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squish
09 February 2021 22:09:45
I have to say that GFS keeps it tantalisingly poised at +120/132.
The cold plunge into Central Europe is notable.
D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
jhall
09 February 2021 22:11:15

Meanwhile there's a battle royale being fought over the UK on Sunday and into Monday between the mild and the cold air, according to the 18Z GFS.


Cranleigh, Surrey
Fargo
09 February 2021 22:11:56
Would be nice to see the 18z come to fruition, would be a big snow event in South/Mid Wales and Welsh Marches, 20-30cm quite widely. Possible.
North Herefordshire 180m asl
glenogle
09 February 2021 22:12:03

Is this the Sublimation thread now? 😂

Originally Posted by: Crepuscular Ray 


I've got no snow showers and the breakdown is looking less likely to be snowy, MO is dying off along with my optimism.


Back on topic.  Wtf model is cosmo and where is it??


 


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Jeff
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09 February 2021 22:19:39


Meanwhile there's a battle royale being fought over the UK on Sunday and into Monday between the mild and the cold air, according to the 18Z GFS.


Originally Posted by: jhall 


 


I've been watching the trend to start lowering pressure in the Eastern Med from t144 which hopefully will "prop up" the high to our east, removing its rather ugly elongated form on some runs, which also presents the energy to our west with a route to the East ie: through France. The Greenland Block has showed signs of declining for some time now at around the same timeframe, so a good option for those looking for a prevailing cold spell would be energy splitting taking warm air advection NE through Iceland and also energy SE. Ignore single Op runs, look for trends .... 


On the East/West Sussex Border
70m ASL
Tom Oxon
09 February 2021 22:26:40

The block holds on the 18z but unfortunately the damage is done with it centred over Poland and UK temps back to average

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU18_186_1.png


p.s. I don't know if I dare mention what's going on in Greece...


S Warwickshire countryside, c.375ft asl.
squish
09 February 2021 22:36:08
Even by Thursday 18th daytime temps are still way below average and close to freezing in Scotland .
According to the 18z
D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
backtobasics
09 February 2021 22:40:11

I haven't seen any output that suggests any energy slipping under the block which, if we wanted the cold sustain in a meaningful way, it's what is needed. Not sure if any ensembles runs are suggesting this but seen no evidence in the Ops. Temps look to return to nearer normal on mon, tues or Weds next week depending on where your back yard is. I wouldn't say no to a snowy breakdown but I'd swap it for above average temps !

backtobasics
09 February 2021 22:41:16

This wasn't worth repeating 😂

JRobinson
09 February 2021 22:46:36

Parallel is back working on meteociel 

Saint Snow
09 February 2021 22:48:45

Would be nice to see the 18z come to fruition, would be a big snow event in South/Mid Wales and Welsh Marches, 20-30cm quite widely. Possible.

Originally Posted by: Fargo 


 


A huge swath of the UK would have moderate-heavy snow for 24+ hours from the 18z. 


It's a theme the GFS is sticking to resolutely, albeit with run-to-run tweaks, and I hope it's correct. If we're gonna get a breakdown, at least make it spectacular!




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SnowyHythe(Kent)
09 February 2021 23:07:39

Parallel GFS goes for a massive snow event Sat into Sun as a feature crosses the South..

Gooner
09 February 2021 23:10:10

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Now that's a classic breakdown


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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squish
09 February 2021 23:12:31
I would say the 18z GEFS are a touch quicker in easing the cold overall , although there are probably more individual runs that are colder, if that makes sense !
D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
squish
09 February 2021 23:23:09
The 12z GEM ensembles seem to refer to another planet . If it’s correct or thereabouts then it’s recent praise for generally sticking with the current cold spell evolution whilst other models wobbled will be justified and we can expect a quick Atlantic return. Somehow I doubt it !
D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
Downpour
10 February 2021 00:30:08


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Now that's a classic breakdown


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


Indeed. A Valentine’s Day Massacre, then roll on spring.


 


Would be a lovely end to the winter. Bring it on!


Chingford
London E4
147ft
Crepuscular Ray
10 February 2021 05:58:53
Wait until you see the GFS 0Z! The cold wins the Valentine's massacre and we end up with a diving Low and easterlies. The two air masses are still battling on the 26th 😲
Jerry
Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill
Retron
10 February 2021 06:09:47

Wait until you see the GFS 0Z! The cold wins the Valentine's massacre and we end up with a diving Low and easterlies. The two air masses are still battling on the 26th 😲

Originally Posted by: Crepuscular Ray 


Not down here it doesn't - the mild air wins out on Tuesday and it chucks it down with rain, not even any transitional snow. There's loads more rain over the following days as the cold retreats further north.


https://xcweather.co.uk/forecast/leysdown


All very much subject to change of course. (The GFS(P) has some snow on Tuesday instead, FWIW. And, of course, it's noteworthy how the transition date keeps being pushed back!)


Leysdown, north Kent
Heavy Weather 2013
10 February 2021 06:18:58


 


Not down here it doesn't - the mild air wins out on Tuesday and it chucks it down with rain, not even any transitional snow. There's loads more rain over the following days as the cold retreats further north.


https://xcweather.co.uk/forecast/leysdown


All very much subject to change of course. (The GFS(P) has some snow on Tuesday instead, FWIW. And, of course, it's noteworthy how the transition date keeps being pushed back!)


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Wouldnt it be nice to have a proper snowy breakdown. Alas, not sure we will get that luck. Btw, how are you. Thoughts on this Easterly overall?


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Retron
10 February 2021 06:23:58


Wouldnt it be nice to have a proper snowy breakdown. Alas, not sure we will get that luck. Btw, how are you. Thoughts on this Easterly overall?


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Thoughts? Well, we're around halfway through it, going by the models... it's had snow, it's had ice days, it's had drifts on the hills and the usual headlines in the papers. So far though the snow amounts have been generally low, it remains to be seen whether that changes.


That said, when you see things like this, posted earlier today by the local bus company:


"Services listed below are affected by snow and ice , if your service is not listed it is running normal route:


🚌 360 (Sheerness - Leysdown) suspended until further notice"


it does tend to raise eyebrows!


The overwhelming thought I have is thank goodness we can still get midwinter easterlies!


(I'll be interested as ever in how the breakdown works out in reality, but for now I'm making the most of watching snow fall and seeing that line of showers on the radar steadily moving towards and over Sheppey.)


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Heavy Weather 2013
10 February 2021 06:31:11


 


Thoughts? Well, we're around halfway through it, going by the models... it's had snow, it's had ice days, it's had drifts on the hills and the usual headlines in the papers. So far though the snow amounts have been generally low, it remains to be seen whether that changes.


That said, when you see things like this, posted earlier today by the local bus company:


"Services listed below are affected by snow and ice , if your service is not listed it is running normal route:


🚌 360 (Sheerness - Leysdown) suspended until further notice"


it does tend to raise eyebrows!


The overwhelming thought I have is thank goodness we can still get midwinter easterlies!


(I'll be interested as ever in how the breakdown works out in reality, but for now I'm making the most of watching snow fall and seeing that line of showers on the radar steadily moving towards and over Sheppey.)


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Yes! We had a convergence zone for east for this morning over the E/SE of London. Can’t see it somehow. I think you’ll def see something in the next few hours.


Im still hoping for a surprise January 2003 event, where some longer spells of snow moved down through Essex


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Whether Idle
10 February 2021 06:59:22

My take is that the breakdown will largely fail.  I believe the GFS shows this scenario this morning.  Its tempting to think that the models have the weather 'taped'.  The reality is they do not, and their manifest weaknesses at the micro scale within 24 hours and at the macro scale in the range 72-144 have been cruelly exposed by the cold spell.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
doctormog
10 February 2021 07:20:37
Looking across the models’ output it does seem very probable that a breakdown to milder (southerly influence) conditions will take place through the weekend. Temperatures look likely to be back into double figures in places by Tuesday. Yes, I guess things could change but at this range it is unlikely they change that much.
surbitonweather
10 February 2021 07:22:59
Thought it was quiet in here then checked the ECM & GFS...........only hope is for a snowy breakdown but that’s now looking unlikely........at this stage.....
Surbiton, Surrey 21m ASL
DEW
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10 February 2021 07:29:22

http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/temp4 hinting at a re-load in week2 with large Siberian air mass forming up over W Russia, temps over W Europe colder than forecast yesterday and little sign of pptn from the Atlantic on the companion chart. Just enough of a breakdown in cold weather to be irritating? Neither more snow nor mild spring?


GFS has re-instated the Scandi HP (today's charts look more like those from 2 days back than yesterday's). Although that does generate S-lies for a few days, there's always a touch of a SE-ly and by Fri 19th quite a cold one. Mon 19th sees a proper E-ly with a slider low, unfortunately reverting to the S/SE pattern. 


GEFS, after a steady recovery, runs the mean close to or above the seasonal norm from Mon 15th though op and control are both on the cool side, these two even rather cold in the N . Little rain to be had. 


ECM also brings back the Scandi HP, though for a while around Wed 17th placing it further SE into the Baltic allowing a spell of mild SW-lies but cooler on either side of this date


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