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Downpour
03 December 2019 13:14:56

Just say, just say with nine days out the charts go into upgrade run after run so we are left with a nationwide blizzard on 12th December. It's that bad, that only 5-10% of the country can actually get out and vote.

What would happen? Does the result of this mega low turnout count, because if it does we would never hear the end of that either!

Originally Posted by: Phil G 


 


They postponed a general election fairly recently due to foot and mouth – 2001? Presumably that would be on the cards if the forecast really is 'bad'* for 12 Dec?


 


* Using BBC lingo, apologies 


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White Meadows
03 December 2019 13:29:41


 


I hear Uncle Barry is auditioning for the part of Scrooge, so hopefully he'll be elsewhere in the run up to the festive season.


wink


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Leave my Uncle Barry out of this!

roadrunnerajn
03 December 2019 13:35:40
Looking at the 06z between the 11th and 13th. I would say it looks like being raw and cold with sleet and snow over the hills above 200m with wintery showers through the Cheshire gap. As that low moves away there could be back edge snow but it wouldn’t last long.
Down here it would be hail showers turning wetter as the depression moves up from France before more of a wintery mix as it passes east.
Better than mild muck though!
Germoe, part of the breakaway Celtic Republic.
Russwirral
03 December 2019 13:51:22
As much as we can always say - this was an outlier run, a one off, FI etc...

Look at the pattern and tell me that its not a million miles away from what weve been experiencing for the past 2 months or so.

Theres a good chance that it wont come off, but I think given how we are entering the winter, a scenario of this size and impact wouldnt be out of the question in my eye.

For that reason I see it less as a one off and almost expected to see in the charts. Fingers crossed this sets a pattern for the winter thereafter
UncleAlbert
03 December 2019 15:04:16

Actually we do not have to check back on winter general elections to find snow falling somewhere in the country on polling day.  Snow did in fact fall in many areas on May 3 1979 at the dawn of MT's reign.

Gandalf The White
03 December 2019 15:35:55


Leave my Uncle Barry out of this!


Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


How do you switch off autocorrect????


You type ‘Barty’ and your iPad thinks it knows better.


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03 December 2019 15:50:57

As much as we can always say - this was an outlier run, a one off, FI etc...

Look at the pattern and tell me that its not a million miles away from what we've been experiencing for the past 2 months or so.

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


It's funny you should say that. I've been thinking the same thing and, these charts we're seeing are not without support. This afternoon's ICON has moved towards the GFS operational as well.


Just imagine the rainmaker we had earlier in autumn that gave inland England a months worth of rain... as snow 


 


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squish
03 December 2019 15:51:29
Interesting week (weatherise) next week:

ICON 12z

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ICOOPEU12_156_1.png 

D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
Russwirral
03 December 2019 16:03:55


 


It's funny you should say that. I've been thinking the same thing and, these charts we're seeing are not without support. This afternoon's ICON has moved towards the GFS operational as well.


Just imagine the rainmaker we had earlier in autumn that gave inland England a months worth of rain... as snow 


 


Originally Posted by: WanderingLonelyAsACumulonimbusIncus 


 


The way I see it, should that pattern continue, it should in theory track more south as the Jet does so.  Alot of the rainfall we had through autumn was only a couple of degrees above being snow.  i'm thinking as the winter cold grows and the Jet head south, we might be lucky.


 


Hence my thoughts on this 


Saint Snow
03 December 2019 16:12:29

your iPad thinks it knows better.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


That's a typically arrogant Apple trait


 




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idj20
03 December 2019 16:51:28

Back to the models, I wouldn't push the 12z GFS out of bed with a longer lasting and cold unstable NE airflow over the SE by mid-month and the Atlantic incursion taking longer to make its move. However, at 260 hrs and beyond, it's all in FI land anyway. 


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ballamar
03 December 2019 16:52:22
Full of promise at 300hrs potential Scandi build and sliding low
kmoorman
03 December 2019 16:55:10

Full of promise at 300hrs potential Scandi build and sliding low

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


 


by 312 the low elongates to the SW and we get colder (-8C at 850hpa) air drawn in from the SE


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Steve Murr
03 December 2019 16:55:44
One of the most crazy runs ever with the jet diving over Africa at 300

Just got to get over that amplification hurdle @114 & its good.
Russwirral
03 December 2019 17:06:44
we will see different outcomes for the next few days, but the pattern is clear. The Jet is set to dive south over europe next week. The impact of this isnt clear, but given an unsettled Atlantic could offer up snow anywhere in the UK.

Given the extent of heavy precipitation recently, its only reasonable to assume theres potential for a decent snowfall for some.

We just need to maintain the Jet dive signal over the next few runs.
kmoorman
03 December 2019 17:11:12

The GFS 12Z Op ends with a Scandi High and cold Easterlies


 



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kmoorman
03 December 2019 17:13:23

That's some chilly air


 



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ballamar
03 December 2019 17:21:20
Ice days record snowfalls diving jet Scandi highs - welcome to GFS FI which starts at day 5
kmoorman
03 December 2019 17:29:52

Ice days record snowfalls diving jet Scandi highs - welcome to GFS FI which starts at day 5

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


 


Although not a outlier, the Op is at the bottom of the pack in the Ensemble in terms of 850hpa temps, but I'd say it IS an outlier in terms of 2m temps at the end


 



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nsrobins
03 December 2019 17:44:32
Not an outlier, Kieron. A trendsetter 😉
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doctormog
03 December 2019 17:50:39
Nicee to see some eye candy FI charts coinciding with the days with lowest insolation. It will be interesting to see if the output moderates in the next few days or if the recent trend continues, it will also be interesting to keep an eye on the 12th of December for obvious reasons. Realistically that is still in FI but the last few runs have been quite consistent in the general pattern.
kmoorman
03 December 2019 18:45:34

Not an outlier, Kieron. A trendsetter 😉

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


 


If only there was a 'like' button on here.  The ECM will make interesting viewing


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David M Porter
03 December 2019 18:52:35


 


 


If only there was a 'like' button on here.  The ECM will make interesting viewing


Originally Posted by: kmoorman 


ECM 12z looks decent so far, IMO.


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ballamar
03 December 2019 18:54:54
Could be Election Day nightmare rain in the south though
doctormog
03 December 2019 18:56:43
Impressive consistency given the range.

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