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DPower
12 January 2019 12:13:40
Not wanting to muddy the waters but there has been quite significant change to the strat profile from the 18z yesterday. The low gph heights over Canada are forecast to spread eastward across Greenland and Iceland.
This is forecast at all levels.
Up to and including yesterdays 12z the profile looked great. I can understand the lowest levels being influenced by the trop pattern but to see such changes at the 30mb level as early as t200 onwards does not look good.The down welling and split vortices should be looking stronger with time not the other way around.
Some to definitely keep an eye on.
Solar Cycles
12 January 2019 12:17:16


This really is totally just for fun but it’s not often you see snow cover that widespread (even in the fantasy island virtual world of the models. 



Please do not read into this post that this is what I expect to happen!


Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Its a banker IMBY doc. Shades of Feb 96 for snow totals there. ❤️

Brian Gaze
12 January 2019 12:19:00

Signs from the GEFS06z that the cold period is shaping out towards the end of the month. That goes against some recent updates and the ECM46 10/01.



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pdiddy
12 January 2019 12:25:00

The blanket "Scotland will do well out of this" comments are not wholly correct.  Parts of Scotland will, the same as parts of the rest of UK.  Edinburgh and the  parts of the East coast does not usually get snow out of Northerly events and even NWly can lead to showers but often little appreciable precipitation. 


That said, I'n not complaining about the outlook at all and I can't recall seeing a set up like this in recent memory, with lows diving SE across the country.

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12 January 2019 12:26:59


Signs from the GEFS06z that the cold period is shaping out towards the end of the month. That goes against some recent updates and the ECM46 10/01.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


The T850 mean has certainly shifted up significantly since the 0z after being consistently flat around -5 for a few runs. Quite a few milder members in there.


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Chunky Pea
12 January 2019 12:28:36


This really is totally just for fun but it’s not often you see snow cover that widespread (even in the fantasy island virtual world of the models. 



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Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Is this what they call a 'snow bomb'? (the latest idiotic, reductive media soundbite) 


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Brian Gaze
12 January 2019 12:35:07


 


The T850 mean has certainly shifted up significantly since the 0z after being consistently flat around -5 for a few runs. Quite a few milder members in there.


Originally Posted by: RobN 


Indeed. I would want to see it repeated several times before being confident that a shift to a less cold position is starting to emerge. The next ECM46 will be interesting too. 


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doctormog
12 January 2019 12:44:06


 


Indeed. I would want to see it repeated several times before being confident that a shift to a less cold position is starting to emerge. The next ECM46 will be interesting too. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


To be fair the forecasts are more confident about the snow potential for parts of the north and that is reflected in the ensembles


 



Rob K
12 January 2019 13:06:08


Signs from the GEFS06z that the cold period is shaping out towards the end of the month. That goes against some recent updates and the ECM46 10/01.



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Yes I've noticed since yesterday that the ensemble mean has been consistently ticking up right at the end. I suppose that is just reversion to the mean due to scatter though.


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Ally Pally Snowman
12 January 2019 13:44:36

Just catching up with the GFS Para 6z its easily the coldest run of the winter brutal cold in the day 10 to 16 region . Goes cold as early as day 5 as well. Loads of snow which causes the low temps later on.


 


 


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Gusty
12 January 2019 13:48:49

We need to keep a check on these T2m temps. There appears to be a slight uptick at the end.


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Gusty
12 January 2019 13:54:17


Just catching up with the GFS Para 6z its easily the coldest run of the winter brutal cold in the day 10 to 16 region . Goes cold as early as day 5 as well. Loads of snow which causes the low temps later on.


 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Really ?



 


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Ally Pally Snowman
12 January 2019 14:06:38


 


Really ?



 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


 


Have a look at the 2m temps day 10 onwards 


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/de/topkarten.php?map=20&model=gfs&var=5&run=6&time=312&lid=PARA&h=0&mv=0&tr=3#mapref


 


 


 


 


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Gusty
12 January 2019 14:14:15


 Have a look at the 2m temps day 10 onwards 


 http://www.wetterzentrale.de/de/topkarten.php?map=20&model=gfs&var=5&run=6&time=312&lid=PARA&h=0&mv=0&tr=3#mapref


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Gosh ! 


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doctormog
12 January 2019 14:18:17
It’s amazing what a bit of deep cold and snow cover can do. t850s are useful but rarely in isolation, the 500hPa/SLP charts are a bit more useful but do sometimes not provide the full picture. The 06z GFSP was probably a “snowy anomaly” but it is not entirely out of the question.
Ally Pally Snowman
12 January 2019 14:19:23


 


Gosh ! 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


 


Not bad eh! I'm sure the 6z GFS Para has it nailed on.


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Gusty
12 January 2019 14:43:52


 Not bad eh! I'm sure the 6z GFS Para has it nailed on.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Pretty good AP. Its been so long since we've had a wintry January its easy to forget how cold the surface can get once the atlantic gets cut off with a bit of snow on the ground. 


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tallyho_83
12 January 2019 15:07:08


 


 


Not bad eh! I'm sure the 6z GFS Para has it nailed on.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


bUT THEN it shows a return to milder weather in latter stages of FI and pressure falling over the northern latitudes!?


But -10c by 1800pm over many parts of the midlands is bitterly cold colder than last years feast from east.



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DPower
12 January 2019 15:11:20
Further to my post earlier regarding the strat profile and i've done a little digging. Comparing the gfs to the ecm on the Berlin site they could not be more different. The ecm is now finally showing the 30mb zonal winds going negative from day 7 with excellent profile at day 10. Even 50mb goes negative at day 9. 10mb finally goes positive at day 10.
I suspect this is just a typical wobble by the gfs,if so we should see some much more amplified charts again from the model in the near future.
White Meadows
12 January 2019 16:07:25
I have a feeling we’re in for a crap back tracking 12z from gfs.
marting
12 January 2019 16:09:41
UKMO very good this evening👍 144 chart is rather chilly
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Steve Murr
12 January 2019 16:25:14

UKMO very good this evening👍 144 chart is rather chilly
Martin

Originally Posted by: marting 


Yes , with a lobe of blocking to the North & North East the 168 chart would be very cold at the surface-


GFS has trended to the Euro but not quite-


GEM 192 ( similar profiles to UKMO 144 ) has a big snow event-

Ally Pally Snowman
12 January 2019 16:29:50


 


Yes , with a lobe of blocking to the North & North East the 168 chart would be very cold at the surface-


GFS has trended to the Euro but not quite-


GEM 192 ( similar profiles to UKMO 144 ) has a big snow event-


Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 


 


Yes very good GEM looks stunning at 240h


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
12 January 2019 16:40:50

Very happy with this afternoons GEM and UKMO,  GFS poor early but looks to be setting up another day 10 + special.


 


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Polar Low
12 January 2019 16:41:46

ukmo very close 120 sub -6 low filling and sliding very very close we dont need massive 850 there



 


Yes , with a lobe of blocking to the North & North East the 168 chart would be very cold at the surface-


GFS has trended to the Euro but not quite-


GEM 192 ( similar profiles to UKMO 144 ) has a big snow event-


Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 

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