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Rob K
03 February 2019 16:01:44
My moan is that this weekend has been fantastic with deep snow and clear blue skies, and tonight it is going to rain and wash it all away!
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Gusty
03 February 2019 16:18:05


 


Hi Steve,


That’s a shocking lack of snow you’ve had there. Isn’t it more a case of severe bad luck? 


Genuine question - does climate change mean :


a) we aren’t getting as many cold synoptic setups as we used to? 


Or 


b) Synoptic patterns haven’t changed, but when we do get cold setups, they aren’t as cold as they used to be, giving a higher risk of sleet/rain in more marginal setups.


I’m hoping it’s a) , - this gives me hope we could enter a more favourable phase within our lifetimes. Of course many could argue we haven’t done badly since 2009 anyway - there have just been some very unlucky locations, including Folkestone and Aberdeen! 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Hi Joe. 


Both really, but only from a local perspective.


We certainly don't get the midwinter deep cold synoptics of yester-year which were normally a banker for deep wintry potential down here. We get half baked efforts that simply don't drop in those all important sub -9c NE'lies. It also seems we are going through a face whereby NE'lies when they do briefly crop up and are cold enough deliver snow streamers to the Thames estuary while avoiding our little corner.


Marginal events (eg) breakdowns from the west, NW'ly wintry showers etc haven't really changed down here but I can't help but feel that if it had been 30 years ago with the same synoptics I would have woken up twice this week with at least 3cm on the ground rather than a little bit of frozen slush glued to the wiper blades first thing ! 


 

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Ally Pally Snowman
03 February 2019 16:21:50

My moan is that this weekend has been fantastic with deep snow and clear blue skies, and tonight it is going to rain and wash it all away!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Get out of this thread.


 


My 1 inch of snow was washed away on Friday by wet snow. Just very small patches left.  You have been insanely lucky it what was a very unusual event.


 


 


 

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Heavy Weather 2013
03 February 2019 17:30:07
Can’t wait for this pathetic excuse of a winter to bore off.
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Gray-Wolf
03 February 2019 18:08:00


 


Hi Joe. 


Both really, but only from a local perspective.


We certainly don't get the midwinter deep cold synoptics of yester-year which were normally a banker for deep wintry potential down here. We get half baked efforts that simply don't drop in those all important sub -9c NE'lies. It also seems we are going through a face whereby NE'lies when they do briefly crop up and are cold enough deliver snow streamers to the Thames estuary while avoiding our little corner.


Marginal events (eg) breakdowns from the west, NW'ly wintry showers etc haven't really changed down here but I can't help but feel that if it had been 30 years ago with the same synoptics I would have woken up twice this week with at least 3cm on the ground rather than a little bit of frozen slush glued to the wiper blades first thing ! 


 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


I think we all have to be open to the WACCy weather serving us an 'Arctic Cold Plunge' like we have see both in the U.S. and Central/Eastern Europe?


The background of AGW might favour ever more grey/damp/chilly/mild winters but when you factor in the volatility of the N.Hemisphere's circulatory system ,esp. these day?


Where the Torque in the circulation of the atmosphere is increasingly seen to drive SWWs/polar night Jet Splits (and no longer mainly produced by mountain ranges/Plateaus being used to launch the Jet into the strat?)


This offers us, here in the UK, of the chance to with tap into cold we have rarely witnessed here in the UK or a 'stuck setup' that feeds us cold over an extended period ?


Look at the impacts areas far to our south have seen this winter!


So never say never! I thought the chance of an 09/10 type winter was done for but look what we got that winter!

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Brian Gaze
03 February 2019 18:16:24

Keep AGW out of here regardless of which side of the fence you sit on. Those who don't will have their account deleted without warning. Please remember an account can not be recovered once it is gone. 

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Chunky Pea
03 February 2019 18:29:50

Can’t wait for this pathetic excuse of a winter to bore off.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Very tired of it myself. So unmemorable that it will be remembered forever as a benchmark. 

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Caz
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03 February 2019 18:47:21


Get out of this thread.


My 1 inch of snow was washed away on Friday by wet snow. Just very small patches left.  You have been insanely lucky it what was a very unusual event.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

And you think you’re hard done to?  Even an inch of snow would have been welcome here!  I’ve had to settle for nowt but frosts this winter!  

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Ally Pally Snowman
03 February 2019 18:59:33


And you think you’re hard done to?  Even an inch of snow would have been welcome here!  I’ve had to settle for nowt but frosts this winter!  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


 


It was such a strange event with the Midlands and EA missing out and central southern England being the sweet spot. There's still time but its the hope that kills you.


 

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Caz
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03 February 2019 19:07:37


 


 


It was such a strange event with the Midlands and EA missing out and central southern England being the sweet spot. There's still time but its the hope that kills you.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

  That’s how it’s been this winter!  I’m expecting a snow event to arrive just as I’m due to leave 18th Feb, because that generally happens when I take a winter holiday.  Last year it was actually Spring, 1st March when we flew!  


 

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roadrunnerajn
03 February 2019 19:16:44
Well I’m going up to Derbyshire for a week on Tuesday and I was hoping to walk on the high plateau of Kinder scout in the hope that I would see some snow🤣. What I’ll end up with is driving rain, low cloud and a temp of 5-6c on the summit.
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picturesareme
03 February 2019 19:28:32


 


 


It was such a strange event with the Midlands and EA missing out and central southern England being the sweet spot. There's still time but its the hope that kills you.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


I saw plenty of snow still laying in the Midlands yesterday when I was months train back from a very snowy North East  


 


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DEW
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03 February 2019 19:32:56


 


 


It was such a strange event with the Midlands and EA missing out and central southern England being the sweet spot. There's still time but its the hope that kills you.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Chichester is obviously not in central southern England


Oh, all right, a ten mile drive found plenty of snow.

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picturesareme
03 February 2019 20:04:20


 


Chichester is obviously not in central southern England


Oh, all right, a ten mile drive found plenty of snow.


Originally Posted by: DEW 


Of course not, how silly of you to assume otherwise. 🙄

Ally Pally Snowman
03 February 2019 20:18:29


 


I saw plenty of snow still laying in the Midlands yesterday when I was months train back from a very snowy North East  


 



Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


 


Midlands looks pretty clear here. CS England plastered. 


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roadrunnerajn
03 February 2019 20:30:42
My parents live in the eastern side of the Peak District and they tell me there’s nothing below 500ft. It’s all on the moors and higher ground. Nearly all of the midlands is green.
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Gusty
03 February 2019 20:40:03


Keep AGW out of here regardless of which side of the fence you sit on. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Fair enough Brian and apologies if its upset the C of C. I didn't realise it was a controversial subject. 

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picturesareme
03 February 2019 20:41:31
BJBlake
03 February 2019 20:49:56

I lived in Sussex for the first 20 years of my life in the snowy 60s and 70s, but snow was still rare there then, at 70 ft (not metres) above sea level.


Then it was East Anglia that seemed to get all the snow, occasionally Wales and the SW, often the midlands. 


 


Since I moved to East Anglia 30 years ago, I have seen less snow than the days when I lived in Sussex. Ironic now that the sweet spot was Sussex etc, I am beginning to think I've jinxed it!! LOL


 


 

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picturesareme
03 February 2019 21:05:47

My parents live in the eastern side of the Peak District and they tell me there’s nothing below 500ft. It’s all on the moors and higher ground. Nearly all of the midlands is green.

Originally Posted by: roadrunnerajn 


Perhaps today but yesterday it wasn't..


 Circled are large areas with snow in the Midlands...


 


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roadrunnerajn
03 February 2019 21:33:49


 


Perhaps today but yesterday it wasn't..


 Circled are large areas with snow in the Midlands...


 


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Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


OK, I was referring to the vast swathe of the midlands from The NW midlands stoke area all the way through the central belt of Birmingham/ Coventry/Leicester and up into the Nottinghamshire area. The Peak District which you circled shows the Derwent valley in green surrounded by the snow on the moors. 


 

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LeedsLad123
03 February 2019 21:40:25


 


Perhaps today but yesterday it wasn't..


 Circled are large areas with snow in the Midlands...


 


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Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Maybe it’s different in Portsmouth but the southernmost circle would not be thought of as the Midlands here. It includes Oxford and Milton Keynes which are both in southern counties.

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Joe Bloggs
03 February 2019 21:53:44


Keep AGW out of here regardless of which side of the fence you sit on. Those who don't will have their account deleted without warning. Please remember an account can not be recovered once it is gone. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Are you referring to the questions asked in my post? Or Steve’s comments, or both? 


I don’t particularly like discussing AGW, and have never posted in the climate forum, but I think the membership require some clearer guidance on this Brian.


Are we not allowed to mention global warming at all? 


Please don’t delete my account. I’d cry :D 


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Brian Gaze
03 February 2019 21:59:00


 


Are you referring to the questions asked in my post? Or Steve’s comments, or both? 


I don’t particularly like discussing AGW, and have never posted in the climate forum, but I think the membership require some clearer guidance on this Brian.


Are we not allowed to mention global warming at all? 


Please don’t delete my account. I’d cry :D 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


The Climate Forum has now been permanently closed and I won't allow members to move discussions from there to other parts of the site. So it is safe to assume my comments were not aimed at you!

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Joe Bloggs
03 February 2019 21:59:39


 


The Climate Forum has now been permanently closed and I won't allow members to move discussions from there to other parts of the site. So given that it is safe to assume it was not aimed at you. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Fair enough, cheers Brian. 


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