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Polar Low
14 February 2021 09:08:51

one of the interesting facts I came across a little while ago


34C has been recorded in the UK during seven out of the last 10 years, compared to seven out of the previous 50 years from 1961 to 2010. This suggests that temperatures of 34C or higher occurring at some point during the summer are becoming a more common occurrence.


https://www.carbonbrief.org/met-office-the-uks-august-2020-heatwave


 



 


It's reaching the stage where you can safely take a punt on 33C or 34C being reached in the summer even if you've not given the matter much consideration.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Ally Pally Snowman
14 February 2021 09:27:05


one of the interesting facts I came across a little while ago


34C has been recorded in the UK during seven out of the last 10 years, compared to seven out of the previous 50 years from 1961 to 2010. This suggests that temperatures of 34C or higher occurring at some point during the summer are becoming a more common occurrence.


https://www.carbonbrief.org/met-office-the-uks-august-2020-heatwave


 


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


That's a incredible stat.  It's been fun chasing heatwaves here recently certainly easier than chasing snow. But as ever with the UK climate its unpredictable and this summer could be anything from scorching to a complete dud. 


 


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David M Porter
14 February 2021 09:32:45

GFS 00z op seems to take a colder route in FI with height rises to the north, although nothing really close to a repeat of last week. IIRC there was one GFS op run yesterday which showed something similar.


I have no basis for this other than gut feeling, but while the next 10 days or so are looking much milder than recently, I get the feeling that we may not yet have seen the back of the cold just yet as far as the coming few weeks are concerned.


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Nick Gilly
14 February 2021 10:19:04


one of the interesting facts I came across a little while ago


34C has been recorded in the UK during seven out of the last 10 years, compared to seven out of the previous 50 years from 1961 to 2010. This suggests that temperatures of 34C or higher occurring at some point during the summer are becoming a more common occurrence.


https://www.carbonbrief.org/met-office-the-uks-august-2020-heatwave


 


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Indeed. In fact 2020 was the 3rd consecutive year that a temperature of 35C or higher has been recorded in the UK. This has never happened before. It shows how much our climate is changing, and how easy it is now for anomalous warmth/heat to build quickly.

Hippydave
14 February 2021 10:33:37

According to the 6z GFS op, there seems to be a window of opportunity to get out of our SW flow in about 10 days time judging by the jet charts. Whether the OP manages it from here or not I'd imagine a few of the ens will toy with a colder solution.


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Sevendust
14 February 2021 11:13:31


Yes it has. Between 1977 and 1988 34C wasn't even reached once in the UK.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I had to check that for July 1983 but you are correct. That hot month was consistent but didn't breach 33'c. 

nsrobins
14 February 2021 11:21:38
There is a bit of traction long term for HLB again and my preference would be a good old fashioned Northerly. Only a remote chance but after a virtually snow-free winter here Iā€™d take anything.
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David M Porter
14 February 2021 12:12:19


 


Indeed. In fact 2020 was the 3rd consecutive year that a temperature of 35C or higher has been recorded in the UK. This has never happened before. It shows how much our climate is changing, and how easy it is now for anomalous warmth/heat to build quickly.


Originally Posted by: Nick Gilly 


The interesting thing was that I have no recollection of any unusually hot weather being reported anywhere in continental Europe in late July/early August last year when some areas of the UK had the hot spell. When the previous hottest UK temperature record was set in 2003, Europe was in the grip of a major heatwave. Late in the summer of 2018 (IIRC) Spain and Portugal had a spell which saw temperatures reaching the high forties which came close to breaking their all-time records. Yet I have no memory of unusually hot conditions being reported anywhere in Europe either last summer or the previous one.


One thing that could be, and likely is, changing is the behaviour of the jet stream. It has more influence on the British climate that virtually anything else.


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Whether Idle
14 February 2021 12:26:14

There is a bit of traction long term for HLB again and my preference would be a good old fashioned Northerly. Only a remote chance but after a virtually snow-free winter here I’d take anything.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


To my eye it’s a matter of when rather than if. Could be a northerly or easterly and is likely to be in place by the turn of the month. Perhaps sooner. 


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Gandalf The White
14 February 2021 12:29:44


 


The interesting thing was that I have no recollection of any unusually hot weather being reported anywhere in continental Europe in late July/early August last year when some areas of the UK had the hot spell. When the previous hottest UK temperature record was set in 2003, Europe was in the grip of a major heatwave. Late in the summer of 2018 (IIRC) Spain and Portugal had a spell which saw temperatures reaching the high forties which came close to breaking their all-time records. Yet I have no memory of unusually hot conditions being reported anywhere in Europe either last summer or the previous one.


One thing that could be, and likely is, changing is the behaviour of the jet stream. It has more influence on the British climate that virtually anything else.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


There were heatwaves in Europe last summer.


https://www.carbonbrief.org/met-office-the-uks-august-2020-heatwave


 


I wonder if part of the problem is that heatwaves in mainland Europe are becoming so common that they're no longer headline news? 


 


Edit: just noticed that PL posted the same link earlier. šŸ™‚


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Rob K
14 February 2021 12:32:08


 


 


 


I'm not sure that's ever been unusual.  It's more the count that has increased.


Originally Posted by: Tom Oxon 


34C certainly has been unusual: it only happened 17 years in the whole 20th century, so one year in six on average. 


In the 21st century so far it has happened nine years out of 20, so almost half. 


Looking at the last decade (2011-2020) it has happened in seven out of 10 years. 


And looking at the last five years it has been reached every every single year, 2016-2020!


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Nick Gilly
14 February 2021 12:32:45


 


The interesting thing was that I have no recollection of any unusually hot weather being reported anywhere in continental Europe in late July/early August last year when some areas of the UK had the hot spell. When the previous hottest UK temperature record was set in 2003, Europe was in the grip of a major heatwave. Late in the summer of 2018 (IIRC) Spain and Portugal had a spell which saw temperatures reaching the high forties which came close to breaking their all-time records. Yet I have no memory of unusually hot conditions being reported anywhere in Europe either last summer or the previous one.


One thing that could be, and likely is, changing is the behaviour of the jet stream. It has more influence on the British climate that virtually anything else.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


The temperature chart for 31st July 2020 at 1600 UTC clearly shows very high temperatures over France that are being imported into the UK resulting in temperatures at Heathrow to climb over 36C:


http://www.meteociel.fr/observations-meteo/temperatures.php?archive=1&region=&mode=&jour=31&mois=7&annee=2020&heure=16&mode=&sub=OK


It's a similar story for August 7th, with even more extreme temperatures over France by then:
http://www.meteociel.fr/observations-meteo/temperatures.php?archive=1&region=&mode=&jour=7&mois=8&annee=2020&heure=16&mode=&sub=OK


 

ballamar
14 February 2021 16:12:09
Next weekend looking lovely - hope to see 16/17 - problem I have to is the likely cool down after I get used to the warm
picturesareme
14 February 2021 16:37:56


 


34C certainly has been unusual: it only happened 17 years in the whole 20th century, so one year in six on average. 


In the 21st century so far it has happened nine years out of 20, so almost half. 


Looking at the last decade (2011-2020) it has happened in seven out of 10 years. 


And looking at the last five years it has been reached every every single year, 2016-2020!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I'm guessing that's 17 times as the daily max but then how many more day's that exceed that šŸ¤”  It's probably a safe assumption at least 8 days.. If so then we could say 34C or higher is a 1/4 year event att the very least.

Gooner
14 February 2021 16:55:49


Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo  


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Whether Idle
14 February 2021 17:00:30



Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo  


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I wouldn't get too upset about charts at 336 hours, Marcus.


 


Nevertheless.  


My response is Yes!



Im still hunting down cold til the end of winter.


March 23rd


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Retron
14 February 2021 17:09:05


 


Im still hunting down cold til the end of winter.


March 23rd


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Feb 28th as per the Met Office, we're not American (or on an astronomy forum).


That said, I'd be up for cold, no matter how fleeting, any time of year. We had sleet in May back in the 90s and I'd be more than happy for a repeat, no matter how unlikely.


I do wonder whether we will get a third "echo" easterly though. We had that thoroughly miserable one in January (which dumped two inches of cold rain), this one (which gave around an inch of rain equivalent here)... and knowing how patterns repeat, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was one in say early to mid March. Especially as I suspect that third reversal is yet to fully show its effects on the troposphere...


 


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hobensotwo
14 February 2021 17:38:39
I see the 12z op has joined the cold outliers club at the end of the run šŸ˜†. On a serious note though does seem like an outside possibility of a colder snap developing at the turn of the month. Nothing more than that at this stage.
I'm up for 1 more chase, then onto spring warming.
tallyho_83
14 February 2021 17:53:49



Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo  


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Nothing wrong with that chart 336z away which will not verify - Also - it is STILL winter after all. 


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sunny coast
14 February 2021 17:57:53

[quote=nsrobins;1319554]There is a bit of traction long term for HLB again and my preference would be a good old fashioned Northerly. Only a remote chance but after a virtually snow-free winter here I’d take anything.[/quote


indeed but I fear you may remain snow free in Portsmouth in a Northerly ! ]

Downpour
14 February 2021 18:48:51
Winter is over.

Roll on spring.
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Snow Hoper
14 February 2021 19:03:00
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sunny coast
14 February 2021 19:03:55

Winter is over.

Roll on spring.

Originally Posted by: Downpour 


 


Yes one like 2020 would be nice but  that may be wishful thinking!

Downpour
14 February 2021 19:12:48


 


 


Yes one like 2020 would be nice but  that may be wishful thinking!


Originally Posted by: sunny coast 


 


Indeed! Here’s hoping though.


Next weekend looks lovely down here. 


Temps troubling 70F. Won’t quite make that but might not be too far away.


Had plenty of snow and ice.


 


ROLL ON SPRING.


Chingford
London E4
147ft
Downpour
14 February 2021 19:15:57


 


Feb 28th as per the Met Office, we're not American (or on an astronomy forum).


That said, I'd be up for cold, no matter how fleeting, any time of year. We had sleet in May back in the 90s and I'd be more than happy for a repeat, no matter how unlikely.


I do wonder whether we will get a third "echo" easterly though. We had that thoroughly miserable one in January (which dumped two inches of cold rain), this one (which gave around an inch of rain equivalent here)... and knowing how patterns repeat, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was one in say early to mid March. Especially as I suspect that third reversal is yet to fully show its effects on the troposphere...


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


In fairness, winter runs 21 Dec to 21 Mar - it is set by the cosmos not a bloke in a beige tie in the Civil Service.


However, this year it’s all irrelevant as we are going to get an early spring, after a winter to remember!


70F possible this coming weekend. A far cry from the snow and ice of recent times. 


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London E4
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