few inches away when you are on a narrow pavement? Ban lycra now!


Better weather today and lockdown is breaking IMO. Visitors cars clearly present at a number of houses in the local streets.


The care home situation continues to be a major concern here. Also apparently a small protest against lockdown referenced here https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-covid-19-cases-long-term-care-staff-1.5545042  - Ford attempting to strike a tough tone but  a minority have decided they aren't going to comply any more as far as I can tell. He's either going to have to accept this or ramp up enforcement. My guess is that ramping up enforcement will be impossible and so he'll have to throw the population a bone on or before the Victoria Day weekend but we'll see.

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25 April 2020 21:30:21


Professor Paul Hunter, of the University of East Anglia, added: “There is no doubt this rate of decline is disappointing. Certainly it is far too high to consider lifting lockdown restrictions at present. We need to get numbers down to a few hundred new cases a day before we can do that. Such a decline could take months.”


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 



Maybe it's been picked up from airborne particles from miles away as posted earlier.
If so the Lockdown is a complete waste of time.
There really isn't a great deal of evidence they work any better than good hygiene and keeping your distance so far as possible.
From the start it seems like the justification was scanty and mainly decided to do it because other countries did.
Plus look at Sweden.
We should be going back to work wherever possible and concentrating shielding on the most vulnerable 70+ etc

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Phil G
25 April 2020 21:33:55


 


My gut feel is they'll go with between 1000 and 2000 per day. Economics is starting to override all else. I could be wrong. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


You could be right Brian. The main concern at the start of all this over here was averting that spike and making sure the NHS wasn't overwhelmed. With the extra capacity of the new nightingale hospitals now up and running, they may be more confident to 'let the shackles loose a little' and those numbers you suggest may be near their 'acceptable' mark. With the information showing the steady run of 4-5k new cases each day, it would be good this number is investigated to see the main cause of what is driving this figure so something may be able to be done about it. Based on my weekly experiences there, its my hunch its the visits to supermarkets causing this steady stream.

Polar Low
25 April 2020 21:35:55

We have discussed this before on Two I do have a open mind on it but I just get the feeling we would have been affected by something much worse like Marburg many years ago interesting thou,


 


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180206090650.htm


 





Maybe it's been picked up from airborne particles from miles away as posted earlier.
If so the Lockdown is a complete waste of time.
There really isn't a great deal of evidence they work any better than good hygiene and keeping your distance so far as possible.
From the start it seems like the justification was scanty and mainly decided to do it because other countries did.
Plus look at Sweden.
We should be going back to work wherever possible and concentrating shielding on the most vulnerable 70+ etc


Originally Posted by: four 

Saint Snow
25 April 2020 21:37:25


 


Peers Morgan is what most of sound mind would call something beginning and ending in 'T', and filled by the two letters 'w' and 'a'. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


 


But if he makes a valid point, it's just petty to deny it.


And when he flags up the vacuous idiocy of that hard-right b*tch Patel, I'll hardly criticise him. 


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Polar Low
25 April 2020 21:44:10
Chunky Pea
25 April 2020 21:44:19


 


 


But if he makes a valid point, it's just petty to deny it.


And when he flags up the vacuous idiocy of that hard-right b*tch Patel, I'll hardly criticise him. 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I absolutely agree.


But whether he makes valid points or not, he is still pompous T..t. The sort of guy that has to continually reinforce his own 'legend'. 

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Brian Gaze
25 April 2020 21:48:23


Brief Canadian report


10am 10k run (well jog to be honest). Pedestrians still being pretty good, no issues really. Cyclists on the other hand... - is it too much to ask that they move a couple of metres into the road when there is no traffic around to avoid passing you a few inches away when you are on a narrow pavement? Ban lycra now!


Originally Posted by: pfw 


Absolutely spot on. They annoy the hell out of me. 

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Saint Snow
25 April 2020 21:52:09


 


I absolutely agree.


But whether he makes valid points or not, he is still pompous T..t. The sort of guy that has to continually reinforce his own 'legend'. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


In the spirit of reciprocity, I absolutely agree



Martin
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Polar Low
25 April 2020 22:02:34

Think Brian mentioned this earlier France have gone further


Bugglesgate
25 April 2020 22:02:50


Brief Canadian report


10am 10k run (well jog to be honest). Pedestrians still being pretty good, no issues really. Cyclists on the other hand... - is it too much to ask that they move a couple of metres into the road when there is no traffic around to avoid passing you a few inches away when you are on a narrow pavement? Ban lycra now!


Better weather today and lockdown is breaking IMO. Visitors cars clearly present at a number of houses in the local streets.


The care home situation continues to be a major concern here. Also apparently a small protest against lockdown referenced here https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-covid-19-cases-long-term-care-staff-1.5545042  - Ford attempting to strike a tough tone but  a minority have decided they aren't going to comply any more as far as I can tell. He's either going to have to accept this or ramp up enforcement. My guess is that ramping up enforcement will be impossible and so he'll have to throw the population a bone on or before the Victoria Day weekend but we'll see.


Originally Posted by: pfw 


Depends what they would do without it - it's   exhibitionist enough to wear the stuff in the first place, lets hope they wouldn't go one step further if we banned it

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Saint Snow
25 April 2020 22:07:43


 


Depends what they would do without it - it's   exhibitionist enough to wear the stuff in the first place, lets hope they wouldn't go one step further if we banned it


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


 


Just ban men from wearing it, along with women over size 12.


Martin
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Polar Low
25 April 2020 22:17:26

Interesting piece in a earlier  NYT about how important and risk exposure is
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/opinion/coronavirus-viral-dose.html


 


 


 


 

fairweather
25 April 2020 22:19:35




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


People keep saying it would have been worse if Jeremy Corbyn was in power. They should just think themselves lucky it wasn't *****!

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