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speckledjim
21 February 2020 11:38:50


 


Iran does not have 5 cases, they have lied and covered it up. Iran likely has hundreds of cases. They have completely lost control.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Can you please provide us with the source of this information or are you once again speculating based on zero facts ?

Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Quantum
21 February 2020 11:44:14


 


Can you please provide us with the source of this information or are you once again speculating based on zero facts ?


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


I'm basing it on the fact that Iran's first word on the issue were deaths. That they have the virus in multiple different parts of the country, and somehow a Canadian national has become infected. None of this would be possible if the virus would not widespread. This is also a country that has more limited networks to China when compared to Singapore or South Korea.


When you see the smoke you act.


We are now teetering on a global pandemic with sustained local transmission both in South Korea and Iran. At what point are you going to stop being complacent and realize this is serious?


 


It's also probably in Indonesia and North korea too.


 


 

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Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

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Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
speckledjim
21 February 2020 11:46:08


 


Of those 85 cases only 33 are resolved.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Latest update on Europe/North America/Australia is 101 cases with 52 resolved and 3 in a serious/critical condition. Still only the one death 

Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Quantum
21 February 2020 11:46:38


 


All that is required at worst is similar controls to what we have in place with China. They have clearly worked 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


People are literally being welded into their houses. China has drones surveying and arresting people with sniffles.


China has implemented a crackdown that would be impossible for any democracy to match. They have declared martial law in cities the size of London.


It simply isn't possible for a country like South korea or the UK to contain it in the way China has. And you wouldn't want it either.


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
speckledjim
21 February 2020 11:50:30


 


I'm basing it on the fact that Iran's first word on the issue were deaths. That they have the virus in multiple different parts of the country, and somehow a Canadian national has become infected. None of this would be possible if the virus would not widespread. This is also a country that has more limited networks to China when compared to Singapore or South Korea.


When you see the smoke you act.


We are now teetering on a global pandemic with sustained local transmission both in South Korea and Iran. At what point are you going to stop being complacent and realize this is serious?


 


It's also probably in Indonesia and North korea too.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I will act on facts and not the sensationalist speculation that you spout. Do you really think I am going to take any notice of someone who stopped socialising weeks ago when the impact on this country was all of 9 cases (of which 8 have recovered). 

Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Quantum
21 February 2020 11:53:42


 


I will act on facts and not the sensationalist speculation that you spout. Do you really think I am going to take any notice of someone who stopped socialising weeks ago when the impact on this country was all of 9 cases (of which 8 have recovered). 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Again you do not know when (or perhaps if in the case of the UK) this is going to get bad.


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
speckledjim
21 February 2020 11:55:22


 


Again you do not know when (or perhaps if in the case of the UK) this is going to get bad.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


and neither do you

Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Essan
21 February 2020 12:21:04

No clinical trials have shown that the novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19) can be transmitted by passing through the skin, a Chinese expert said Friday.



Respiratory droplets and close contact transmission are the major routes of the coronavirus infection, and it is essential to cut off the channels for the virus to enter the body via mouth, nose and eyes, Zhou Qi, academician of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, said at a press conference.


COVID-19 can be transmitted when someone is exposed to high concentrations of aerosol in a relatively closed environment for a long time, while the probability of aerosol transmission in a normal working and living environment is extremely low, Zhou noted.


For factories and enterprises that resume work, Zhou suggested keeping ventilation in working space, wearing masks correctly, and keeping a proper distance between colleagues in relatively densely populated workplaces.


Zhou added that as long as people wash their hands correctly and frequently, fecal-oral transmission can be avoided.


"As the number of confirmed patients and suspected patients continue to decline, I believe we can achieve precise prevention and control of virus transmission with optimizing measures," Zhou said.



https://www.shine.cn/news/nation/2002212532/


(my emphasis)


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Maunder Minimum
21 February 2020 12:31:56

I guess the point is this - South Korea is becoming an epicentre, we have no reliable statistics from Iran and it is a pretty safe bet that if there are cases in Iran, there will be cases in Afghanistan and Pakistan as well.


Problem is that there is insufficient information from some countries to be able to draw reliable conclusions. The more chaotic, disorganised authoritarian or poor a country is, the less we know about the genuine situation on the ground.

New world order coming.
Quantum
21 February 2020 12:49:28




https://www.shine.cn/news/nation/2002212532/


(my emphasis)


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Seems like it can be aerolized but barely. However what seems to also be true is that close confinement makes the risk very high. So there was a case, for example, of a taxi driver contracting it from a passengar who was wearing a mask. Seems like a good strategy is to avoid all forms of close contact and make sure whatever space you are in is well ventilated.


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
21 February 2020 12:51:05


I guess the point is this - South Korea is becoming an epicentre, we have no reliable statistics from Iran and it is a pretty safe bet that if there are cases in Iran, there will be cases in Afghanistan and Pakistan as well.


Problem is that there is insufficient information from some countries to be able to draw reliable conclusions. The more chaotic, disorganised authoritarian or poor a country is, the less we know about the genuine situation on the ground.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


This is true, however it's also worth keeping in mind that poorer countries tend to be hotter, have higher UV levels and worse transport infrastructure. All of these will work to lower R0, and even lowering it by a small amount can have a large impact. It's those newly industrializing countries that are the bigger worry.


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
westv
21 February 2020 13:04:00

Presumably the problem with Coronavirus is not it's affect on people but the fact the world would really rather have fewer diseases, not more.

At least it will be mild!
Brian Gaze
21 February 2020 13:21:56


 


Again you do not know when (or perhaps if in the case of the UK) this is going to get bad.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I'm old and slow so rely on young whippersnappers like you to keep me informed! What guidance would you currently give people like me? Fortunately I'm staying in tomorrow night but aren't sure of my plans for next week. Help!

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speckledjim
21 February 2020 13:29:46
COVID-19 has affected/is affecting 32 countries, however, on a positive note 9 of those countries currently have a 100% recovery rate and 0% mortality rate.
Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Caz
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21 February 2020 13:35:38


People are literally being welded into their houses. China has drones surveying and arresting people with sniffles.


China has implemented a crackdown that would be impossible for any democracy to match. They have declared martial law in cities the size of London.


It simply isn't possible for a country like South korea or the UK to contain it in the way China has. And you wouldn't want it either.


 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

Jeez!  You must spend an awful lot of time reading news reports!  


Just try not to stress so much and stop jumping to conclusions.  At this rate you’ll have no need to worry about the virus because your nerves will be the death of you. 

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Northern Sky
21 February 2020 13:36:22


 


I'm old and slow so rely on young whippersnappers like you to keep me informed! What guidance would you currently give people like me? Fortunately I'm staying in tomorrow night but aren't sure of my plans for next week. Help!


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


AVOID ALL HUMAN CONTACT 


 


 


Probably easier for some on here than others...

xioni2
21 February 2020 13:41:43


 I'm old and slow so rely on young whippersnappers like you to keep me informed! What guidance would you currently give people like me? Fortunately I'm staying in tomorrow night but aren't sure of my plans for next week. Help!


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Stop breathing.

Maunder Minimum
21 February 2020 13:51:41


 


I'm old and slow so rely on young whippersnappers like you to keep me informed! What guidance would you currently give people like me? Fortunately I'm staying in tomorrow night but aren't sure of my plans for next week. Help!


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


No need to stop breathing - simply move to a £15k a night villa in Mustique. A little Caribbean island should be one of the last places to succumb. Or better still, get an ocean going yacht with sufficient supplies on it to stay at sea for 12 months.

New world order coming.
Maunder Minimum
21 February 2020 13:52:58


AVOID ALL HUMAN CONTACT 


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


Not sure that would work - the virus original host was a pangolin or a snake or a bat or something like that.

New world order coming.
Ally Pally Snowman
21 February 2020 14:05:28


 


Can you please provide us with the source of this information or are you once again speculating based on zero facts ?


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


 


The Iranian Health ministry officially has 18 cases 4 deaths but does say that the Coronavirus outbreak started in Qom but has spread to several cities including Tehran. Italy has had 6 cases today 3 at least with no connection to China.  And one of the cases is a 39 year male is in intensive care. Lebanon and Israel have their first cases today, it would appear to be ramping up a bit now.


 

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Brian Gaze
21 February 2020 14:19:17


 


Stop breathing.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


To be fair it is coming to all us. It's simply a matter of timing so there's little point in stressing too much about it. 

Brian Gaze
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Quantum
21 February 2020 14:32:41

Lebanon case originated in Iran.


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
speckledjim
21 February 2020 14:36:31


 


 


The Iranian Health ministry officially has 18 cases 4 deaths but does say that the Coronavirus outbreak started in Qom but has spread to several cities including Tehran. Italy has had 6 cases today 3 at least with no connection to China.  And one of the cases is a 39 year male is in intensive care. Lebanon and Israel have their first cases today, it would appear to be ramping up a bit now.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Iran does seem to have a problem and I’m sure cases will multiply quite rapidly there. The Lebanese case is a woman who returned from Iran. The Israeli case is a passenger from the cruise ship and the new Italian cases are all ‘related’ to the man in intensive care.

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Ally Pally Snowman
21 February 2020 14:53:10


 


Iran does seem to have a problem and I’m sure cases will multiply quite rapidly there. The Lebanese case is a woman who returned from Iran. The Israeli case is a passenger from the cruise ship and the new Italian cases are all ‘related’ to the man in intensive care.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


 


Trying to keep a lid in this is going to be very very difficult. Some countries will cope better than others but I don't see how we can stop a pandemic now.


 

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Maunder Minimum
21 February 2020 14:58:27

North Korea called off its Pyongyang Marathon scheduled for April after imposing a border lockdown and travel curbs to prevent a coronavirus outbreak.


Surely it is only a matter of time before the Tokyo Olympics are called off. July is not that far away.

New world order coming.
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