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Gooner
31 October 2020 17:21:48

Nice to see 



Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Heavy Weather 2013
31 October 2020 17:42:04
Nice charts.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
CField
31 October 2020 18:23:38


Nice to see 



Originally Posted by: Gooner 

good 384hr winter so far 


Favourite snowstorm
Famous channel low
Dec 31st 1978
Hastings East Sussex
Foot of level snow severe drifting
Next day max temp -4 degrees Celsius
Gandalf The White
31 October 2020 21:09:21


Nice to see 



Originally Posted by: Gooner 


The ensemble mean anomaly at the end of the run suggests some support for higher pressure over the Greenland area



Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Tom Oxon
31 October 2020 23:07:02
Undoubtedly gearing towards a settled outlook at least, the mid-term teleconnections point to a neutral NAO which I think agrees with model consensus that HP will be over us/mid-Atlantic.

Very different feel if this comes off, that November will be a quieter month compared to 2018 and 2019. There's the old link between Active hurricane seasons and -NAO winters and this has been one of the most active I can remember.

La Nina looks moderate currently - signs are looking good for cold this time round, particularly the second half.
S Warwickshire countryside, c.375ft asl.
Gandalf The White
01 November 2020 00:21:47

Undoubtedly gearing towards a settled outlook at least, the mid-term teleconnections point to a neutral NAO which I think agrees with model consensus that HP will be over us/mid-Atlantic.

Very different feel if this comes off, that November will be a quieter month compared to 2018 and 2019. There's the old link between Active hurricane seasons and -NAO winters and this has been one of the most active I can remember.

La Nina looks moderate currently - signs are looking good for cold this time round, particularly the second half.

Originally Posted by: Tom Oxon 


I thought La Niña patterns favoured early winter cold?


Against that, we're close to the solar minimum which also favours more blocked patterns in the northern hemisphere winter.


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Tom Oxon
01 November 2020 02:01:59


 


I thought La Niña patterns favoured early winter cold?


Against that, we're close to the solar minimum which also favours more blocked patterns in the northern hemisphere winter.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


Strong La Ninas can actually force cool zonal, from what I can see the current one is moderate.  One of many factors, but a weakening La Nina through the NH winter tends more to blocking.


S Warwickshire countryside, c.375ft asl.
Roger Parsons
01 November 2020 06:57:06
Thanks both for picking up on the La Niña issue. I'd asked about that on 29th as the BBC had featured it and have been wondering how it might play out.

'Moderate to strong' La Niña weather event develops in the Pacific.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54725970 

Roger
RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Heavy Weather 2013
01 November 2020 07:21:02
There seems to be three very clear phases that are being churned out now.

Phase 1: Westerly, stormy
Phase 2: High Pressure moves in for a settled period
Phase 3: HP moves scandy

Seems that all three phases are being show consistently now.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
CField
01 November 2020 07:37:48

Any high pressure in Greenland will be severely tested in the next 4 weeks or so......hope all this blocking north or east isnt just another example of a lengthly weather rut that delivers nothing but expends a few weeks of winter weather....personally I'd prefer to see a more mobile set up bit of cold zonality followed by a decent northerly  blast......last one 2010 ......so until one arrives I'm not truely convinced of impending  severe cold weather hitting the UK


Favourite snowstorm
Famous channel low
Dec 31st 1978
Hastings East Sussex
Foot of level snow severe drifting
Next day max temp -4 degrees Celsius
DEW
  • DEW
  • Advanced Member
01 November 2020 08:04:18

Jetstream - currently strong from the W but in the course of the week buckling so the UK gets first a S-ly jet then on the other side of the loop a N-ly, and finally on Sat 7th no jet at all as it has broken up. New loops form in the Atlantic through to Tue 17th but fail to progress, with just the W edge of the UK being affected by the leading edge of these loops, i.e. a S-ly  jet as far as UK weather goes.


GFS - current LP centred near Shetland moves away and SW-lies subside as HP moves across UK Fri 6th 1035mb on its way to W Russia where it stays throughout (1050 mb by Mon 16th). UK has slack LP Mon 9th gradually being taken over by large stationary mid-Atlantic depression with S-ly winds through to Mon 16th with potentially rather warm air Sat 14th (but only a small pressure shift could convert that to cool SE-lies). No sign of the NE-ly hinted at in the closing stages of yesterday's run


GEFS - mild now, then cool to Thu 5th/Fri 6th, mild again for a few days but with mean of runs slowly back to norm; a few v.cold runs as uncertainty increases after Fri 13th. Dry Wed 4th -Sun 8th, some rain around after that but not much and uncertain.


ECM - agrees with GFS though HP over Russia is weaker and then at end of run the HP retrogresses from Russia to become established over Faeroes 1035mb Wed 11th.


War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

Chichester 12m asl
DPower
01 November 2020 10:48:48

Lol hlb charts imploded already surprise, surprise. Without strat/trop link up high latitude blocks splitting the vortices over Arctic as shown in yesterdays NWP are complete hogwash. NWP models now returning to more believable synoptics.

White Meadows
01 November 2020 11:24:56


Lol hlb charts imploded already surprise, surprise. Without strat/trop link up high latitude blocks splitting the vortices over Arctic as shown in yesterdays NWP are complete hogwash. NWP models now returning to more believable synoptics.


Originally Posted by: DPower 

I wouldn’t get hung up on one run. The general trend to more blocked conditions continues. 

tallyho_83
01 November 2020 17:30:20

I know I may get slated for this but what a chart and potential for a cold set up not to mention the major hurricane off the eastern seaboard if this came about!?



 


Home Location - Kellands Lane, Okehampton, Devon (200m ASL)
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Sean Moon
Magical Moon
www.magical-moon.com


tallyho_83
01 November 2020 17:33:29

First Nor easter!? WOW! if this did come about.



Home Location - Kellands Lane, Okehampton, Devon (200m ASL)
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Sean Moon
Magical Moon
www.magical-moon.com


doctormog
01 November 2020 17:36:27


First Nor easter!? WOW! if this did come about.



Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


That chart (from yesterday’s 18z GFS op run) is already out of date.


tallyho_83
01 November 2020 18:06:01


 


That chart (from yesterday’s 18z GFS op run) is already out of date.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Oops! Well spotted! 


Home Location - Kellands Lane, Okehampton, Devon (200m ASL)
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Sean Moon
Magical Moon
www.magical-moon.com


ballamar
01 November 2020 18:59:20
It’s that time of year when 850’s become less relevant for surface temps. ECM could become quite chilly and settled with some fog and frost. Perfect for November
Gandalf The White
01 November 2020 19:32:10

It’s that time of year when 850’s become less relevant for surface temps. ECM could become quite chilly and settled with some fog and frost. Perfect for November

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


Yes, slack winds and clear skies and temperature inversions become probable.


With luck we might even get the first air frost this week although just a few ground frosts might have to suffice.


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Rob K
01 November 2020 21:03:46


 


Yes, slack winds and clear skies and temperature inversions become probable.


With luck we might even get the first air frost this week although just a few ground frosts might have to suffice.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


My phone app is now showing a low of 0C for Tuesday and 1C for Wednesday. A bit different from the current 17C!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
DEW
  • DEW
  • Advanced Member
02 November 2020 07:16:06

16-dayer: UK hangs onto mild air, even a little warmer in week 2 while E & N Europe starts seeing much colder, though that could include night frosts and sunny days for UK. Rain only for Atlantic and Med locations for next two weeks.


GFS: SW-ly gales for a couple of days then HP moves across from Atlantic into Europe as before, 1035mb NSea Fri 6th  to 1030 Belarus Mon 9th, and managing to hang on in that general region to Wed 18th, up to 1050mb at times. UK under slack LP at first, taken over by S-ly flow from static mid Atlantic LP from Mon 9th onwards, some mild southerlies persisting until wed 18th when the LP moves a lot closer to the W.


GEFS: Cool,  then mild from Fri 6th, staying a little above norm thereafter to Wed 18th. Not much rain, and inconsistent between runs, FRi 13th and Wed 18th offer highest probability.


ECM: similar but positions the HP further S & W, mostly over Germany even ridging across to UK Thu 12th


War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

Chichester 12m asl
marco 79
02 November 2020 17:42:43
GFS keeps toying with the idea of post mid November Easterlies...one to watch as we head towards the end of this week...
Home : Mid Leicestershire ...135m ASL
White Meadows
02 November 2020 18:44:30
ECM also hinting at a sharp pressure rise over Scandy mid month.
scillydave
02 November 2020 20:08:45
I'm hoping for a bit of back edge sleetiness tomorrow morning as the front passes through as I'm feeling snow starved!
I think I've got a chance of it happening given my height above sea level.
Currently living at roughly 65m asl North of Cowbridge in the Vale of Glamorgan.

Formerly of, Birdlip, highest village in the Cotswolds and snow heaven in winter; Hawkinge in Kent - roof of the South downs and Isles of Scilly, paradise in the UK.
Gooner
02 November 2020 21:55:39

GFS 216



ECM at 216 



Bit of a difference 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


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