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nsrobins
03 February 2020 16:50:17

12Z GFS very consistent with a severe storm crossing the south/Midlands on Tuesday night into Wednesday next week.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I concur. Next Tues/Weds a persistent signal for a high end wind event.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
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Gooner
03 February 2020 16:55:05


 


Theres a name from the past! Whatever happened to Tom Presutti? FWIW guys like Steve Murr, Gooner etc i always enjoyed/looked forward to reading their posts on here............sign of the times perhaps that they dont post as much with past enthusiasm.................


Originally Posted by: fullybhoy 


I'm here and always lurking , naff all to discuss , up to now .


I think quite a few could see some white stuff next week and for sure roads further North will be blocked.


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
03 February 2020 16:59:11




Blizzards for some without a doubt 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
03 February 2020 17:09:38




High level routes cut off - blizzards and extremely stormy 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
03 February 2020 17:22:19



Many would be pleased with that - we ( Banbury ) can do quite well in a NWLY 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


doctormog
03 February 2020 17:39:35


This wind is going to play havoc with my running schedule.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Run from west to east and you’ll be fine. 


And Marcus Aberdeen shows up nicely on those charts. 


Ally Pally Snowman
03 February 2020 17:57:56


 


I concur. Next Tues/Weds a persistent signal for a high end wind event.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


 


Gfs really ramps up the mph. A hell of a storm if it comes off.


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Notty
03 February 2020 18:01:49

Didn’t we have a cold zonal spell a few years back with the cold air racing across the Atlantic without much modification?


(and I love Steve Murr’s posts  )


Notty
Pontypool, 132m asl
Retron
03 February 2020 18:03:32


Many would be pleased with that - we ( Banbury ) can do quite well in a NWLY 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Don't get too excited there!


Remember, those GFS charts count one flake of sleet as being worthy of snow shading. And even then, the snow vs rain field can be highly dodgy.


https://xcweather.co.uk/forecast/leysdown


The GFS for me, for example, has some lovely snow at 5C next Monday, along with full sunshine. We all know that's just not going to happen.


Use a more reliable model like ECM and you'll see the snow is generally over high ground (so no surprises there).


https://weather.us/model-charts/euro/united-kingdom/snow-accumulated/20200210-1200z.html


Personally I'll be sticking to Euro5 via WeatherOnline and the ECM. Those GFS snow charts are next to useless!


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Brian Gaze
03 February 2020 18:13:48


 


Don't get too excited there!


Remember, those GFS charts count one flake of sleet as being worthy of snow shading. And even then, the snow vs rain field can be highly dodgy.


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


I completely agree but on this occasion the snow depth charts are of interest too. IMHO mid-Feb is looking like the best chance so far this winter (don't laugh!) for at least a few flakes of falling snow in the south.


PS: I agree with the comment earlier about strong winds being the main weather news story for most of the UK.


(Snow depth charts here https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gfs.aspx?run=12&charthour=132&chartname=uksnowdepth&chartregion=uk&charttag=Snow%20depth )



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JACKO4EVER
03 February 2020 18:16:47


 


I completely agree but on this occasion the snow depth charts are of interest too. IMHO mid-Feb is looking like the best chance so far this winter (don't laugh!) for at least a few flakes of falling snow in the south.


PS: I agree with the comment earlier about strong winds being the main weather news story for most of the UK.


(Snow depth charts here https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gfs.aspx?run=12&charthour=132&chartname=uksnowdepth&chartregion=uk&charttag=Snow%20depth )



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I see the Melton Mowbray snow shield is working so well it’s extending its influence into East Anglia and The South East 

roadrunnerajn
03 February 2020 19:40:07




I mean, seriously what IS it with the strongest winds occurring at night time? 

But indeed, making for depressing model watching - unless damaging winds and heavy rain floats your boat. 


Originally Posted by: idj20 


Down here it’s likely to sink your boat.......


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Gooner
03 February 2020 20:14:09


 


Don't get too excited there!


Remember, those GFS charts count one flake of sleet as being worthy of snow shading. And even then, the snow vs rain field can be highly dodgy.


https://xcweather.co.uk/forecast/leysdown


The GFS for me, for example, has some lovely snow at 5C next Monday, along with full sunshine. We all know that's just not going to happen.


Use a more reliable model like ECM and you'll see the snow is generally over high ground (so no surprises there).


https://weather.us/model-charts/euro/united-kingdom/snow-accumulated/20200210-1200z.html


Personally I'll be sticking to Euro5 via WeatherOnline and the ECM. Those GFS snow charts are next to useless!


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Oh dear Darren , you have been on here long enough to know these are Just For Fun , I don't think for one minute there will be widespread lying snow - but I do  believe my area will see falling snow , if it comes heavy enough over night we might just see some on the floor in the morning , along way off and of course can and every chance will change 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
03 February 2020 20:17:59

One thing for sure is the weather will get lively and for some very exciting 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Rob K
03 February 2020 21:04:25




I mean, seriously what IS it with the strongest winds occurring at night time? 

But indeed, making for depressing model watching - unless damaging winds and heavy rain floats your boat. 


Originally Posted by: idj20 


Better to have the winds at night howling outside while we are cosy inside than in the middle of the day when people are out and about potentially getting injured. 


ECM has the strongest winds quite a lot further north and delayed into Wednesday. 


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Saint Snow
03 February 2020 21:32:46




I mean, seriously what IS it with the strongest winds occurring at night time? 

But indeed, making for depressing model watching - unless damaging winds and heavy rain floats your boat


Originally Posted by: idj20 


 


More likely to sink your boat, Ian


 


I don't mind the odd blast of really strong winds. My mindset might change if ever I'm directly affected, obviously, but I like that feeling of us arrogant humans being humbled and cowed by nature.



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idj20
03 February 2020 22:29:20


 


Better to have the winds at night howling outside while we are cosy inside than in the middle of the day when people are out and about potentially getting injured. 


ECM has the strongest winds quite a lot further north and delayed into Wednesday. 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 



Or a restless sleepless night wondering what noise this is or that is as the wind howl over the roof and you can't see what is going on while hoping you won't see broken tiles on the garden and have to faff about with repairs and cost. Windstorms seem to sound more unnerving in the dark.  

Indeed, ECM is making less of it in it's current run with regards to next week's system, but the GFS is still sticking to the idea of it slicing through the UK as a compact but intense runner low - and again still in the middle of the night.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Rob K
03 February 2020 23:13:45
18Z takes the storm a touch further north but even stronger, 105+ mph gusts in the Irish Sea.
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tallyho_83
04 February 2020 00:18:27
Cold zonality is the best we can count on for snow - even if it's a few flakes as Brian said!
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BJBlake
04 February 2020 06:20:45
The mention of Tom Presutti reminds me of the USA weather guru Joe D'Aleo, who was a great predictor of winter weather, with about as much success as anyone, but with great theory and research, but was an ardent climate change denier, whose theories are now discredited. In finding out where he has disappeared to, Imdiscovered this useful link to all the various theories about climate and our future weather....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling 
Interesting read....
Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
DEW
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04 February 2020 07:04:06

GFS 0z; A day of northerlies in the east, then high pressure for the rest of this week. Winds freshen from the SW on Saturday, then non-stop gales for the whole week following - cold NW on a broad front on Mon with the controlling LP near Iceland; a deep depression to run across the UK on Wed 12th (750mb N England with damaging winds in the SW; calming down with lighter SW-ly by Sat 15th. A Less intense depression over the UK on Tue 18th before a ridge of HP to Scandi appears  (don't get too excited - the E-lies on its southern flank are over the Alps, and not particularly cold).


ECM the same at first, but takes Wed's storm further north, and keeps cold NW-ly going into the weekend.


Ens pattern matches the synoptics. Snow row figures progressively ranging from a string of 22s for Inverness down to a 5 for Plymouth on the 12th.


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Chichester 12m asl
Rob K
04 February 2020 07:13:50


a deep depression to run across the UK on Wed 12th (750mb N England with damaging winds in the SW; calming down with lighter SW-ly by Sat 15th.


Originally Posted by: DEW 


surprised That’s quite a storm!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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DEW
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04 February 2020 07:18:45


 


surprised That’s quite a storm!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Sorry, typo for 950, should still be 'interesting'. and a daytime storm, too - Ian gets his wish


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04 February 2020 09:38:09

The mention of Tom Presutti reminds me of the USA weather guru Joe D'Aleo, who was a great predictor of winter weather, with about as much success as anyone, but with great theory and research, but was an ardent climate change denier, whose theories are now discredited. In finding out where he has disappeared to, Imdiscovered this useful link to all the various theories about climate and our future weather....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
Interesting read....

Originally Posted by: BJBlake 


I've been wondering what happened to the AMOC shutdown, which was the fashionable talk not so long ago.


Meanwhile, the models seem to have caught a nasty dose of isobaritis, with no area of the UK immune to severe symptoms at some stage. Let's hope this prognosis is moderated nearer the time.


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
nsrobins
04 February 2020 09:57:35


 


I've been wondering what happened to the AMOC shutdown, which was the fashionable talk not so long ago.


Meanwhile, the models seem to have caught a nasty dose of isobaritis, with no area of the UK immune to severe symptoms at some stage. Let's hope this prognosis is moderated nearer the time.


Originally Posted by: RobN 


Given the timescales it’s more likely than not the system expected next Tues will undergo quite a bit of revision as we get towards the five day threshold (my invisible line for calling more certainty on an event rather than just the idea of the pattern). 
That said it’s persistent and once it comes into UKM range we’ll have a better idea.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO

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