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DEW
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16 March 2020 15:40:06

Passed through M&S Food half an hour ago. All fresh food &ready meals shelves well stocked,


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Saint Snow
16 March 2020 15:43:50


Let's say the true number of cases is A(t), and the confirmed cases are C(t). Provided C(t) is proportional to A(t) then the data is still useful. Even if the relationship is slightly non linear it's not too much of a problem since we are dealing with exponential growth. The problem comes when we see saturation because C(t) for each day reaches a maximun value due to testing limitations. I don't think we have saturated yet though.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


I get the point, but we have no idea the proportion of A(t) to C(t). Experts I've heard generally believe it to be something between 10x and 50x, possibly higher.


I'd be amazed if the true number of people who have or have had Covid-19 in the UK wasn't well over 100,000 - and most of them haven't realised it.


 


 



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Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 15:46:50

The UK is now at a crossroads IMO. Italy saw a brief drop in new cases (to about 240 per day I think) before things exploded. The way forward is very clear for the UK: a massive effort to push back must be undertaken during the next 2 weeks. I'm convinced the virus can be controlled and repelled as the WHO have repeatedly suggested. What frightens the living daylights out of me is the possibility of Whitty and Vallance deciding the rate of infection is too low and therefore turning on the transmission taps to bump it up.


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Chunky Pea
16 March 2020 15:48:30


 


 


It was.


Tripped over a low wall in the pitch black, fell around 10 feet, did a half somersault without trying to, landed on my back on large pebbles that formed the bank of a river. Broke them about two inches away from my spine. About a week later, momentarily forgot I'd done it when a sneeze crept up on me. As I sneezed, I felt the beginning-to-knit ribs re-snap. That was more painful than the initial break.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yikes. 


Often the initial 'shock' following on from such a fall will mask the pain of any injuries I have found. 


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The Beast from the East
16 March 2020 15:49:55


The UK is now at a crossroads IMO. Italy saw a brief drop in new cases (to about 240 per day I think) before things exploded. The way forward is very clear for the UK: a massive effort to push back must be undertaken during the next 2 weeks. I'm convinced the virus can be controlled and repelled as the WHO have repeatedly suggested. What frightens the living daylights out of me is the possibility of Whitty and Vallance deciding the rate of infection is too low and therefore turning on the transmission taps to bump it up.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Keep the beaches open! There is no Shark. Hopefully Bozo will be copying his hero today, the Mayor of Amytiville


 


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Ulric
16 March 2020 15:49:58


I get the point, but we have no idea the proportion of A(t) to C(t). Experts I've heard generally believe it to be something between 10x and 50x, possibly higher.


I'd be amazed if the true number of people who have or have had Covid-19 in the UK wasn't well over 100,000 - and most of them haven't realised it.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Thats what I'm hoping.


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Heavy Weather 2013
16 March 2020 15:52:52

Full figures for the UK are yet to be released I think.


Its clear there has been some confusion.


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Heavy Weather 2013
16 March 2020 15:53:59


The UK is now at a crossroads IMO. Italy saw a brief drop in new cases (to about 240 per day I think) before things exploded. The way forward is very clear for the UK: a massive effort to push back must be undertaken during the next 2 weeks. I'm convinced the virus can be controlled and repelled as the WHO have repeatedly suggested. What frightens the living daylights out of me is the possibility of Whitty and Vallance deciding the rate of infection is too low and therefore turning on the transmission taps to bump it up.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I don't think the full figures have yet been released.


Mark
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speckledjim
16 March 2020 15:57:43


 


 


The amount of confirmed cases becomes immaterial after awhile as far too many people will have it to possibly test. It's hospitalisation and deaths now that are important.  That goes for the UK as well as we are only testing people ill enough to be admitted to hospital. 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


.019% of the Spanish population are confirmed to have it so we have a way to go yet before it is immaterial


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Saint Snow
16 March 2020 15:57:49


Passed through M&S Food half an hour ago. All fresh food &ready meals shelves well stocked,


Originally Posted by: DEW 


 


That's because they're excessively priced.


I've been in probably half a dozen shops over the last 3 days (from supermarket megastore to local Co-Op) and invariably, all dried pasta was gone. Same with toilet rolls, hand soap, washing up liquid. Very little or no stock left of nappies, babywipes, paracetamol, anti-bacterial cleaners (sprays & wipes). Variable (from sold out to full shelves) stocks of milk, cereals, pasta sauces, olive/sunflower/vegetable oil, tinned meat/fish, tinned veg.


 



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John p
16 March 2020 15:59:10

WHO telling us to test all suspected cases.


”You can’t fight a fire blindfolded”.


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speckledjim
16 March 2020 16:00:25


The UK is now at a crossroads IMO. Italy saw a brief drop in new cases (to about 240 per day I think) before things exploded. The way forward is very clear for the UK: a massive effort to push back must be undertaken during the next 2 weeks. I'm convinced the virus can be controlled and repelled as the WHO have repeatedly suggested. What frightens the living daylights out of me is the possibility of Whitty and Vallance deciding the rate of infection is too low and therefore turning on the transmission taps to bump it up.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


The last time Italy cases only grew by 240 was 28/02. Before that it's growth per day steadily grew so there has never been a time when it dropped.


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Saint Snow
16 March 2020 16:02:41


 


Yikes. 


Often the initial 'shock' following on from such a fall will mask the pain of any injuries I have found. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


 


That and I was p*ssed.



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16 March 2020 16:03:18
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Essan
16 March 2020 16:08:34


The amount of confirmed cases becomes immaterial after awhile as far too many people will have it to possibly test. It's hospitalisation and deaths now that are important.  That goes for the UK as well as we are only testing people ill enough to be admitted to hospital


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



But in that case, tests show that most of the people ill enough to be admitted to hospital don't have it

In any case, the most important figure is the number who have fully recovered.   But of course, saying nearly everyone has recovered, or are sat at home bored half to death with just a slight cough, isn't going to induce fear and panic .....


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Chunky Pea
16 March 2020 16:09:38


That and I was p*ssed.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



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speckledjim
16 March 2020 16:14:18
A friend of mine is a consultant at one of the major hospitals in Leeds. He has picked up a cough and now has to self isolate. Can't remember who said it but they are right, they should be testing all NHS staff who are having to self isolate.
Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Heavy Weather 2013
16 March 2020 16:19:02

Right now I am confused.


Yesterday 232 cases were confirmed, I just looked back at the previous thread for yesterday figures.


This dashboard shows that there were 330 new cases yesterday.


https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14.


Mark
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Gooner
16 March 2020 16:20:42

The health chief in Birmingham City council has said the spread of the virus in that city is moving more quickly than anticipated , focus has moved away from testing


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Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 16:21:22

I'm not convinced there is a massive reservoir of undiagnosed cases. If there was how would Asian countries be able to keep numbers under control? Makes no sense to me.


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Saint Snow
16 March 2020 16:21:46

Also WRT the figures, there are at least 2 people in St Helens with coronavirus - as three separate schools have sent letters home advising that the parent of a child has been confirmed as having coronavirus (one of the schools is a primary that feeds into one of the two senior schools, so it may be the parent of siblings in each school) but the official figures (per the BBC interactive map) shows just one case here.


Yes, it's an absolute triviality in itself, but if it's repeated around the country...



Martin
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Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 16:22:15


The health chief in Birmingham City council has said the spread of the virus in that city is moving more quickly than anticipated , focus has moved away from testing


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Again mixed messages. The stats from the last couple of days would on the face of it suggest the opposite. However, I know there is confusion about today's numbers and therefore I could be wrong.


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Gooner
16 March 2020 16:25:19


Also WRT the figures, there are at least 2 people in St Helens with coronavirus - as three separate schools have sent letters home advising that the parent of a child has been confirmed as having coronavirus (one of the schools is a primary that feeds into one of the two senior schools, so it may be the parent of siblings in each school) but the official figures (per the BBC interactive map) shows just one case here.


Yes, it's an absolute triviality in itself, but if it's repeated around the country...


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Hmmm my thoughts too maybe there is several days lag , but have to be honest I was expecting cases of 300 - 400 a day being reported by now, consistantly


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westv
16 March 2020 16:25:31


I'm not convinced there is a massive reservoir of undiagnosed cases. If there was how would Asian countries be able to keep numbers under control? Makes no sense to me.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Hotter countries??


At least it will be mild!
Essan
16 March 2020 16:26:57

Shouldn't it be a 30 day block on people leaving the EU?

https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/16/eu-introduces-30-day-restriction-on-all-non-essential-travel-to-bloc


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