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Taylor1740
18 November 2021 12:41:18
6z GEFS show the mean and the vast majority of ensembles members at -5c 850s or below until the end of the month from Sunday. So quite a lengthy period of below average temperatures based on that looking likely.
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polarwind
18 November 2021 13:04:31


A set of 'back to the 70s' charts. We lived in Manchester around that time and you could absolutely count on the Snake Pass being blocked by snow in the last week of November


Originally Posted by: DEW 

Yes, that's been my thoughts about the trend for two years now as indicated by reduced SW to NE jet stream flow with associated low pressure systems over the North Atlantic and an increased NW to SE movement of low pressure systems into Europe.


It's perhaps no coincidence that Arctic Ice area ecovery this year has been faster than recent years?


 


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Brian Gaze
18 November 2021 13:12:47


A set of 'back to the 70s' charts. We lived in Manchester around that time and you could absolutely count on the Snake Pass being blocked by snow in the last week of November


Originally Posted by: DEW 


Was the RAC rally held in late November? I seem to recall there was often snow during it in the 1980s.


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Russwirral
18 November 2021 13:43:46


 


Was the RAC rally held in late November? I seem to recall there was often snow during it in the 1980s.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Yeh I remember a few segments through north wales, was always a couple of runs through snowy patches...


nsrobins
18 November 2021 15:22:05

ICON first out the blocks and at 144 the Atlantic high is much further North, setting up a decent Northerly to follow from this point instead of a deep low dropping across the UK as per the 06Z offering.


You can tell something's in the air when I start to comment on each run before it's complete. Must avoid it really


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Saint Snow
18 November 2021 15:34:00


You can tell something's in the air when I start to comment on each run before it's complete. Must avoid it really


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


 



 


I remember the days when there'd be about half a dozen people simultaneously posting as the runs came out. Ahhhh.... nostalgia 



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Joe Bloggs
18 November 2021 16:41:59


 


 



 


I remember the days when there'd be about half a dozen people simultaneously posting as the runs came out. Ahhhh.... nostalgia 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yeah now nobody gives a flying ****! The old days were fun. πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚


We are a bunch of cynical old trouts. 


I’ve kept quiet about the upcoming spell - I don’t see anything to be massively excited about quite yet, especially since the block looks to become a bit flabbier than first modelled, although plenty of time for change.


Make no bones about it though - the outlook is generally cold. 

Aware this is the 06z.



 



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nsrobins
18 November 2021 16:43:36


 


 



 


I remember the days when there'd be about half a dozen people simultaneously posting as the runs came out. Ahhhh.... nostalgia 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Indeed


The UKMO again looks very clean with the main Northerly next week, whilst GFS again complicates things with jinxy shortwaves developing in the 'corridor of uncertainty' and pushing down from the NW. I wouldn't bet against GFS as it's pretty good in these situations - to a certain point.


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Russwirral
18 November 2021 16:45:13
Much tamer plunge on this run... more very cold rain/showers
Brian Gaze
18 November 2021 17:13:19

Snow over the Scottish hills?


 


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/ukmetuk.aspx?run=12&charthour=168&chartname=precip_type&chartregion=uk-region&charttag=Precip%20type


 


 


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doctormog
18 November 2021 17:40:46
Yes there should be snow on the Scottish hills on Sunday with a milder blip then colder again from midweek with the snow line dropping a bit.
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18 November 2021 17:44:27


 


Was the RAC rally held in late November? I seem to recall there was often snow during it in the 1980s.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Used to be 3rd week of November. Search <RAC Rally 1980> or whatever year for exact dates. Now called the Welsh Rally, this year just about to happen i.e. 19th-21st Nov.


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Ally Pally Snowman
18 November 2021 18:25:25


 


Used to be 3rd week of November. Search <RAC Rally 1980> or whatever year for exact dates. Now called the Welsh Rally, this year just about to happen i.e. 19th-21st Nov.


Originally Posted by: DEW 


The 1993 Rac rally was very snowy . I had it on VHS for some reason. Colin McRae in his pomp.


 


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roadrunnerajn
18 November 2021 18:47:39

RAC rally in 1988 was also snowy. 


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18 November 2021 18:52:48

ECM too far west to be of use to people down here


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ballamar
18 November 2021 18:56:58
ECM just another option could turn out quite wet
DPower
18 November 2021 19:40:01

Severe cold weather lovers might ( JFF) want to check out the daily cfs 9mois  from 12z yesterday. The period between 27th Dec and middle of Jan, incredible synoptics.


As for todays runs. Not really surprised after the trend the last 24 hours. Looking forward the trend could continue until we are looking at each other asking what happened to the northerly we were meant to have, then again we could see a gradual backtrack again  to something much colder and wintry for whole country


More runs needed me thinks.

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18 November 2021 19:45:18


 


The 1993 Rac rally was very snowy . I had it on VHS for some reason. Colin McRae in his pomp.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


It was so snowy there wasn't much footage.
They went through North Yorkshire forests we had about a foot of snow you could hardly get anywhere


Essan
18 November 2021 20:09:05

As an aside, this weekend is the 50th anniversary of the Cairngorm Tragedy. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairngorm_Plateau_disaster

I think the 'Gorms are currently snow free .... (though that may change in the coming days - but nothing on a par with 1971)


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Gusty
18 November 2021 20:23:06

More emphasis tonight on cyclonic cool and unsettled conditions from Thursday rather than the clean cold northerly being more widely modelled previously. There is more of a struggle to get the -5c (850Hpa) isotherm into England. Variations on a theme that hasn't really deviated for a few days now.   


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doctormog
18 November 2021 20:35:32


As an aside, this weekend is the 50th anniversary of the Cairngorm Tragedy. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairngorm_Plateau_disaster

I think the 'Gorms are currently snow free .... (though that may change in the coming days - but nothing on a par with 1971)


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Goodness, I had never heard of that incident. How awful. 


White Meadows
18 November 2021 20:45:05


 


Goodness, I had never heard of that incident. How awful. 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Just read the whole article. Truly terrible. Those poor little blighters. Reminds us of the power of nature. 

Saint Snow
18 November 2021 21:40:45


As an aside, this weekend is the 50th anniversary of the Cairngorm Tragedy. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairngorm_Plateau_disaster

I think the 'Gorms are currently snow free .... (though that may change in the coming days - but nothing on a par with 1971)


Originally Posted by: Essan 


 


I had no idea of that tragedy, and have just read about it. So sad. Even the leaders were little more than kids.


Don't understand why the authorities later knocked down the high-level shelters. I think I go with the principle that any shelter is better than no shelter. 



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