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Polar Low
03 July 2018 17:25:24

I don’t see any problems it always gets pushed back look at 216 no clear signal silly to look that far really.


http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_panel.php?modele=0&mode=1&ech=216


Gm looks very hot at that time


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php


In any case we do live in the uk we will get a let up at sometime but the outlook looks very good to me.


 


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If that does happen I don't think it will be very bad as last year which was like a switch off from 18th July onward and never recovered.  Like what moomin said supposed to be unsettled from 1st July here had been cancelled and push further away so hopefully it carry on until Autumn then they can do what they want.  Remember the models last year was showing settled runs in the FI from 18th July onward and it kept pushing back and back all the way to Autumn, bar brief settled warm BH weekend.


Arcus
03 July 2018 17:26:45
GFS 12z ensembles (for what it's worth) look more consistent to me in the mid- to longer-term than the 6z in terms of keeping the heat going.
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David M Porter
03 July 2018 17:27:22


 


Not concerned just yet. This breakdown was meant to have already started. This week was forecast to be much wetter and cooler. Quite the opposite.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Indeed- I can remember the BBC's week ahead forecast last Monday night saying that there would be a thundery breakdown of sorts early this week followed by a cooler period with high pressure possibly returning afterwards. No sooner had they issued that forecast, the models slowly but surely back away from the idea of a breakdown this week.


IMO, 10 days ahead is the limit as to how far ahead we should be looking with any degree of confidence. I have heard it said many times before that the models often struggle more with blocked set-ups than they so with mobile west-east patterns and so a lot could change at relatively short notice, as was demonstrated pretty well last week.


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Polar Low
03 July 2018 17:28:31

cool Exactly very good outlook no worries


 


GFS 12z ensembles (for what it's worth) look more consistent to me in the mid- to longer-term than the 6z in terms of keeping the heat going.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 

Brian Gaze
03 July 2018 17:31:44
To be fair tomorrow looks like being cloudier with a risk of showers in the south, and today it's cooler and wetter in parts of the south west. Northern areas will also have more mixed conditions at times in the next few days. Therefore I think the models have been pretty good for this week. The issue has been more on the presentation / interpretation side by certain agencies.
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moomin75
03 July 2018 17:47:06
http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

Not TOO much sign of a definitive breakdown here.
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Polar Low
03 July 2018 17:55:29

FWIW 


Monday 16 July—Sunday 29 July


Often dry. Elevated risk of heat wave conditions.


There are slightly stronger indications than previously for hotter and somewhat drier than normal conditions into the second half of July. Indeed, high pressure is still likely to influence the weather over the country. It looks as though high pressure is most likely to shift a little further east across Europe; this should have two effects. First of all, the focus of the very dry conditions looks like moving to central and eastern Europe although the UK is still favoured to be somewhat drier than normal. Secondly, if high pressure does shift further east, this would allow a plume of heat to move in from central and southern Europe at times. Overall, temperatures are likely to be often above the July average and there is an elevated risk of heat wave conditions at times across the country. Indeed, there does appear to be prospects for temperatures to reach at least the low 30s Celsius at times. Occasionally, some showers or thunderstorms would be expected to drift in from the south, these appear most likely over southern parts of the country, with the north and north-east favoured to have the driest conditions. There are slight chances that high pressure could move far enough away to allow significantly wetter and somewhat cooler conditions to spread from the Atlantic. However, more likely is for rainfall amounts to remain somewhat below normal and temperatures to remain above the seasonal norm.


 


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

Not TOO much sign of a definitive breakdown here.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

TimS
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03 July 2018 18:21:58
Any resolution yet on whether we’re going to see meaningful rain in the South tomorrow and Thursday?

GFS says yes, with one pink area suggesting 40mm. Arpege and Icon say no, as does GEM. The BBC seems to think it’s low chance of isolated showers.
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xioni2
03 July 2018 18:52:53

A very quick look at the EC 12z run shows a typical example of much higher pressure north of the UK. Over the last few months the models have had significant negative bias in pressure there during days 7-15 (basically they keep underestimating the persistence of the blocking high and they mean revert too much).


I expect the ens to have more high pressure even after the 15th.


 


 

moomin75
03 July 2018 18:59:27
Steady as she goes on ECM. Settled most of the time with again just a hint of a breakdown at 240hrs....where it's been most of the time.
Witney, Oxfordshire
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David M Porter
03 July 2018 19:08:13

Steady as she goes on ECM. Settled most of the time with again just a hint of a breakdown at 240hrs....where it's been most of the time.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


It's almost like last year in reverse isn't it! Last year, the earliest that any possible settled spells seemed to ever appear in the model output was at 240hrs or even further out. What a difference a year makes.


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Joe Bloggs
03 July 2018 19:10:13

I think we’ve got to the stage now where it all feels a bit too good to be true. 


You would expect to see signs of a breakdown by now, but as much as you try to find them, they just aren’t there. 


12z ECM is solid as far as the eye can see, as is the MetO. GEFS mean at T+240 (about as far ahead as can be trusted) shows yet more of the same. High pressure and warm temperatures. 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSAVGEU12_240_1.png


As it stands, this is an exceptionally good spell of weather, and the outlook remains exceptional. 



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moomin75
03 July 2018 19:30:39


 


It's almost like last year in reverse isn't it! Last year, the earliest that any possible settled spells seemed to ever appear in the model output was at 240hrs or even further out. What a difference a year makes.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

Yep.....I told you it would be a long hot summer! 🤣🤣🤣🌧🌩🌧🌩🌧🌧🌩🤣


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TimS
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03 July 2018 19:33:55
Prize for this evening’s ludicrous record breaking run goes to GEM ENS P16.
Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Chunky Pea
03 July 2018 19:58:51

The EC15 has been fairly consistent now for some sort of breakdown towards mid-month as the jet moves very gradually more south. I sincerely hope it has caught onto something. 


Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


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moomin75
03 July 2018 20:00:45


The EC15 has been fairly consistent now for some sort of breakdown towards mid-month as the jet moves very gradually more south. I sincerely hope it has caught onto something. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

I sincerely hope it hasn't.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
xioni2
03 July 2018 20:01:52

I had to cheer up with the models and splendid EC ens as expected with much* higher pressure in the north throughout. That translates to sunnier and cooler next week (vs the 00z run) and then drier, warmer and sunnier for the following week.


Once again it drops several of the very hot paths for next week and the breakdown paths at the end.


The show goes on!


*The average change at 500hPa north of the UK in days 7-15 was a very big 100-150dam in this run (it basically switched from weak troughing on day 15 to moderate ridging).

xioni2
03 July 2018 20:02:53


The EC15 has been fairly consistent now for some sort of breakdown towards mid-month as the jet moves very gradually more south. I sincerely hope it has caught onto something. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


Gone already in the latest run!

TimS
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03 July 2018 20:04:27


 


Gone already in the latest run!


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Hence, presumably, the change to the Met Office long ranger.


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
xioni2
03 July 2018 20:08:01


 Hence, presumably, the change to the Met Office long ranger.


Originally Posted by: TimS 


No, those met office updates are using the EC46 runs (which are basically the 00z runs of Monday and Thursday extended to 46 days out). The latest one (EC00 from Mon) had weak ridging for the 2nd half of July, but since then the 12z run of yesterday and 00z run of today had trended more unsettled, until tonight's big reversal.


One of the reasons I guess why the Met Office can be a bit behind.


 


 

Chunky Pea
03 July 2018 20:24:01


 


Gone already in the latest run!


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Noooooooooooooooooooo…. 


 


I am still holding out some hope as the latest 10 dayer is showing some sort of weak troughing to become established towards mid-July, but as you suggest, looks weaker on this run.



 


 


Hoping the 15 dayer will show it gaining strength when it is released later. 


 


 


 


 


Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


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Saint Snow
03 July 2018 20:45:48


 


Noooooooooooooooooooo…. 


 


I am still holding out some hope as the latest 10 dayer is showing some sort of weak troughing to become established towards mid-July, but as you suggest, looks weaker on this run.



 


 


Hoping the 15 dayer will show it gaining strength when it is released later. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


 


Oh, shut up your attention-seeking whinging.


You get crap (damp/wet, cool, dull) weather almost every year; just accept the very rare nice spell.



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Chunky Pea
03 July 2018 21:08:35


 


 


Oh, shut up your attention-seeking whinging.


You get crap (damp/wet, cool, dull) weather almost every year; just accept the very rare nice spell.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I'll accept nothing that is disagreeable to me. 


Bring on the cool, blessed rain.  (wishful thinking I fear)


Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


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LeedsLad123
03 July 2018 21:12:29


 


I'll accept nothing that is disagreeable to me. 


Bring on the cool, blessed rain.  (wishful thinking I fear)


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


The rest of us have to accept crap weather, so I'm afraid you have no choice. Just the way it is. 


Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
superteacher
03 July 2018 21:22:49
Yep let the kids have a decent summer holiday this year. We are long overdue a hot, sunny August and I hope this breakdown keeps getting pushed back all the way to September. The reservoirs will cope this year. It’s no 1975/76 drought.

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