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Arbroath 1320
29 January 2021 11:41:04


GFSP looks fine to me!



Originally Posted by: Quantum 


It is. The para goes for more of a traditional Scandi high, direct Easterly set up.


The overall trend in this morning's runs is still very good for cold and it's getting closer to d day. The 6z op is a truly stunning run and if anything like that set up verifies, there is no quick breakdown occurring that's for sure.


Fascinating stuff.


GGTTH
Sevendust
29 January 2021 11:41:04

Even leaving aside the snow options, I think the south could be very wet again

ballamar
29 January 2021 11:47:39
Control looks pretty good for some decent cold as well
Rob K
29 January 2021 11:47:44

GEFS really a lot colder in the longer term than the 00Z.


 


The Parallel goes for mega southerlies though, in the longer term.


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Ally Pally Snowman
29 January 2021 11:50:18

GEFS really a lot colder in the longer term than the 00Z.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I would wager that's the coldest mean since Late February 2018.


 


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Jiries
29 January 2021 11:59:57

Might be an extreme on the ENS but not necessarily an outlier, we could be on the verge of an historic Feb

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


You notice the 06z run are just matching what we had a last proper cold snowy spell in Feb 1991 so next month will be 30 years and hope that will end the 30 years drought.  Past snow events all failed after doing quality checks. Requirements to pass is having several days of subzero maxes (6x in Feb 1991) below -10C over nights, lot of snow and final deep cold over night temps under clear skies.


Once again I really hope the 30 years drought to end exactly the same dates in early Feb.

ballamar
29 January 2021 12:01:12


GEFS really a lot colder in the longer term than the 00Z.


 


The Parallel goes for mega southerlies though, in the longer term.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


arent they SE off a cold continent? Sorry if not seen later in the run

tallyho_83
29 January 2021 12:08:13


 


This is complicated so no easy answer. Are the current projections (not happened yet) SSW related? Yes IMO, because the disruption to the PV had already happened and what we see now is changed in wave propagation and amplification in the N Pacific ‘utilising’ the displaced PV to encourage much higher blocking. You can get it without an SSW of course, but I think it’s helped.


Will it be a three day wonder or something more prolonged and even historic - time will tell, but there’s a chance of the latter.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Yes that what I thought  - so this cold weather/blocking we see from 5th/6th February is a result of the SSW which occurred earlier in January? What I thought. Also I heard about the MJO was on the move - i didn't know what I meant at first but looked it up and apparently that is another reason why we are seeing increasingly blocked models. - More runs needed however...


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tallyho_83
29 January 2021 12:15:39


GEFS really a lot colder in the longer term than the 00Z.


 


The Parallel goes for mega southerlies though, in the longer term.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Yes para goes for balmy southerly's but control and operational go cold and stay cold. Just get's frustrating that the closer we get to the more reliable time frame the more uncertainty there seems to be when it should be the opposite. Nice to see the ENS trend colder in FI on the 06z run. All eyes on this evenings ECM.


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Rob K
29 January 2021 12:16:52


 


arent they SE off a cold continent? Sorry if not seen later in the run


Originally Posted by: ballamar 


Quite finely balanced, cold at first then gets up to double figures in the south for a while, then veers colder again at the surface.


 


The control run, by contrast, is a monster throughout, with near constant deep cold: easterly to NEly and back to easterly.


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"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
tallyho_83
29 January 2021 12:22:02

06Z Op is a little bit of an outlier come FI but at least the ENS have trended colder along with control and we have plenty of sub -10c uppers from 6th Feb - all eyes on this evenings ECM:



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tallyho_83
29 January 2021 12:26:10

Para looks good at +216z:


Cold uppers of -10c widely-(-12c in NE) and enough wind to bring snow flurries in from the east if this came off - Gusty could be in the firing line here? - However, far SE looks like the mildest part and origins of the air come from EAST/SE Europe not NE.



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pthomps
29 January 2021 12:27:14


 


You notice the 06z run are just matching what we had a last proper cold snowy spell in Feb 1991 so next month will be 30 years and hope that will end the 30 years drought.  Past snow events all failed after doing quality checks. Requirements to pass is having several days of subzero maxes (6x in Feb 1991) below -10C over nights, lot of snow and final deep cold over night temps under clear skies.


Once again I really hope the 30 years drought to end exactly the same dates in early Feb.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 


I had the same thought. Remember February 1991 very well - I was in my final year at Reading University..

nsrobins
29 January 2021 12:28:20


06Z Op is a little bit of an outlier come FI but at least the ENS have trended colder along with control and we have plenty of sub -10c uppers from 6th Feb - all eyes on this evenings ECM:



Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


When that mean gets below -7 I’m in. You can however see how things can go wrong but I’d rather see that at 7 days than 4 days. The majority of the +ve 850 runs need to drop into the very cold pack by 4 days out to boost confidence.


The Kettley video is on standbye 😉


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doctormog
29 January 2021 12:31:28

Kettley? I can only dream of Feb 2001! 

With the full ensemble suite now out, the -10 count for here was up to 29 (the highest I have seen it since I have looked at that measure).


fairweather
29 January 2021 12:48:50


 


Can I be picky and ask for a correction 100 miles south 😁


Originally Posted by: hobensotwo 


Yes, because I think you will need that for Jersey to get in on the act .Normally the Continental influence would help you but probably not this time.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
29 January 2021 12:50:36


 


Consuela GIFs | Tenor


If there is one thing I am scared of at the moment is corrections further south :P


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Why, it will pull the cold air right across the Country. Don't think it would jeopadise your chances.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
29 January 2021 12:56:03


 


When that mean gets below -7 I’m in. You can however see how things can go wrong but I’d rather see that at 7 days than 4 days. The majority of the +ve 850 runs need to drop into the very cold pack by 4 days out to boost confidence.


The Kettley video is on standbye 😉


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


It is easy to see the mean drop to -7C as there is a distinct cold cluster, the mean being dragged up by a few spurious mild runs that should drop into place in the next couple ofdays. However I agree, there is plenty of scope for it to go wrong for the South, who are more likely to be adversely affected by any slight northward drift of the LP over France.


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Rob K
29 January 2021 12:58:54

Pretty decent set of GEFS in terms of prolonging the cold. Being picky I would like to see some slightly colder air.

P5 is pretty decent, giving subzero temperatures for five days on the trot in this location.

Still a huge amount of uncertainty in the short term: the spread of maximum 2m temperatures for Monday, i.e. just 72 hours away now, in my location ranges from 1.2C to 10.6C!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
hobensotwo
29 January 2021 13:07:07


 


It is easy to see the mean drop to -7C as there is a distinct cold cluster, the mean being dragged up by a few spurious mild runs that should drop into place in the next couple ofdays. However I agree, there is plenty of scope for it to go wrong for the South, who are more likely to be adversely affected by any slight northward drift of the LP over France.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


I agree, and it's my fear for the South, that it corrects further North over each run. Until it becomes a Midlands North affair, and we're left chasing rainbows at t+300 in the South. Hopfully I'm wrong (usually am).

Rob K
29 January 2021 13:09:56



Past snow events all failed after doing quality checks.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 



Jiries your posts never fail to raise a laugh. Hopefully the quality control will be better this time round!
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Polar Low
29 January 2021 13:15:21

Extensive blocking week 8th :15 th Feb on ecm Thursdays extended run


continued blocking 15th -22nd Feb at Iceland and Grenny and a little weaker over scadi


 


 

White Meadows
29 January 2021 13:23:47

Blimey just checked the 06z and it’s ensembles.
Is the cat among the pigeons yet?
Expect some gradual murmurings in the media broadcasts if things continue this way over the weekend.


Re Polar Low’s post above, sounds like classic retrogression akin to some of the coldest UK winters is being shown on EC extended 

Quantum
29 January 2021 13:36:28


 


Why, it will pull the cold air right across the Country. Don't think it would jeopadise your chances.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Want to be a bit closer to the baroclinic zone for more snow


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Ally Pally Snowman
29 January 2021 13:37:25


 


Oh some people never learn 🤣 you could be right but we're still talking a week away so I wouldnt be counting any chickens yet.  We have seen cross model agreement (which we don't have today) go wrong at less than 5 days out.


One more cold spell I can go with but then mild please !


Originally Posted by: backtobasics 


 


I should know better shouldn't I , it's the consistency of the ECM ensembles that caught my eye. I agree with you on the one more cold spell then mild as long as the cold spell lasts 6 weeks.


 


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