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Arcus
15 March 2020 21:21:51


Not all horses finish but some always do working so hard behind the scenes 


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Absolutely. And it needs to be a global effort that is shared and manufactured equally when it does happen, despite Mr. Trump's apparent push to monetise and monopolise the potential vaccine. But hey, that's capitalism isn't it?


Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
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NickR
15 March 2020 21:22:48


A study showing expected death rate by age group using data from Italy



Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I'm 44... looks like the key age!


Nick
Durham
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Gooner
15 March 2020 21:23:31


 


The issue is the length of time any controls are in place. There is nothing we can do to stop the virus from spreading - just look at the European mainland. Whatever measures they have taken have not seemed to make much difference. We are at least behind them by perhaps a week but we’ll soon have similar numbers to Spain, France and Germany. 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


True and yes I take your point its going to spread but surely limiting the contact amongst the public has to be a deterrent 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
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NickR
15 March 2020 21:23:31


 


The issue is the length of time any controls are in place. There is nothing we can do to stop the virus from spreading - just look at the European mainland. Whatever measures they have taken have not seemed to make much difference. We are at least behind them by perhaps a week but we’ll soon have similar numbers to Spain, France and Germany. 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


There absolutely is something we can do to stop the virus from spreading - just look at several Asian countries.


 


Nick
Durham
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xioni2
15 March 2020 21:24:14

To give just a tiny example, HMG had spend £140 million on bombarding us daily with a misleading and pointless campaign on Brexit ('Get ready for Brexit, it's happening on 31 October').


There has been no similar campaign on Covid-19 and as a result we had quite a few cases in Feb of infected people turning up at GP surgeries or A&Es.


It's all about priorities and quality of leadership I guess.


 

Ally Pally Snowman
15 March 2020 21:24:36


 


For all the reasons already discussed. Closing schools for instance - what would it achieve, other than forcing parents (including NHS workers) to chose work or possibly dumping the children on grandparents?


School children have mild symptoms if any, but closing schools would be incredibly disruptive. Likewise, I see no point in closing pubs or restaurants, provided strict hygiene measures are in force and any staff with symptoms self isolate.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


Most Children do have mild symptoms but they can pass it on to older people who can die. Robert Peston tweeted that key workers children will get free child care at schools.  It's insane not to shut schools. By fannying about this last week has probably guaranteed Italy numbers here in two weeks.


 


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Gandalf The White
15 March 2020 21:25:44


 


The issue is the length of time any controls are in place. There is nothing we can do to stop the virus from spreading - just look at the European mainland. Whatever measures they have taken have not seemed to make much difference. We are at least behind them by perhaps a week but we’ll soon have similar numbers to Spain, France and Germany. 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Don't forget that there's a lag of up to two weeks before the results of any measures appear in the data because of the incubation period. In the interim we'll continue to see cases appear that result from the previous control regime.  


 


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speckledjim
15 March 2020 21:27:14


 


There absolutely is something we can do to stop the virus from spreading - just look at several Asian countries.


 


Originally Posted by: NickR 


We can’t stop it from spreading now, we would have needed to completely lockdown and close borders 2 weeks ago. We can try and slow the spread by social distancing but we can’t stop it. 


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
CreweCold
15 March 2020 21:27:23


To give just a tiny example, HMG had spend £140 million on bombarding us daily with a misleading and pointless campaign on Brexit ('Get ready for Brexit, it's happening on 31 October').


There has been no similar campaign on Covid-19 and as a result we had quite a few cases in Feb of infected people turning up at GP surgeries or A&Es.


It's all about priorities and quality of leadership I guess.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


It was lunacy not to stop Chinese flights back in January and it was idiocy not to stop Italian flights a few weeks back. 


We had the opportunity to be way way ahead of the curve on this but gross incompetence and short sightedness put paid to that. 



Crewe, Cheshire
55 metres above sea level
Gooner
15 March 2020 21:27:51


 


 


Most Children do have mild symptoms but they can pass it on to older people who can die. Robert Peston tweeted that key workers children will get free child care at schools.  It's insane not to shut schools. By fannying about this last week has probably guaranteed Italy numbers here in two weeks.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Agreed secondary schools have 1,000 + pupils and more its a breeding ground , they are less likely to die but they can sure as hell pass it on , and if parents pass the kids to the grandparents then that is just fool hardy 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Heavy Weather 2013
15 March 2020 21:30:18

Look I am not a Trump Fan and he does spout some rubbish, he was also late to the party. But in the last seven days he has been very visible.

He has addressed the nation, he has been giving updates. Tonight for example asking people not to panic buy.

All weekend shoppers have stripping shelves. The PM nowhere to be seen


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Ally Pally Snowman
15 March 2020 21:30:32


 


Agreed secondary schools have 1,000 + pupils and more its a breeding ground , they are less likely to die but they can sure as hell pass it on , and if parents pass the kids to the grandparents then that is just fool hardy 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


It's just so maddening why the hell are we waiting. 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Gavin D
15 March 2020 21:30:38
President Trump: "The virus is very contagious, but we have it under control."

Saint Snow
15 March 2020 21:31:19


 


 


Most Children do have mild symptoms but they can pass it on to older people who can die. Robert Peston tweeted that key workers children will get free child care at schools.  It's insane not to shut schools. By fannying about this last week has probably guaranteed Italy numbers here in two weeks.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


If schools close, parents have now lost the option for grandparents to look after the kids through the day so will have to be off to look after the kids. For some, that is not an option as their employers won't sanction it (and this right-wing govt refuses to force employers to be more flexible and sympathetic)


With the elderly grandparents self-isolating anyway, they won't be in contact with the grandkids to get infected.


 


 



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
speckledjim
15 March 2020 21:32:45


 


 


It's just so maddening why the hell are we waiting. 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Because they will be off for months


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
xioni2
15 March 2020 21:33:31

Another critical article of the UK approach:


Why have they abandoned population testing and contact tracing to identify and seclude clusters of infections? They recommend only testing cases in hospital. Won’t this strategy ensure that the spread of the virus is intense and will cause more infections and more deaths in the near term?


Why do they recommend self-isolation only for people with symptoms when Maria Van Kerkhove of the WHO reports that “it seems that people shed more virus in the early phases rather than the late phases of disease”? Asymptomatic contacts may be highly infectious, so they should be tested, isolated and followed up in the community. Will they set up quarantine centres to help those who have no family support or are homeless, or need social care?


What are their plans for national, district, municipal, village and community mobilisation? “Nudge” is not enough. We need to devolve power and autonomy to allow locally intelligent decisions around a coherent national strategy. What is their detailed strategy for screening of infected people in the home, and provision of CT scans for those with early signs of pneumonia and to identify those at high risk? Without an all-out national mobilisation for social distancing, are the behavioural and nudge strategies really evidence-based to flatten the peak? Or simply based on models?


Why are we emphasising herd immunity now? Does coronavirus induce strong herd immunity or is it like flu, where immunity remains weak and new strains emerge each year? We have much to learn about Covid-19 immune responses.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/uk-covid-19-strategy-questions-unanswered-coronavirus-outbreak

Saint Snow
15 March 2020 21:34:01

President Trump: "The virus is very contagious, but we have it under control."

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


 


Q. How can you tell when Trump is lying?


A. His lips move.


 


His cretinous 'base' will believe him though (well, most will, the others will think coronavirus to be a punishment from god for allowing abortion and gays to marry), because America is full of backward pricks. 


 



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Gooner
15 March 2020 21:34:12


 


 


If schools close, parents have now lost the option for grandparents to look after the kids through the day so will have to be off to look after the kids. For some, that is not an option as their employers won't sanction it (and this right-wing govt refuses to force employers to be more flexible and sympathetic)


With the elderly grandparents self-isolating anyway, they won't be in contact with the grandkids to get infected.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


This day and age jobs will be safe, time off for dependants and in this current climate no one would argue or could argue 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gavin D
15 March 2020 21:34:46
More from Trump

"We’re doing really really well, a lot of good things are going to happen. It’s a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something we have tremendous control of."
Ally Pally Snowman
15 March 2020 21:34:52


Look I am not a Trump Fan and he does spout some rubbish, he was also late to the party. But in the last seven days he has been very visible.

He has addressed the nation, he has been giving updates. Tonight for example asking people not to panic buy.

All weekend shoppers have stripping shelves. The PM nowhere to be seen


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


 


There is still time but Boris has been completely inept so far. They still think they can walk the tightrope of deaths or economy.  It's like they haven't heard of Wuhan. 


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Polar Low
15 March 2020 21:35:34

Many are looked after by Grandparents,,of course if it can happen for what ever reason, I’m not afraid to admit I relied on them heavily when my son was in hospital to look after remaining  siblings at home.


extremely grateful!!



 


 


Most Children do have mild symptoms but they can pass it on to older people who can die. Robert Peston tweeted that key workers children will get free child care at schools.  It's insane not to shut schools. By fannying about this last week has probably guaranteed Italy numbers here in two weeks.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Gooner
15 March 2020 21:35:48


 


Because they will be off for months


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Home projects - shorten the summer holidays - get rid of the October half term , do the same next year if needs be 


 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


xioni2
15 March 2020 21:35:57

More from Trump

"We’re doing really really well, a lot of good things are going to happen. It’s a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something we have tremendous control of."

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


It's not even like a B movie!

SJV
15 March 2020 21:36:26

More from Trump

"We’re doing really really well, a lot of good things are going to happen. It’s a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something we have tremendous control of."

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


As HW says, at least he's showing his face. He might be spouting his usual lies but at least he's willing to address the public in person.

Gooner
15 March 2020 21:37:34


 


As HW says, at least he's showing his face. He might be spouting his usual lies but at least he's willing to address the public in person.


Originally Posted by: SJV 


Yep id agree with that and that idiot Boris is no where to be seen 


Wonder if the American public believe DT


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


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