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NickR
NickR
15 March 2020 20:36:33


7.9million could be in hospital over the next year with 4/5 expected to be infected over two waves


 




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


But surely a SK type approach could avoid this and keep numbers low until a vaccine.


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Saint Snow
15 March 2020 20:36:45


Listening to the news tonight, it sounds like more supermarkets are rationing the per item amounts.  But there are always those who will fill their car boot and go back round!  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


 


Wouldn't surpriseme if half are 'corner shop' owners trying to profiteer.



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David M Porter
15 March 2020 20:39:40


 


No point getting stressed about it Que Sera Sera.


Some of us saw it coming a couple of months ago - I give you Quantum.


Anyhow, for a bit of light relief, read Rod Liddle in the ST today and here is another insightful piece:


https://unherd.com/2020/03/no-prejudice-is-not-our-greatest-enemy-coronavirus-is/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3


 


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I only wish that HMG had had the foresight that Q has a couple of months ago, and had acted accordingly at that time.


Had they done so, while they probably wouldn't have been able to keep coronavirus away from the UK completely, they may have been able to lessen the effect of it on this country at least a bit. For one thing, we might have avoided the wholly unfortunate situation we now have of so many people panic buying and almost emptying shop shelves.


 


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Bugglesgate
15 March 2020 20:43:06


I also can't help feeling increasingly angry at the backwards freaks who, by scoffing wild animals, have caused this. Those gobshites would eat a turd if it grew legs and some pillock 6 centuries ago said it cured headaches and a floppy dick.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 



Glad I'm not the only one !


How many Millions world wide will die becuase  people wanted to  impress their friends with a  stupidly expensive  and hideously illegal Pangolin   stew (or whatever !)


To be fair to the Chinese, their Govt has made these livestock markets illegal but I wouldn't be surprised  if local officials turned a blind eye to such markets becuase of "local culture" !


 


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Caz
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15 March 2020 20:44:21


 


 


Wouldn't surpriseme if half are 'corner shop' owners trying to profiteer.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

You’re probably right there!     Where else are all these things going?


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xioni2
15 March 2020 20:48:48

Lowering the peak:

Originally Posted by: NickR 

">https://twitter.com/donmoyn/status/1239239417715396609?s=19



bowser
15 March 2020 20:50:17

I don't see the point in panic buying. All the countries with severe restrictions still allow food shopping and seeing as you would have no idea if or when you might be infected all your supplies could run out before then.

Originally Posted by: westv 


i actually think it’s rational seeing as we import 80% of our food! What happens when exporters hoard more?

xioni2
15 March 2020 20:51:47


 To be fair to the Chinese, their Govt has made these livestock markets illegal but I wouldn't be surprised  if local officials turned a blind eye to such markets becuase of "local culture" !


 

Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


I had read an article saying the ban on those markets in China made things worse as it pushed everything underground. Proper regulation and enforcement could be a better option?

CreweCold
15 March 2020 20:51:54


 


But surely a SK type approach could avoid this and keep numbers low until a vaccine.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


It was entirely possible to delay this with harsh measures until a vaccine was readied. However, they have seemingly chosen money over lives. That's the long and short of it.



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Gavin D
15 March 2020 20:52:17
Some more positive news on Corona the McLaren team member in Melbourne, Australia is 'recovering well' and is 'now free of symptoms'

14 team members are still in 14-day self-isolation in Australia 'as a precaution' 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51902264 
xioni2
15 March 2020 21:00:29


 It was entirely possible to delay this with harsh measures until a vaccine was readied. However, they have seemingly chosen money over lives. That's the long and short of it.


Originally Posted by: CreweCold 


Quite a few people I know think along similar lines. The argument (not mine!) could be that a severe economic fallout could harm more people.


 

John Mason
15 March 2020 21:06:20


One thing that I have not seen proposed yet,on here or elsewhere is that the govt suspend the sunday trading laws ans allow the big supermarkets to stay open 24/7 if they wish along with 24//7 deliveries.I also think its time to bring in strict rationing on ALL items that people can buy to ensure there is enough for everyone especially for those getting stuff for the over 70`s. This panic buying/hoarding has to be forecibly stopped.


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


 


We have rationing of certain items (like loo-roll packs) at one of the stores in Machynlleth. No more than 3 of said items can be purchased. So far, this is working well - and this from a community where, to date, there are no reported cases. The practice should definitely be introduced more widely.

xioni2
15 March 2020 21:07:08

Doing their bit for HMG and country 



 

Ally Pally Snowman
15 March 2020 21:07:09


 


Quite a few people I know think along similar lines. The argument (not mine!) could be that a severe economic fallout could harm more people.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


They really  need to get on with it now. if we don't have significant quarantining, banning of public events and school closures by Friday it really will be nothing short of f##king reckless.  


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Maunder Minimum
15 March 2020 21:08:09


 


Quite a few people I know think along similar lines. The argument (not mine!) could be that a severe economic fallout could harm more people.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


That is precisely the point. Where I personally think the UK Government got it wrong, was in not restricting travel more and earlier. I know we cannot keep the virus out, but fewer people returning from hotspots would surely have reduced the extent and depth of the spread of the virus, helping to "flatten the sombrero".


France and Spain had no chance without closing land borders, but all we had to do in the UK was to put out storng FCO advice against visiting places which had demonstrable epidemics.


New world order coming.
ozone_aurora
15 March 2020 21:08:20


 


 


Hey, I wasn't taking your post as criticism. I was just struck with a sense of guilt that people were sympathising with me when others are having a way tougher time.


Here if you need to talk - as are numerous other UIA regulars who are mostly a bunch of good people. 



Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Okay, thanks Saint. 

Polar Low
15 March 2020 21:09:55
Gooner
15 March 2020 21:10:16


 


 


They really  need to get on with it now. if we don't have significant quarantining, banning of public events and school closures by Friday it really will be nothing short of f##king reckless.  


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Yep 


I don't get why they are dragging their feet with this 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Maunder Minimum
15 March 2020 21:13:28


 


Yep 


I don't get why they are dragging their feet with this 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


For all the reasons already discussed. Closing schools for instance - what would it achieve, other than forcing parents (including NHS workers) to chose work or possibly dumping the children on grandparents?


School children have mild symptoms if any, but closing schools would be incredibly disruptive. Likewise, I see no point in closing pubs or restaurants, provided strict hygiene measures are in force and any staff with symptoms self isolate.


New world order coming.
xioni2
15 March 2020 21:14:09

A study showing expected death rates in the UK by age group using observed data from Italy


Arcus
15 March 2020 21:15:04


Looks like vaccine phase 1 will begin about April let hope it goes well!


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/when-will-a-coronavirus-vaccine-be-ready-human-trials-global-immunisation


 

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Yes, let's hope so. It would be bad news for some countries if all the horses failed to finish, then it would be possibly 2 years rather than 18 months


Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
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speckledjim
15 March 2020 21:15:38


 


Yep 


I don't get why they are dragging their feet with this 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


The issue is the length of time any controls are in place. There is nothing we can do to stop the virus from spreading - just look at the European mainland. Whatever measures they have taken have not seemed to make much difference. We are at least behind them by perhaps a week but we’ll soon have similar numbers to Spain, France and Germany. 


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Polar Low
15 March 2020 21:18:06

Not all horses finish but some always do working so hard behind the scenes 




 


Yes, let's hope so. It would be bad news for some countries if all the horses failed to finish, then it would be possibly 2 years rather than 18 months


Originally Posted by: Arcus 

xioni2
15 March 2020 21:19:57

I think so far we have seen a failure of leadership by HMG and European governments. Time will tell whether the strict measures employed by several European countries or the more cautious approach of HMG will work out best.


The Asian countries had provided clear models of how our countries should have reacted. Nothing academic, theoretical or modelling, proper action in real time.

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