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ozone_aurora
30 May 2024 13:52:25
What are your thoughts on the coming Summer of 2024?
picturesareme
30 May 2024 13:56:49
Little above. Mixed summer with some unsettled weather but with a few notable heatwaves thrown in. Definitely expecting more classic Spanish plumes than we've seen in recent years.
ozone_aurora
30 May 2024 14:01:33
My feelings is that it'll be a mixed but generally unsettled Summer, frequently convective in nature with some localised torrential "news breaking' downpours very likely. I think the temperatures will be around or slightly above normal overall but nights being quite warm, as I think there'll be a lot of cloudy conditions.

Of course, I could be wrong and its best to wait for official forecast from TWO experts. Having said that, I think it's be wise not to expect much from this summer.
Hungry Tiger
30 May 2024 14:02:49
Great thread I'll sticky this as well as it's a very useful and highly topical issue and it also stops any of us going off topic on the model output thread.   🙂  
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Hungry Tiger
30 May 2024 14:04:53
I'll sticky it until the beginning of September I.e the end of summer.  
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Chunky Pea
30 May 2024 14:20:57

My feelings is that it'll be a mixed but generally unsettled Summer, frequently convective in nature with some localised torrential "news breaking' downpours very likely. I think the temperatures will be around or slightly above normal overall but nights being quite warm, as I think there'll be a lot of cloudy conditions.

Of course, I could be wrong and its best to wait for official forecast from TWO experts. Having said that, I think it's be wise not to expect much from this summer.

Originally Posted by: ozone_aurora 



Pretty much how I would speculate this coming summer as well. Short lived hot spells with intense convective breakdowns and a lot of cloudy weather in-between.
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johncs2016
30 May 2024 14:53:33
Of course, most of us will be hoping for a decent summer and for that to happen, it should be warmer than average, drier than average and sunnier than average.

As regards to being warmer than average, that shouldn't be much of issue because in this modern era of climate change and global warming, every season always ends up being warmer than average anyway these days.

However, we are now coming towards the end of what has been a thoroughly wet and miserable spring here and we haven't even had a single sunnier than average month since January.

As a result, even our farmers and growers will no doubt be hoping for a decent summer in order to dry out the ground a bit and hopefully at least be able to salvage something before harvesting starts in the latter part of the summer and into the autumn.

That of course, is a far cry from this time last year when we were concerned about possible water shortages and were crying out for some rain.

At the moment, we are transitioning from El Nino back into La Nina in the Equatorial Pacific Ocean and when that transition has happened more quickly in the past, that has tended to result in a poor summer here.

However, this year's transition in the ENSO state appears to happening much more gradually and that in the past has tended to favour a decent summer.

However, recent conditions have been so bad that it's going to take quite a massive shift in our current weather pattern to give us even the remotest chance of decent summer this year and given that we're now only two days away from the start of the meteorological summer, time has already almost run out for that to happen on time.

Because of that, I reckon that the summer will start off on a fairly unsettled note though (hopefully) not as wet as it has been lately.

However, we're bound to at least get a decent spell of weather at some point in time, and I reckon that this will come later on in the summer season.

Furthermore, I reckon that the transition back towards La Nina might bring us back into a much drier pattern and so, I can see the summer being a back-loaded one which very slowly and gradually improves over time with the best weather possibly coming in August.

Having said that though, we're likely to get an active hurricane season and that could bring the remnants of old hurricanes more into play here as get towards the latter part of the summer in particular but if these take a path which is out to our west, that could well promote high pressure ahead of that and over the UK which could further enhance our chances of getting a decent end to the summer.
 
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30 May 2024 15:07:53
My feeling is we’ll get a decent one. Not always sunny and some occasional wet days but some heat as well.  I’d prefer sunny and 23c for three months, with rain at night, but the weather gods tend not to be on my side.  
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Andy J
30 May 2024 15:27:52
Here's my thoughts for the coming Summer, based on various indicators such as ENSO, Atlantic SST anomalies, the QBO and recent 500mb anomalies.

June looks like it will be quite warm and potentially thundery. Lower pressure will tend to feature close to the southwest of the UK, and higher pressure to the northeast.  Therefore winds tending to be often between south and east.  Locally wet in southern Britain from thundery rain episodes, probably drier further north.  June will probably have the best chance of tapping into some proper heat (high 20's/low 30's), at least briefly.

I see quite a switch in weather patterns for July.  Much more of a westerly driven month and increasingly windy the further north you go.  The jet stream may force Low Pressure areas to take a track over the top of a mid-Atlantic High and then southeastwards into NW Europe, pushing the focus of any real heat into the Med and Eastern Europe.  So for the UK, probably quite unsettled and cool at times in northern Britain, more decent in southern areas and possibly a slightly warm month.  

For August, I'm seeing an improvement across the whole of the UK, still a largely westerly driven month but with High Pressure in the Atlantic drifting into the UK more often, giving most of the country some decent dry and quite warm spells.  Still unsettled in the north, but less so than July.  Overall quite warm and dry in Southern Britain, nearer average further north.

For the Summer overall, probably rainfall fairly close to average across the board, but locally wet where thunderstorms occur.   For temperatures, I expect southern areas to have a rather warm Summer, but nearer average further north.

 
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Hungry Tiger
30 May 2024 18:36:39

Here's my thoughts for the coming Summer, based on various indicators such as ENSO, Atlantic SST anomalies, the QBO and recent 500mb anomalies.

June looks like it will be quite warm and potentially thundery. Lower pressure will tend to feature close to the southwest of the UK, and higher pressure to the northeast.  Therefore winds tending to be often between south and east.  Locally wet in southern Britain from thundery rain episodes, probably drier further north.  June will probably have the best chance of tapping into some proper heat (high 20's/low 30's), at least briefly.

I see quite a switch in weather patterns for July.  Much more of a westerly driven month and increasingly windy the further north you go.  The jet stream may force Low Pressure areas to take a track over the top of a mid-Atlantic High and then southeastwards into NW Europe, pushing the focus of any real heat into the Med and Eastern Europe.  So for the UK, probably quite unsettled and cool at times in northern Britain, more decent in southern areas and possibly a slightly warm month.  

For August, I'm seeing an improvement across the whole of the UK, still a largely westerly driven month but with High Pressure in the Atlantic drifting into the UK more often, giving most of the country some decent dry and quite warm spells.  Still unsettled in the north, but less so than July.  Overall quite warm and dry in Southern Britain, nearer average further north.

For the Summer overall, probably rainfall fairly close to average across the board, but locally wet where thunderstorms occur.   For temperatures, I expect southern areas to have a rather warm Summer, but nearer average further north.

 

Originally Posted by: Andy J 


I maybe wrong but I think that's a brave forecast. Almost implies an average to good summer.  🙂 
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Saint Snow
30 May 2024 20:38:04
This is what I put in the MO thread:

I think we're due a decent summer - and I'm basing this on nothing but a theory that this spring has been unusually unsettled throughout, stemming from some similarly unusual synoptics, and so I've a hunch we'll get more settled weather through the summer, especially in July & August.



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31 May 2024 05:56:56

This is what I put in the MO thread:

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I would pretty much go with that.  This month, we’ve had some pretty dire days with wind and rain but it’s quickly changed to very warm and sunny.  Overall May has been above average here with quite a few days in the mid 20’s and not a single frost.  I think we’ll see some similar swings in weather during the summer but not as much. 
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Ally Pally Snowman
31 May 2024 06:35:24

Little above. Mixed summer with some unsettled weather but with a few notable heatwaves thrown in. Definitely expecting more classic Spanish plumes than we've seen in recent years.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



This is a good punt , not far off my thoughts. Significant heat already showing its hand in southern Europe.  Hard to see the UK avoiding it all Summer, but you never know.
 
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31 May 2024 10:56:56
The Met Office contingency planner forecast is now out for the 3 summer* months. Not surprisingly they show that a hot summer is most likely and the likelihood rises from June to summer overall.  This implies a warming trend as the summer progresses. The likelihood of wet weather also decreases slightly from June to the whole of summer which indicates a drying trend too. Overall I was surprised that the chance of a wet summer is about average.

So the conclusion is that there is a reasonable chance that July and August might be quite decent. 

Obviously these are all based on probabilities and in reality we could still get a washout. 

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/metofficegovuk/pdf/business/public-sector/civil-contingency/3moutlook_jja_v1.pdf 

* - other definitions of summer are available

 
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Matty H
31 May 2024 20:28:58

The Met Office contingency planner forecast is now out for the 3 summer* months. Not surprisingly they show that a hot summer is most likely and the likelihood rises from June to summer overall.  This implies a warming trend as the summer progresses. The likelihood of wet weather also decreases slightly from June to the whole of summer which indicates a drying trend too. Overall I was surprised that the chance of a wet summer is about average.

So the conclusion is that there is a reasonable chance that July and August might be quite decent. 

Obviously these are all based on probabilities and in reality we could still get a washout. 

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/metofficegovuk/pdf/business/public-sector/civil-contingency/3moutlook_jja_v1.pdf 

* - other definitions of summer are available

 

Originally Posted by: GezM 



Their summer forecast last year was horrendous. I think it said something along the lines of increasing heatwaves. Summer was basically done with us all in June in terms of high temps for any period of time
Bolty
31 May 2024 22:00:13
I agree with most of what's been said. Personally, I think we're probably looking at quite a mixed summer with a few Spanish plume events interspersed with cooler and wetter periods. Overall, I'd say it will balance out to a slightly warmer and wetter than average summer.

I hope it's a decent one for thunderstorms this year anyway. It does seem like it could be as well, given the current state of the atmosphere...
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Jiries
31 May 2024 22:47:07

Their summer forecast last year was horrendous. I think it said something along the lines of increasing heatwaves. Summer was basically done with us all in June in terms of high temps for any period of time

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



It was and still puzzled why they claiming a record high June last year?  Temperature sdid not go to 35-40C, or 25-30C for weeks?  My view for a last warm June was 2018 when I had temperatures 22-30C non-stop with 4 days in high teens and average was 23.8C with many sunny dry days.  Last year was only short one mostly in the middle then gone afterr the 20th June.

June 1976 and 2018 was the real warm reocrd months.
cultman1
01 June 2024 20:58:18
I am going for a cooler than average summer with the continuation of rainy periods and windy spells especially for the eastern side with HP blocking out to the west . There will be some short lived drier and warm spells but the emphasis is on a cloudy and cooler summer 
Ally Pally Snowman
07 June 2024 20:59:02
I'm as confident as I can be about the next 2 to 3 weeks being a write off. These blocks are a nightmare in summer to move. After that who knows but wouldn't surprise me if it's a very poor summer little or no settled and warm spells. 60s throwback is my punt. Hope I'm wrong.
 
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Saint Snow
08 June 2024 11:22:34
I'm thinking a more 'school summer holidays' summer this year, where the best weather happens in the second half of the summer.

That'd be my punt

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Ally Pally Snowman
09 June 2024 21:24:47
Going to have a go at some temp predictions for Summer. We have an Omega block set up in the wrong place for the UK just like last July and August , that brought us 8 weeks of basically rubbish I think we will have a similar situation this year but obviously starting a month earlier. We also have significant HLB this year making it even worse. So my predictions are dire.

JUNE - won't hit 25c at all.

JULY - Scrape 25c/26c a couple of times but generally low 20s at best.

AUGUST- The best month but struggle for heat so the odd 28c here and there. 


Hope I'm wrong and we get a 76 redux.

 
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Ally Pally Snowman
10 June 2024 07:11:25

1991 - 2020 Warmest
2018    16.10
2017    16.00
2003    15.90
2005    15.80
2006    15.80

1991 - 2020 Coldest
1991    11.90
2012    13.50
2013    13.60
2011    13.70
1999    13.80

Just looking at the warmest and coldest June's of the last 33 years and you can see a cold June rarely leads to a good rest of Summer only 2013 has half decent in this list the rest being poor. But conversely warm June's often lead to good Summers. All decent on that list with 03, 06 and 18 being all time classics. Obviously last year proved good June's dont always lead to good Summers. But we will need something extraordinary for this summer to turn out good with June being so poor. 
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springsunshine
11 June 2024 14:14:35

1991 - 2020 Warmest
2018    16.10
2017    16.00
2003    15.90
2005    15.80
2006    15.80

1991 - 2020 Coldest
1991    11.90
2012    13.50
2013    13.60
2011    13.70
1999    13.80

Just looking at the warmest and coldest June's of the last 33 years and you can see a cold June rarely leads to a good rest of Summer only 2013 has half decent in this list the rest being poor. But conversely warm June's often lead to good Summers. All decent on that list with 03, 06 and 18 being all time classics. Obviously last year proved good June's dont always lead to good Summers. But we will need something extraordinary for this summer to turn out good with June being so poor. 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



Then there was 1995. A mediocre June followed by intense and prolonged heat for all of July and August.
It could happen again this year but somehow i doubt it very much!
Rob K
12 June 2024 07:01:43
Am interesting thread on Twitter showing Copernicus data and probability charts for July to September. 

Broad-brush stuff, but the UK is showing with positive temperature anomalies and negative rainfall and (mostly) cloud cover anomalies! Don’t give up on summer yet. 

https://x.com/bennollweather/status/1800593598834237674?s=46&t=pi-PW2h-zayk3Ew8WL18KA 
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Retron
12 June 2024 07:55:59

Going to have a go at some temp predictions for Summer. We have an Omega block set up in the wrong place for the UK just like last July and August , that brought us 8 weeks of basically rubbish I think we will have a similar situation this year but obviously starting a month earlier. We also have significant HLB this year making it even worse. So my predictions are dire.

JUNE - won't hit 25c at all.

JULY - Scrape 25c/26c a couple of times but generally low 20s at best.

AUGUST- The best month but struggle for heat so the odd 28c here and there. 

Hope I'm wrong and we get a 76 redux.
 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


You will be wrong, but we won't get a 76 redux. That's my prediction, anyway!

I reckon you can add 5C to each of those temperatures you mention, and bear in mind 30C is almost certain to be reached - the last time it wasn't was 31 years ago! And as for 28 being the max (I wish), you'd have to go back 50 years - 1974 was the last time the max was a rounded 28C.

https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1875.html 

EDIT: And we already have a rounded 28 in the bag for this year, as the max so far is 27.5.
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