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doctormog
28 November 2022 17:24:41

That's the about to be retired OP - going out in style!
More runs needed? 😂

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 



The overall pattern on the parallel run is not that different. It's still a very interesting outlook in the medium term with the potential for anything from average and relatively settled conditions to something a good deal more wintry. Too early to say which will prevail just yet but the seemingly never ending milder than average conditions of late look like coming to an end.
Whiteout
28 November 2022 17:29:03

That's the about to be retired OP - going out in style!
More runs needed? 😂

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 



We should bookmark it, wouldn't it be funny if for once a T+360 chart actually came off 🤣
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The Beast from the East
28 November 2022 17:33:15

The overall pattern on the parallel run is not that different. It's still a very interesting outlook in the medium term with the potential for anything from average and relatively settled conditions to something a good deal more wintry. Too early to say which will prevail just yet but the seemingly never ending milder than average conditions of late look like coming to an end.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


That spoiler low shows how hard it is to get a clean easterly in this country, especially for the south. I remember Darren's thread about mid winter easterlies from a few years back. I dont think we have had one since Dec/Jan 97
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doctormog
28 November 2022 17:36:15

That spoiler low shows how hard it is to get a clean easterly in this country, especially for the south. I remember Darren's thread about mid winter easterlies from a few years back. I dont think we have had one since Dec/Jan 97

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 



This is true but there is a lot of water (and runs) to go under the bridge before this becomes anything more than a hypothetical discussion of possibilities. When the day comes we could be in roaring southwesterlies or biting easterlies given the timescale. The current trend is for blocking in areas conducive to cold for the UK but as we all know it's never that simple.
dagspot
28 November 2022 17:36:38
can we honestly be choosy about when (if any) colder weather comes?! 
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The Beast from the East
28 November 2022 17:37:01
https://modeles16.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2022112812/gens-5-1-192.png 

Pert 5 would be ideal. all that is missing is deep cold pool
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The Beast from the East
28 November 2022 17:40:44

This is true but there is a lot of water (and runs) to go under the bridge before this becomes anything more than a hypothetical discussion of possibilities. When the day comes we could be in roaring southwesterlies or biting easterlies given the timescale. The current trend is for blocking in areas conducive to cold for the UK but as we all know it's never that simple.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 



Sadly the press have already jumped the gun, lets hope it does come off this time

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doctormog
28 November 2022 17:51:26

Sadly the press have already jumped the gun, lets hope it does come off this time

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 



Sounds like one of your chat up lines. 😃
Jiries
28 November 2022 19:00:33
I notice every time the Press printed this nonsense we lose the cold spell.  In the past when I used to buy newspapers they never put this nonsense headlines but only mentioned of any events for today or next day or yesterday reports.  There was no mentioned of Feb 1991 big freeze on the way 2 weeks or 1 week to that, only the day before it arrive and reports what happening every day that it.  More accurate and no curse on that.
David M Porter
28 November 2022 19:04:31
Interesting ECM 12z.
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Brian Gaze
28 November 2022 19:07:27
Yes a very interesting end to the ECM 12z tonight.

PS: The GFS upgrade is postponed to Wednesday.

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Gusty
28 November 2022 19:30:43
Wo wo wo wo wo...steady on guys. Careful now. 😁
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Ally Pally Snowman
28 November 2022 19:53:11
Hell of a ECM Op and mean! What could possibly go wrong😁.
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UncleAlbert
28 November 2022 20:15:27

I notice every time the Press printed this nonsense we lose the cold spell.  In the past when I used to buy newspapers they never put this nonsense headlines but only mentioned of any events for today or next day or yesterday reports.  There was no mentioned of Feb 1991 big freeze on the way 2 weeks or 1 week to that, only the day before it arrive and reports what happening every day that it.  More accurate and no curse on that.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 



In all fairness, that far ahead, even the Met Office didn't have much more of a clue than Mystic Meg in those days🙂

Any way, on current models, the clustering on the Northern ens is rather impressive this evening.

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Gooner
28 November 2022 20:28:06

 https://content-eu.invisioncic.com/d321955/monthly_2022_11/20221128_195224.thumb.jpg.afb4046bc4951dfbbe90d5722e9b2f89.jpg 

Stunning mean from ECM
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Saint Snow
28 November 2022 21:04:23

Sounds like one of your chat up lines. 😃

Originally Posted by: doctormog 



🤣 🤣

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Hippydave
28 November 2022 21:15:01

Hell of a ECM Op and mean! What could possibly go wrong😁.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



Well from an IMBY POV and just looking at the Op I'd say the fact the Greenie HP is too far West and the LP is too close meaning milder air is being pulled up towards my neck of the woods. Hard to say if it would stall close to where the T240 chart has it, which would run the risk of dragging fairly mild air up over a chunk of the southern half of the UK or move further East and help to drag the properly cold air right down the country. (That's a pessimistic view but it does all look a bit too far West for my liking, which does encourage LPs on a NE trajectory and blocking the cold air from getting all the way down the country. Obviously not an issue for those further North than me, particularly N. England and Scotland!).




 
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Gandalf The White
28 November 2022 21:19:11

Interesting ECM 12z.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 



LOL.

The mean chart at Day 10 is extraordinary in the strength of the signal for a Greenland block.
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Martybhoy
28 November 2022 21:24:06
This is getting quite exciting. I love this forum at this time of year.
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ballamar
28 November 2022 21:24:29
When all of that late warm air was pumped North, there was always potential like this. Be interesting how it could impact the jet stream if it could make it go south as a semi permanent feature or if it could induce the stratosphere temp to alter 
Gandalf The White
28 November 2022 21:55:04

When all of that late warm air was pumped North, there was always potential like this. Be interesting how it could impact the jet stream if it could make it go south as a semi permanent feature or if it could induce the stratosphere temp to alter 

Originally Posted by: ballamar 



This is one of those 'chicken or the egg' questions.  I think it's at least partly the case that it's the jet stream buckling that creates the warm air advection: it has been the stalling low pressures that have driven the warm air north on their eastern flank. The question, I think, is for how long that upper block then influences the jet stream pattern because we've all seen situations where the block is driven aside by a strong surge of the jet.

 
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Brian Gaze
28 November 2022 22:14:39
ECM ENS 12z looks to contain more cold runs than this morning's 00z update.

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ballamar
28 November 2022 22:33:26

This is one of those 'chicken or the egg' questions.  I think it's at least partly the case that it's the jet stream buckling that creates the warm air advection: it has been the stalling low pressures that have driven the warm air north on their eastern flank. The question, I think, is for how long that upper block then influences the jet stream pattern because we've all seen situations where the block is driven aside by a strong surge of the jet.

 

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


the block at the moment does seem extreme, but as you say a surge can move a cold stubborn block very quickly. Although stubborn highs have been prominent this year
Gooner
28 November 2022 22:56:01

 https://modeles16.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfsp/runs/2022112818/gfsnh-0-306.png?18 

 Crazy crazy chart from the para
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Rob K
28 November 2022 23:16:56
Day 10 on the iPhone weather app now showing a max of 2C even down here. 
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