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doctormog
14 March 2020 22:04:58


 


Good to know the source  Given that it is likely not fake though, are we actually suggesting the information is more credible than first thought? Could there be similar, not-yet-leaked, information circulating our own hospitals? 


Originally Posted by: SJV 


The thinking behind it is on the original source site. I’m not sure about the author https://rentry.co/covid-19-is-not-like-the-flu/ 

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
Brian Gaze
14 March 2020 22:08:27


 


Good to know the source  Given that it is likely not fake though, are we actually suggesting the information is more credible than first thought? Could there be similar, not-yet-leaked, information circulating our own hospitals? 


Originally Posted by: SJV 


I have no idea how credible it is. However, Whitty and Vallance are assuming a mortality rate of less than 1%. 

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Gooner
14 March 2020 22:13:22


 


You said you understood the reasoning? It’s not because of “social distancing”.


Did you read my previous reply, it explains the timing?


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Ok


Advice - keep your distance This typically means spending more than 15 minutes within two metres


Yet lets put thousands of people together sitting on each others laps 


Forget the timing do it straight away - why wait 


You clearly didn't understand Michael 

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Banbury
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Brian Gaze
14 March 2020 22:13:24

An interesting development. It appears Vallance has been "misrepresented". 


But A Department of Health and Social care spokesperson said that Sir Patrick's comments had been misinterpreted.


"Herd immunity is not part of our action plan, but is a natural by-product of an epidemic. Our aims are to save lives, protect the most vulnerable, and relieve pressure on our NHS," he said.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51892402


 

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Bugglesgate
14 March 2020 22:13:31


I have no idea how credible it is. However, Whitty and Vallance are assuming a mortality rate of less than 1%. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


How do we know what the mortality rate is when we don't know what the infection rate is ?


How many asymptomatic cases are there ?  How many mild cases that don't warrant any kind of professional intervention ? None of those are being tested / quantified.    All I have seen is "guestimates" for both those  figures  which have varied wildly !.


 


 

Chris (It,its)
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"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
NickR
14 March 2020 22:14:41
Yet again I've a sore throat. Been about 3-4 days now.. slight but worse in the evenings. I've read some stuff about it starting in the throat. I'm a little concerned.
Nick
Durham
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Gooner
14 March 2020 22:16:52

Yet again I've a sore throat. Been about 3-4 days now.. slight but worse in the evenings. I've read some stuff about it starting in the throat. I'm a little concerned.

Originally Posted by: NickR 


Ring the number Nick , its clearly a big concern for you , better safe than sorry 

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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Joe Bloggs
14 March 2020 22:18:47

Yet again I've a sore throat. Been about 3-4 days now.. slight but worse in the evenings. I've read some stuff about it starting in the throat. I'm a little concerned.

Originally Posted by: NickR 


My anxiety is through the roof tonight. 


Worried about losing my job. 


You’ll be fine Nick. Only worry when you have a fever. An actual fever which is confirmed. Until then, you’re fine. 


Never underestimate how easy it is to imagine or bring on symptoms due to stress. 


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xioni2
14 March 2020 22:18:54


"Herd immunity is not part of our action plan, 


 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Oh dear.

Bugglesgate
14 March 2020 22:20:17

Yet again I've a sore throat. Been about 3-4 days now.. slight but worse in the evenings. I've read some stuff about it starting in the throat. I'm a little concerned.

Originally Posted by: NickR 


Fever, fatigue and cough seems to be the primary symptoms. 


Personally, I wouldn't be too worried about a sore  throat without any of those as well.


 


 


 

Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
xioni2
14 March 2020 22:21:11

Yet again I've a sore throat. Been about 3-4 days now.. slight but worse in the evenings. I've read some stuff about it starting in the throat. I'm a little concerned.

Originally Posted by: NickR 


A little concern is normal.

Bugglesgate
14 March 2020 22:21:21


 


My anxiety is through the roof tonight. 


Worried about losing my job. 


You’ll be fine Nick. Only worry when you have a fever. An actual fever which is confirmed. Until then, you’re fine. 


Never underestimate how easy it is to imagine or bring on symptoms due to stress. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


 


Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
doctormog
14 March 2020 22:23:16


 


Ok


Advice - keep your distance This typically means spending more than 15 minutes within two metres


Yet lets put thousands of people together sitting on each others laps 


Forget the timing do it straight away - why wait 


You clearly didn't understand Michael 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Thanks for that. Next time I want scientific advice I will ask Arsenal or Man Utd. I understand what you wrote perfectly, I was just explaining you were wrong.


It’s not like this is a debate. You are wrong. I have told you why, argue if you want but the reason given is as I have cleary stated twice. Restating your opinion doesn’t make it less wrong. The sports organisations may have had a different motivation but that is not what prompted the official advice. Football managers are not medical experts and the reason given (for the third time and check a reliable source) is to lessen the burden on emergency services and nothing to do with social distancing.

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
xioni2
14 March 2020 22:23:35


An interesting development. It appears Vallance has been "misrepresented". 


But A Department of Health and Social care spokesperson said that Sir Patrick's comments had been misinterpreted.


"Herd immunity is not part of our action plan, but is a natural by-product of an epidemic. Our aims are to save lives, protect the most vulnerable, and relieve pressure on our NHS," he said.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51892402


 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


The messaging is confused and confusing again as with the daily or not reporting of new cases, the number of tests etc. It just doesn't inspire high confidence..


I still trust our scientists though.


 

Polar Low
14 March 2020 22:24:27

Had the same thing last week Nicky usual stuff doing the rounds even felt hot and cold if I had developed a cough I would have phoned 111 I’m sure you will be fine.Try not worry it won’t do you any good.


 


 


Yet again I've a sore throat. Been about 3-4 days now.. slight but worse in the evenings. I've read some stuff about it starting in the throat. I'm a little concerned.

Originally Posted by: NickR 

speckledjim
14 March 2020 22:24:38


 


Ring the number Nick , its clearly a big concern for you , better safe than sorry 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Theres no point in ringing the number, surely you know the criteria for ringing 111 by now

Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Brian Gaze
14 March 2020 22:25:25

More inferred information which I assume has relevance for all of the UK:


Coronavirus: NI 'school closures will last for at least 16 weeks'


When schools shut in Northern Ireland over coronavirus it will be for at least 16 weeks, Arlene Foster has said.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-51881805


 


 

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Polar Low
14 March 2020 22:30:15

with pay?




More inferred information which I assume has relevance for all of the UK:


Coronavirus: NI 'school closures will last for at least 16 weeks'


When schools shut in Northern Ireland over coronavirus it will be for at least 16 weeks, Arlene Foster has said.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-51881805


 


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Gooner
14 March 2020 22:31:12


 


Thanks for that. Next time I want scientific advice I will ask Arsenal or Man Utd. I understand what you wrote perfectly, I was just explaining you were wrong.


It’s not like this is a debate. You are wrong. I have told you why, argue if you want but the reason given is as I have cleary stated twice. Restating your opinion doesn’t make it less wrong. The sports organisations may have had a different motivation but that is not what prompted the official advice. Football managers are not medical experts and the reason given (for the third time and check a reliable source) is to lessen the burden on emergency services and nothing to do with social distancing.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Have the decency to accept my opinion I accept you are always right 


Its clearly obvious about the services my point is they should have done it earlier .


And I have to say there really isn't a medical expert with this as no one knows where we will end up

Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


doctormog
14 March 2020 22:31:36

Yet again I've a sore throat. Been about 3-4 days now.. slight but worse in the evenings. I've read some stuff about it starting in the throat. I'm a little concerned.

Originally Posted by: NickR 


I can fully understand that. My head says you shouldn’t be but to b pe honest for your peace of mind I would actually  call 111 and explain the situation to them. At the very least it should provide reassurance. Not doing so is probably bad for your health anyway. I don’t think the symptoms sound like Covid-19 from what I have learned but you are certainly wasting nobody’s time by calling.


Stress and anxiety can themselves be serious health issues and getting some kind of answer is always better than fearing what that answer may be. I know the official advice but I think it is to stop everyone ringing 111 every time they sneeze. Explain things to them and if they are doing the job they should be they should understand and give you the correct advice.

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
doctormog
14 March 2020 22:33:33


 


Have the decency to accept my opinion I accept you are always right 


Its clearly obvious about the services my point is they should have done it earlier .


And I have to say there really isn't a medical expert with this as no one knows where we will end up


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


The point Is the medical services were not overloaded a week ago so the advice would have caused disruption for no benefit whatsoever! Timing is important.

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
NickR
14 March 2020 22:34:01


More inferred information which I assume has relevance for all of the UK:


Coronavirus: NI 'school closures will last for at least 16 weeks'


When schools shut in Northern Ireland over coronavirus it will be for at least 16 weeks, Arlene Foster has said.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-51881805


 


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


That makes me feel less worried about my kids missing the next 1-2 weeks. What will that matter?


Thanks to everyone for their concern. Stress and anxiety could well be part of it.  I'll see how I am in the morning.

Nick
Durham
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Gandalf The White
14 March 2020 22:34:54


 


It could be fake but I am reliably told that some NHS managers have circulated it. They could have been caught out by it.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It would be worrying if healthcare professionals fell for that.

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NickR
14 March 2020 22:35:18


 


The point Is the medical services were not overloaded a week ago so the advice would have caused disruption for no benefit whatsoever! Timing is important.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


But... the whole point is there is a 2-3 week lag. So the fact services were not overloaded a week ago is irrelevant.

Nick
Durham
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Gooner
14 March 2020 22:36:08


 


Theres no point in ringing the number, surely you know the criteria for ringing 111 by now


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


There are many symptoms of the virus , sore throat actually being one of them , I found out today that a girl who works for us in customer services rang 111 ( after have a 2 day sore throat ) and the advice was …………………….self isolate for a week?


Yet a guy who works for me in Operations had a cough , tight chest and complained of being hot for 2 days , rang 111 , they sent him to the doctor who then said to him " what are you worried about "


 


Work that lot out 

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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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