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Gandalf The White
29 December 2019 13:55:26


 


Four has a frighteningly wreckless attitude with regard to the climate warming emergency but that's not for this thread.


Although the uppers continue to un-impress from deep wintry potential perspective the surface temperatures down here in the SE will certainly feel like proper winter courtesy of cold air trapped under an inversion next week. 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


A similar story from the ECM 00z ensembles for London.  The effect of the introduction of a shot of Arctic air shows up starkly: even an ice-day, remarkably. The op was in the colder cluster but not unsupported. 


The other point to highlight is the continued build of a cluster suggesting a persistence of the colder conditions becoming a little more likely.  The wall-to-wall very mild conditions being predicted so confidently by a few posters only a week ago seem to be disappearing with each run.



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Rob K
29 December 2019 14:12:06
Certainly not that mild at this end of the country. Max of 8C so far today despite the sunshine and apart from a brief foray into double digits tomorrow it looks like we’ll have maxima in the 6-8C range and minima around 0-2C for much of the next week. Pretty average for late Dec/early Jan in other words.
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nsrobins
29 December 2019 14:48:03


 


Exactly like March 2018.. sever day's of sub zero maxes, icicles, and even the sea freezing on the IOW.


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Doesn’t count - March is a Spring month 😂😉


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sunny coast
29 December 2019 15:01:52

Certainly not that mild at this end of the country. Max of 8C so far today despite the sunshine and apart from a brief foray into double digits tomorrow it looks like we’ll have maxima in the 6-8C range and minima around 0-2C for much of the next week. Pretty average for late Dec/early Jan in other. r words.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

.  Indeed so 8 here around average but at least the sunshine is back 

Sevendust
29 December 2019 15:09:21


 


Doesn’t count - March is a Spring month 😂😉


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


....not until the 21st.....I'll get my coat

Brian Gaze
29 December 2019 15:11:06

According to the Met Office the average max for Heathrow in Dec is 8.3C. See: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/uk-climate-averages/gcpsvg3nc Presumably it's a fraction lower at this end of the month so around 8.1C to 8.2C. Today temps have reached 9.5C at least, so that's over 1C above the average however it is sliced and diced. Not very mild but in the mild category. There is some variability in southern counties with temperatures ranging from ~8C to 11C. 


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Gandalf The White
29 December 2019 15:21:34


 


....not until the 21st.....I'll get my coat


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


LOL, I had the same thought.  I really do like that summer weather you get on September 20th.....


wink


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tallyho_83
29 December 2019 17:40:44

Silence speaks volumes! ha! Crazy to think the coldest ensemble for Oslo, Norway is -12c or -13c @ 850hpa and even this is an outlier:


Could be mild for all parts and any cold air looks like it will topple over the ridge and go to Greece  -which look to be below average meanwhile take a look at how mild it will be in Oslo, Stockholm too?


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White Meadows
29 December 2019 18:15:03
ECM serving out a real manure sandwich tonight.
Having spotted some rising daffs yesterday it makes me wonder whether its best throwing the towel in this winter as January looks like starting another month as if we’re positioned 500 miles further south.
Joe Bloggs
29 December 2019 18:24:12

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_3_1.png


https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_3_2.png


Interesting to look at the current “blowtorch” setup and compare it with actual reality. Based on some recent commentary I’d expect the above to result in 16C balmy temps across the country (I accept it has been very mild in northern Scotland)..


It has actually felt very average today here and feels relatively chilly outside at present. Currently 7C.


Always a good reminder that very high 850’s don’t always result in record breaking or exceptional surface temps in winter. 



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doctormog
JACKO4EVER
29 December 2019 18:30:11

ECM serving out a real manure sandwich tonight.
Having spotted some rising daffs yesterday it makes me wonder whether its best throwing the towel in this winter as January looks like starting another month as if we’re positioned 500 miles further south.

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


well I can’t disagree, January looks to be shaping up to be another bland effort. It will be interesting to see what the long range models suggest, but I am fearing the heart of this winter will be unceremoniously ripped away

Brian Gaze
29 December 2019 18:32:58


https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_3_1.png


https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_3_2.png


Interesting to look at the current “blowtorch” setup and compare it with actual reality. Based on some recent commentary I’d expect the above to result in 16C balmy temps across the country (I accept it has been very mild in northern Scotland)..


It has actually felt very average today here and feels relatively chilly outside at present. Currently 7C.


Always a good reminder that very high 850’s don’t always result in record breaking or exceptional surface temps in winter. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


According to the BBC "Temperatures reached 16.8C in northern Scotland overnight - the highest ever recorded for the UK this late in the year." (see https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50941114) If the current blowtorch set-up persists for much of January I would expect several more opportunities for anomalously high temperatures to be recorded in the UK. Perhaps more importantly is the chance of this winter falling into the very mild category. However, there will be colder days sandwiched in even if pressure remains high to the south.


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Hippydave
29 December 2019 18:35:22


 


well I can’t disagree, January looks to be shaping up to be another bland effort. It will be interesting to see what the long range models suggest, but I am fearing the heart of this winter will be unceremoniously ripped away


Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


From what I read the other day both ECM and UKMO seasonal models/forecasts have western Europe in the UK as generally mild and unsettled with only transient cooler/cold shots.


That said if you look at the GFS ens they're generally settled and fairly cool for my neck of the woods so if that verifies and for this part of the country the seasonal model broad brush forecast won't have been particularly accurate/useful.


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Joe Bloggs
29 December 2019 19:00:05


 


According to the BBC "Temperatures reached 16.8C in northern Scotland overnight - the highest ever recorded for the UK this late in the year." (see https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50941114) If the current blowtorch set-up persists for much of January I would expect several more opportunities for anomalously high temperatures to be recorded in the UK. Perhaps more importantly is the chance of this winter falling into the very mild category. However, there will be colder days sandwiched in even if pressure remains high to the south.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Yes. 


However as soon as high pressure builds across the country (even if the core of the high is to the south), you can often throw the 850 projections into the bin. 


 



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tallyho_83
29 December 2019 19:11:18


 


Yes. 


However as soon as high pressure builds across the country (even if the core of the high is to the south), you can often throw the 850 projections into the bin. 


 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Yes - remarkable temps for Scotland - temps of almost 17c by night in Scotland, did temps rise to 17c? Or stick at that Temp? .


As for the HP yes should be cold at surface so hopefully something seasonal at night with frost maybe.


 


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sunnyramsgate
29 December 2019 19:41:30
Cold down here on the SE coastline
dagspot
29 December 2019 19:51:29

did temps rise to 17c

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

 


No


Neilston 600ft ASL
sunny coast
29 December 2019 20:25:14

Cold down here on the SE coastline

Originally Posted by: sunnyramsgate 

. Yes certainly not very mild. And this e e there is some Frost on the cars 

squish
29 December 2019 22:29:29
18z gives us a sniff of something quite seasonal. Quite a cold run thus far...and dry :)

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doctormog
29 December 2019 22:31:32

Just when you thought it couldn’t get much worse the threat of some stagnant easterly muck shows up. Thankfully it passes quickly on this run. 


Sevendust
29 December 2019 22:31:43

Ensembles say it all currently. Quite dry with warm uppers for the most part with little disagreement, even in FI.


Looks a bit late 80's style at the moment. 

picturesareme
30 December 2019 02:41:01


. Yes certainly not very mild. And this e e there is some Frost on the cars 


Originally Posted by: sunny coast 


Freezing fog right down to the coast.. very seasonal 

DEW
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30 December 2019 07:34:09

GFS0z op has unrelenting HP close to the UK, mostly centred to the SW so calm in the S, windy in the N. Denmark and Germany affected by strong northerlies from time to time as LP develops over the Baltic, but the UK on the fringe of this, only on Mon 13th does a northerly briefly affect the east coast. ECM has the HP a bit further south so conditions generally more windy with emphasis on westerlies.


My guess is that the HP is likely to deliver mild cloudy weather except where the atmosphere is stirred up by passing LP so hope ECM is more accurate and generates some sunshine.


GEFS shows consistent dip in temp around 4th, to below zero in many places , followed by a strong rebound by the 8th to well above normal. Thereafter the runs diverge but temps decline generally with the op leading the way. Dry everywhere except the north.


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Chichester 12m asl
sunny coast
30 December 2019 07:37:20


 


Freezing fog right down to the coast.. very seasonal 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

indeed freezing fog and a frost not forecast 

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