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David M Porter
13 November 2018 10:04:23

Apologies for slightly off topic, but can someone remind my poor old brain of the year we had the really cold November with freezing fog and rime on all the trees? I'm thinking it was 2006?

Just wondering what the synoptic set up was prior to that build up of cold

Originally Posted by: wallaw 


November 2006 wasn't a cold month here, from what I recall of it, other than a bit of frost at times at the start of it. It was a predominantly wet and mild/very mild month here, very much a precursor to what followed during the 2006/07 winter.


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SEMerc
13 November 2018 10:08:13


 


Unnecessary. By all means have an opinion, but no need for the attitude. We are not NWx and can do without it IMO.


Besides I for one value Steve’s input and enthusiasm - it’s all part of the seasonal entertainment on here.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


As do I. And as far as the latest synoptics are playing out I don't think his comments are out of the ordinary.

wallaw
13 November 2018 10:16:57


 


November 2006 wasn't a cold month here, from what I recall of it, other than a bit of frost at times at the start of it. It was a predominantly wet and mild/very mild month here, very much a precursor to what followed during the 2006/07 winter.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


 


Hmmm, possibly 2007 then, I'll have to check through old photographs when I get home


Ian


Stockton-on-Tees

Solar Cycles
13 November 2018 10:17:44


Look at it this way: when you have a Polar view like this on ECM at the T+168 point which Steve mentions above, then at the very least we're going to have all sorts of upgrades/downgrades/potentials/disappointments over the coming days. No sign of the vortex that we're normally resigned to trying to shift at this stage. If you can't dream at this at day 8, when can you?



 


Originally Posted by: some faraway beach 

Indeed.....That is not what we should be seeing at this time of year and with mutterings of a possible SSW as we head into next month ( that could also work against us if we’ve cold locked in by then ) then the reasons for being more positive for the start of winter at least is higher than normal.

Saint Snow
13 November 2018 10:27:45

I always get pessimistic seeing output like this so early in the season, as in the past couple of decades we've seen great looking charts in November on a few occasions, only for them to be followed by crap & snowless Dec/Jan/Febs.


Saying that, I was bemoaning and worrying about the early onset of summer this year and that managed to sustain itself until just beyond the halfway point before petering out. If we could get great winter weather in the late-Nov to late-Jan period, I'd be over the moon. But then I remember the times where excitement has been disappointingly premature...


 



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Steve Murr
13 November 2018 10:37:41
The GFS now on board with a massive Greenland / Iceland block- its huugee! The 552 line runs around Central england & back up through central greenland -
eddied
13 November 2018 11:20:37
Excellent. I can already cross “1963” off my TWO Winter Bingo card courtesy of Mr Murr! ;)

Something must be brewing! 🙂
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Winter 22/23
Days snow falling: 4
Days snow on ground:8
Max snow depths: 6cm (December 19th ish)

Summer 2022 max 39C on July 19th
Summer 2021 max: 32C on July 18th
Summer 2020 max: 36C on July 31st
ballamar
13 November 2018 11:24:36

Excellent. I can already cross “1963” off my TWO Winter Bingo card courtesy of Mr Murr! ;)

Something must be brewing! :)

Originally Posted by: eddied 


 


we have just beaten 1976 Summer so why not

Steve Murr
White Meadows
13 November 2018 11:48:46
Heck. If it snows before December I might even put the Christmas lights up early.
Gusty
13 November 2018 11:50:21

GFS mean @264

https://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-21-1-264.png?6

😮😮

Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 


Very telling ENS Steve.


I've been tracking them since they started picking up the initial northward regression to Scandinavia last week (264 at that stage). They have held rock solid and are now at 120 hours with the initial easterly a banker.


There is no reason to dispute the latest signal for retrogression to Greenland.


This pattern is stable. The background signals are strong. 


The atmosphere fired out a warning shot at the end of October.


A cold easterly to a snowy NE'ly has become a distinct possibility. Dismiss this potential at your peril would be my advice today.


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ballamar
13 November 2018 12:02:02


 


Very telling ENS Steve.


I've been tracking them since they started picking up the initial northward regression to Scandinavia last week (264 at that stage). They have held rock solid and are now at 120 hours with the initial easterly a banker.


There is no reason to dispute the latest signal for retrogression to Greenland.


This pattern is stable. The background signals are strong. 


The atmosphere fired out a warning shot at the end of October.


A cold easterly to a snowy NE'ly has become a distinct possibility. Dismiss this potential at your peril would be my advice today.


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


 


you should write film intros! 

Brian Gaze
13 November 2018 12:06:59

There we go...



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Maunder Minimum
13 November 2018 12:19:59


There we go...


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Every picture tells a story and that one is impressive. Still time for things to go pear shaped, but such a strong signal from the MO is very encouraging for cold winter weather fans.


New world order coming.
eddied
13 November 2018 12:20:36

Good support for that far out. Nice grouping around the Control. Even among the stragglers there’s only two that are having none of it.


Worth remembering though that although -5 850s signal the arrival of winter compared to where we’ve been, it’s not exactly guaranteed snow either. 


Still, the possibility of snow arriving in late November is good to see. To be honest, it would be about ‘on schedule’ anyway. Despite recent October treats, mid November is normally when you can realistically hope for the first flakes I guess. Bring it on!


Location: Reigate, Surrey 105m ASL

Winter 22/23
Days snow falling: 4
Days snow on ground:8
Max snow depths: 6cm (December 19th ish)

Summer 2022 max 39C on July 19th
Summer 2021 max: 32C on July 18th
Summer 2020 max: 36C on July 31st
SEMerc
13 November 2018 12:20:39


There we go...



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Very interesting indeed. And as the mean shows, the op and control have significant support.


Putting my 'coming back in my tardis' hat on, I wouldn't be surprised to see temps going further into the freezer with more -10s showing up by the end of the period.

SEMerc
13 November 2018 12:36:21

I think this says it all. Hopefully, it will pan out.


https://amz.nwstatic.co.uk/monthly_2018_11/F4EB596A-3182-49F3-97BC-FC44A4B3C2DA.png.a7255ed76eb85e18c10b22517e4c57f8.png


 

DEW
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13 November 2018 16:17:45

Pedants' Corner; Hibernation is a winter sleep, aestivation is a summer sleep. So the welcome return of our winter contributors means they've come out of aestivation.


Maybe their motivation is a Beastivation?


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Notty
13 November 2018 16:21:31
GFS 12z says “Winter is coming”

I’ll get my coat ...
Notty
Pontypool, 132m asl
Gooner
13 November 2018 16:30:27


Lovely looking chart from GFS 12z


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


nsrobins
13 November 2018 16:31:14

GFS 12z says “Winter is coming”

I’ll get my coat ...

Originally Posted by: Notty 


You’ll need it 😉


The persistence and ongoing strengthening of the signal for Mid to HLB and the virtual obliteration of the NW based vortex has to turn even the most hardened sceptics. There’s something brewing folks.


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Steve Murr
13 November 2018 16:31:29
GFS 12z has snow showers hitting the SE @180-192 -

Same flow & upper air cold as Feb 2009, just not as unstable & a weaker depth of cold by ~4-5c

None the less a larger thermal gradient brings a risk of some heavy showers-
The magical 10c Theta E appears by 192 which is my marker for snow rather than rain for most...
Gooner
13 November 2018 16:36:51


Interesting to see what comes from the North


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
13 November 2018 16:41:36


This could be a belter for so early in the Season of chart watching …...cant say Winter because it isn't 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


ballamar
13 November 2018 16:42:42

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