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Gooner
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 8:09:05 AM


Looks like Fabreghastly will be going after all, and my information was correct.


Brian Gaze wrote:


I would be amazed if Wenger sold him with just a week to go, why do that and leave him no time at all to get a replacement? He ( Wenger) has dug his heels in all Summer why change his stance now?


Where are you getting your info from Brian?


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Brian Gaze
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 8:28:56 AM



Looks like Fabreghastly will be going after all, and my information was correct.


Gooner wrote:


I would be amazed if Wenger sold him with just a week to go, why do that and leave him no time at all to get a replacement? He ( Wenger) has dug his heels in all Summer why change his stance now?


Where are you getting your info from Brian?


Brian Gaze wrote:


My original info late last season that he was going was from a good local source. We've got a lot of people connected with th club around here as you can probably imagine. That then looked like it would be wrong and that he'd be staying. This morning I read something on my iPhone suggesting he would be quitting in the next couple of days - can't remember which site it was on though. We'll find out soon enough. I know some people would like Wenger to dig his heels in and put Fabreghastly in the reserves as a punishment. Arsenal will win nothing this year IMO -too unsettled already. 


Brian Gaze
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Gooner
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 8:36:07 AM




Looks like Fabreghastly will be going after all, and my information was correct.


Brian Gaze wrote:


I would be amazed if Wenger sold him with just a week to go, why do that and leave him no time at all to get a replacement? He ( Wenger) has dug his heels in all Summer why change his stance now?


Where are you getting your info from Brian?


Gooner wrote:


My original info late last season that he was going was from a good local source. We've got a lot of people connected with th club around here as you can probably imagine. That then looked like it would be wrong and that he'd be staying. This morning I read something on my iPhone suggesting he would be quitting in the next couple of days - can't remember which site it was on though. We'll find out soon enough. I know some people would like Wenger to dig his heels in and put Fabreghastly in the reserves as a punishment. Arsenal will win nothing this year IMO -too unsettled already. 


Brian Gaze wrote:


Understand that , its not up tpo Fabregas to quit though is it. Arsenal wont sell if the money isnt there. Wenger will lose face massively if he sells this late in the day. Madness IMO


Arsenal wont win a thing( agreed) until Wenger realises he does have to spend a bit of money, his problem is that he revamps every year.


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Marcus
Banbury
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Gooner
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 8:41:31 AM

Now The Daily Mail reports that the Fabregas family may have even spoken to president Sandro Rosell, imploring him to push harder to ensure that the potential deal reaches fruition


This is the latest I can find about CF


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Brian Gaze
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 8:41:48 AM


Arsenal wont win a thing( agreed) until Wenger realises he does have to spend a bit of money, his problem is that he revamps every year.


Gooner wrote:


I don't follow it massively, but from what I've heard there's little or no appetite to fire him in the club. But whether he'll sign a new contract after this season is open to debate.


Brian Gaze
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SEMerc
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 8:42:47 AM



Sol Campbell - looking good for the new season. That's some tetra pack he has.



wallaw wrote:


I'm just hoping that this is the start of another utterly dismal Prem campaign for the filthy scum next door


SEMerc wrote:


Don't hold back on your utter contempt for the Mags.

Brian Gaze
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 8:45:28 AM


Now The Daily Mail reports that the Fabregas family may have even spoken to president Sandro Rosell, imploring him to push harder to ensure that the potential deal reaches fruition


This is the latest I can find about CF


Gooner wrote:


Whether or not there's a lot of show boating taking place and the agreement to let him go was taken months ago must be open to debate.


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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wallaw
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 8:49:22 AM




Sol Campbell - looking good for the new season. That's some tetra pack he has.



SEMerc wrote:


I'm just hoping that this is the start of another utterly dismal Prem campaign for the filthy scum next door


wallaw wrote:


Don't hold back on your utter contempt for the Mags.


SEMerc wrote:


I did!! But only as it's a family forum. Just you wait until they get a point out of their first game and they are talking of Europe


Ian


Stockton-on-Tees

SEMerc
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 8:58:18 AM



Now The Daily Mail reports that the Fabregas family may have even spoken to president Sandro Rosell, imploring him to push harder to ensure that the potential deal reaches fruition


This is the latest I can find about CF


Brian Gaze wrote:


Whether or not there's a lot of show boating taking place and the agreement to let him go was taken months ago must be open to debate.


Gooner wrote:


FWIW, I reckon Fabregas will go in the January transfer window. That will allow Wanger to both save face and keep the Spanish waiters in Catalonia happy.


I have a sneaking suspicion (although admittedly it's unlikely) that Wanger is trying to do a deal for Ozil, who would seem to be a natural replacement and, in many ways, is a more gifted footballer. Of course, United, Chelsea and Real Madrid would have something to say about that.

Gooner
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:01:44 AM




Now The Daily Mail reports that the Fabregas family may have even spoken to president Sandro Rosell, imploring him to push harder to ensure that the potential deal reaches fruition


This is the latest I can find about CF


SEMerc wrote:


Whether or not there's a lot of show boating taking place and the agreement to let him go was taken months ago must be open to debate.


Brian Gaze wrote:


FWIW, I reckon Fabregas will go in the January transfer window. That will allow Wanger to both save face and keep the Spanish waiters in Catalonia happy.


I have a sneaking suspicion (although admittedly it's unlikely) that Wanger is trying to do a deal for Ozil, who would seem to be a natural replacement and, in many ways, is a more gifted footballer. Of course, United, Chelsea and Real Madrid would have something to say about that.


Gooner wrote:


Would he really go in january if Arsenal are still in the Champs league?? I think this will be his last full season at the club


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


SEMerc
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:06:16 AM





Now The Daily Mail reports that the Fabregas family may have even spoken to president Sandro Rosell, imploring him to push harder to ensure that the potential deal reaches fruition


This is the latest I can find about CF


Gooner wrote:


Whether or not there's a lot of show boating taking place and the agreement to let him go was taken months ago must be open to debate.


SEMerc wrote:


FWIW, I reckon Fabregas will go in the January transfer window. That will allow Wanger to both save face and keep the Spanish waiters in Catalonia happy.


I have a sneaking suspicion (although admittedly it's unlikely) that Wanger is trying to do a deal for Ozil, who would seem to be a natural replacement and, in many ways, is a more gifted footballer. Of course, United, Chelsea and Real Madrid would have something to say about that.


Brian Gaze wrote:


Would he really go in january if Arsenal are still in the Champs league?? I think this will be his last full season at the club


Gooner wrote:


It could come down to the availability of Ozil. The Germans are often difficult to negotiate with and maybe are dragging things out. All of this assumes Wenger is interested in Ozil of course.


I don't think the Champions League is that important in the general scheme of things, especially when we are talking about the availability of world class players.

wallaw
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:14:25 AM






Now The Daily Mail reports that the Fabregas family may have even spoken to president Sandro Rosell, imploring him to push harder to ensure that the potential deal reaches fruition


This is the latest I can find about CF


SEMerc wrote:


Whether or not there's a lot of show boating taking place and the agreement to let him go was taken months ago must be open to debate.


Gooner wrote:


FWIW, I reckon Fabregas will go in the January transfer window. That will allow Wanger to both save face and keep the Spanish waiters in Catalonia happy.


I have a sneaking suspicion (although admittedly it's unlikely) that Wanger is trying to do a deal for Ozil, who would seem to be a natural replacement and, in many ways, is a more gifted footballer. Of course, United, Chelsea and Real Madrid would have something to say about that.


SEMerc wrote:


Would he really go in january if Arsenal are still in the Champs league?? I think this will be his last full season at the club


Brian Gaze wrote:


It could come down to the availability of Ozil. The Germans are often difficult to negotiate with and maybe are dragging things out. All of this assumes Wenger is interested in Ozil of course.


I don't think the Champions League is that important in the general scheme of things, especially when we are talking about the availability of world class players.


Gooner wrote:


Agreed


For me, I think the Spanish will have already bought Fabregas in some written agreement but Wenger has manged to get them to delay until 2011. He is only 22 and another season in England will see him get better still, allow Wenger to save face and perhaps even appease the Arsenal fans.


Ian


Stockton-on-Tees

SEMerc
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 10:26:57 AM

Kirdi ready to spoil the Kenny Huang party? Seems he has also been dealing directly with Statler and Waldorf.


http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/08/04/2055121/yahya-kirdi-in-advanced-negotiations-over-liverpool-takeover

Gooner
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 11:21:14 AM







Now The Daily Mail reports that the Fabregas family may have even spoken to president Sandro Rosell, imploring him to push harder to ensure that the potential deal reaches fruition


This is the latest I can find about CF


wallaw wrote:


Whether or not there's a lot of show boating taking place and the agreement to let him go was taken months ago must be open to debate.


SEMerc wrote:


FWIW, I reckon Fabregas will go in the January transfer window. That will allow Wanger to both save face and keep the Spanish waiters in Catalonia happy.


I have a sneaking suspicion (although admittedly it's unlikely) that Wanger is trying to do a deal for Ozil, who would seem to be a natural replacement and, in many ways, is a more gifted footballer. Of course, United, Chelsea and Real Madrid would have something to say about that.


Gooner wrote:


Would he really go in january if Arsenal are still in the Champs league?? I think this will be his last full season at the club


SEMerc wrote:


It could come down to the availability of Ozil. The Germans are often difficult to negotiate with and maybe are dragging things out. All of this assumes Wenger is interested in Ozil of course.


I don't think the Champions League is that important in the general scheme of things, especially when we are talking about the availability of world class players.


Brian Gaze wrote:


Agreed


For me, I think the Spanish will have already bought Fabregas in some written agreement but Wenger has manged to get them to delay until 2011. He is only 22 and another season in England will see him get better still, allow Wenger to save face and perhaps even appease the Arsenal fans.


Gooner wrote:


I think thats about right Ian, would CF start every week in Barca this season? perhaps not. Next season probaly yes.


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Saint Snow
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 11:58:08 AM


Kirdi ready to spoil the Kenny Huang party? Seems he has also been dealing directly with Statler and Waldorf.


http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/08/04/2055121/yahya-kirdi-in-advanced-negotiations-over-liverpool-takeover


SEMerc wrote:


Kirdi's name has been bandied around for weeks. Most Liverpool fans believe[d] that, as a chum of one of the two Yank parasites, he was a stooge to help bump the price up. He apparently represents a bunch of Canadian and Middle Eastern investors. Oh, great. I'm no financial genius, but I do know that investors usually like to see a return on their investment. So that's more money going out of the club.


The feeling about the Huang deal was that Liverpool would have been more than a simple financial investment. It was/is supposed to be backed by the Chinese Government and used as a bit of a vanity project, to not only showcase Chinese financial power, but also to act as a kind of trophy in China itself.


Liverpool is a hugely well-known city in China. This goes back to its maritime days and the establishment of one of Britain's first and largest Chinatowns. It's estimated that up to 10% of Liverpool people have some genetic Chinese link. The Beatles helped give a more recent boost to the city's image, whilst Liverpool was the sole UK organisation to have a pavillion presence at the World Shanghai Expo earlier this year.


In other words, the Huang bid was more likely to be a loss-leader for the owners, with success on the pitch delivering the highest possible profile the main motivation - not securing the largest profit and return for investors.


 



Martin
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SEMerc
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 12:28:38 PM



Kirdi ready to spoil the Kenny Huang party? Seems he has also been dealing directly with Statler and Waldorf.


http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/08/04/2055121/yahya-kirdi-in-advanced-negotiations-over-liverpool-takeover


Saint Snow wrote:


In other words, the Huang bid was more likely to be a loss-leader for the owners, with success on the pitch delivering the highest possible profile the main motivation - not securing the largest profit and return for investors.


SEMerc wrote:


I find it difficult to believe the buying of Liverpool would be akin to a Chinese Government sponsored vanity project.


Yes, I know Abramovich likes waggling his willy at Chelski and the Arabs are in the process of looking for theirs to waggle at Citeh, but surely even the Chinese Government is more hard headed (no pun intended) than that. Even Abramovich is beginning to recognise that Chelski needs to be run on a proper profit and loss basis.


 

Saint Snow
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 1:13:32 PM




Kirdi ready to spoil the Kenny Huang party? Seems he has also been dealing directly with Statler and Waldorf.


http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/08/04/2055121/yahya-kirdi-in-advanced-negotiations-over-liverpool-takeover


SEMerc wrote:


In other words, the Huang bid was more likely to be a loss-leader for the owners, with success on the pitch delivering the highest possible profile the main motivation - not securing the largest profit and return for investors.


Saint Snow wrote:


I find it difficult to believe the buying of Liverpool would be akin to a Chinese Government sponsored vanity project.


Yes, I know Abramovich likes waggling his willy at Chelski and the Arabs are in the process of looking for theirs to waggle at Citeh, but surely even the Chinese Government is more hard headed (no pun intended) than that. Even Abramovich is beginning to recognise that Chelski needs to be run on a proper profit and loss basis.


SEMerc wrote:


I wasn't thinking on the scale of Chavski or Citeh. Remember that if you take the huge debt interest payments off the Liverpool books, they have made a profit in most recent years. All Liverpool need from a squad perspective is a net outlay of around £50m in each of the first couple of seasons to be right up there again. The ever-growing Chinese economy has huge untapped potential as they increasingly want to be more westernised. I know Manure are THE team to support over there, given their multiple pre-season tours to the Far East and predominant status over the past 15 years or so, but a resurgent Liverpool with a high-profile Chinese ownership could easily usurp Man U as the No1 Premier League team in nationalistic China. That would give Huang's consortium more than enough financial return.


But first, they need to make Liverpool the No1 team in England.


That's my pipedream, anyhow.



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
SEMerc
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 11:37:54 PM

Huang seemingly is serious.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/aug/05/china-liverpool-ownership-fund


Meanwhile, the curse of Benitez strikes......


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/04/rafael-benitez-inter-panathinaikos

Brian Gaze
Thursday, August 5, 2010 7:23:02 AM

Fabreghastly will be going. That's the latest I've heard. (Not saying I'm right!)


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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SEMerc
Thursday, August 5, 2010 7:06:28 PM

Hardly the most surprising story of the pre-season, although being unavailable to play simply because you're a fat tub of lard is rather unusual.


http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/08/05/2057534/newcastle-united-defender-sol-campbell-set-to-miss-opening

Gooner
Thursday, August 5, 2010 8:14:45 PM


Fabreghastly will be going. That's the latest I've heard. (Not saying I'm right!)


Brian Gaze wrote:


Your right Brian, he will be wearing the Barca shirt from the start of NEXT season.


There is NO way Wenger will off load him with 7 days to go IMO ( Not saying I'm right of course)


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
Friday, August 6, 2010 6:44:55 AM



Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


future_is_orange
Friday, August 6, 2010 7:03:46 AM

Gunners and Wenger must be congratulated for taking the tough stance with regard to Fabregas.... He is a top player and when you see the kind of money being thrown about, i think barca were trying to get him on the cheap !!

SEMerc
Friday, August 6, 2010 8:04:24 AM


Gunners and Wenger must be congratulated for taking the tough stance with regard to Fabregas.... He is a top player and when you see the kind of money being thrown about, i think barca were trying to get him on the cheap !!


future_is_orange wrote:


I agree with this - the Spanish waiters having dragged 'tapping up' down to a new low by using the playing staff (through the media) to unsettle Farbregas.


I will ask the question again: Can you imagine what the cheese eating surrender monkey would have done had Arsenal employed the same tactics to try and prise a player away from Barca? Answer: he would have been all over Wenger et al like a rash.

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