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xioni2
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:07:36 PM


I think this thread is bad for my mental health. 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


And the previous post was my positive, can do message.



 

ozone_aurora
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:08:37 PM


I haven't read a lot of today's posts, but I'd urge people to take responsibility for themselves. I am not a sensationalist person, I am a scientist, but people need to change their behaviour right now. The updated epidemiological report from the team that had advised the HMG on mitigation (herd immunity) says that if we now do last week's strategy, then the best case scenario would be 250,000 deaths in the UK.


They now propose what European countries are doing and they are saying that closing schools is the single most effective measure to slow down the infection.


This is has been a big failure of UK science, politics and probably of the media too (for failing to ask the right questions), but it's not the time for blame. There is nothing more wrong in persisting with a wrong strategy and there is a lot of merit in recognising your mistake and change quickly.


Unfortunately a big surge/tsunami is now heading for the ICUs of the NHS and there is nothing we can do to stop it. We could easily have hundreds of deaths daily before the end of this month/ What the govt and the people do now though will have a big impact on what will happen in April.


We need a complete shutdown now as the one happening in Europe. People should stop seeing (if they can) their elderly loved ones and vulnerable people and they should stop socialising.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Excellent post! 

John p
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:08:47 PM


 


 


Yes, excellent point.


Once developed, it needs to be widely available. 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


The problem is, making 60m+ of anything (tests, vaccines) will take an enormous amount of time.


I don’t see any way out of this before the end of the year and frankly that is hard for my brain to compute!


Camberley, Surrey
NickR
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:10:25 PM
However long the lockdown, the one certainty is that I will still not manage to clear out and tidy my shed.
Nick
Durham
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xioni2
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:11:27 PM

However long the lockdown, the one certainty is that I will still not manage to clear out and tidy my shed.

Originally Posted by: NickR 


 don't be so certain Nick.

warrenb
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:13:34 PM

However long the lockdown, the one certainty is that I will still not manage to clear out and tidy my shed.

Originally Posted by: NickR 


 


You may have time, but will the tip be open.


I am looking at this time to have a darn good clear out (In the domestic sense) and almost start again.


Gooner
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:18:44 PM

We now have 5 in the business off self isolating , be shutting the doors at this rate 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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nsrobins
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:19:45 PM
Something jogged in my memory when I mentioned ‘war footing’ earlier. My job takes (or did) me up and down the roads of the UK and in the last few weeks I’ve seen many more military convoys than normal. Last Friday the Longmoor Camp on the A3 was noticeably busy with trucks and personnel.
Might be just a coincidence?
Neil
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xioni2
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:22:58 PM

Four epidemiologists from Harvard and Boston:


The direction of the UK Government strategy on the COVID-19 pandemic must change immediately to prevent catastrophe


https://www.dropbox.com/s/d5jqdmsxgwrjz6v/ICU_beds.pdf

Quantum
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:24:46 PM


 


Don't forget we also have a no deal Brexit a few months away!


But that's what the plebs voted for. Make themselves poorer to see a few less foreigners


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Can you give it a rest for once?


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xioni2
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:27:13 PM

They estimate that on current HMG strategy at the peak 8,610 people aged 20-40 years old in the UK will require IC treatment, which is double the current ICU capacity.


 



Four epidemiologists from Harvard and Boston:


The direction of the UK Government strategy on the COVID-19 pandemic must change immediately to prevent catastrophe


https://www.dropbox.com/s/d5jqdmsxgwrjz6v/ICU_beds.pdf


Originally Posted by: xioni2 

fairweather
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:30:15 PM


 


Exams can be rescheduled. What about a life?


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


If only either were that simple. My poor grandson was over the moon last week after being offered a place at Bristol University. He has been working like mad because he needs a grade higher in two subjects than his predicted grades. If  they use them as entrance criteria he will be distraught. A friend's son left suicide notes last year after failing the interview for Cambridge.


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Gavin D
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:30:59 PM
All Horse racing in the UK suspended from tomorrow until the end of April
Gavin D
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:32:47 PM

Euro 2020 delayed until 2021

Norges Fotballforbund

UEFA har bestemt at EM utsettes til 2021. Det skal spilles fra 11. juni til 11. juli neste år. Mer informasjon kommer.

UEFA has decided that the European Championship is postponed until 2021. It will be played from 11. June to 11. July next year. More information is coming.


 


https://twitter.com/nff_info/status/1239888676517273601

xioni2
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:35:32 PM

I just wonder how much role British exceptionalism has played into this. At least though our epidemiology experts have now changed their official advice to HMG, but I guess that won't prevent them from being dragged into future Inquiries.

fairweather
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:36:12 PM


 


I meant specifics. Do people take a year out, or do the universities delay opening and so. It was not a rhetorical question, it was an enquiry so your sound bites do not help or add anything of worth.


It is a question people (including examination bodies) are really struggling with currently so I was wondering what a workable solution was. I do wonder if Darren’s suggestion, however complicated it may be, would be the only workable one as indeed “everyone will be in the same boat”?


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


They aren't in the same boat really though, depending on what is decided. It's a similar dilemma to the football leagues with regard to promotion and relegation, although of course of much greater importance. As I said above, some will have University places based on grades that they may or may not have achieved in their 'S' levels. Some would have done worse in their actual A levels and some better than predicted.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Gavin D
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:36:28 PM
Breaking: The Foreign Office is advising against all non-essential foreign travel for an initial period of 30 days.
xioni2
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:39:59 PM

A professor at Yale University who specialises in research on social networks and contagion, calls school closures “one of the most beneficial ‘non-pharmaceutical interventions’ that can be employed, more effective even than reactive quarantines or banning of public gatherings,” in part because “parents also stay home as a result”


Our experts now agree, so I think it's just a matter of time.

NickR
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:41:30 PM


 


They aren't in the same boat really though, depending on what is decided. It's a similar dilemma to the football leagues with regard to promotion and relegation, although of course of much greater importance. As I said above, some will have University places based on grades that they may or may not have achieved in their 'S' levels. Some would have done worse in their actual A levels and some better than predicted.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Year 13 is the big one because if this cohort do not go to University in October, HE funding collapses... unless the govt underwrite/provide those funds. I don't know what the solution will be to this.


Nick
Durham
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howham
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:43:23 PM


 


Agree. At the moment it's positive because people like Arteta and Hanks are saying they have recovered. The problems will start when a high profile one drops dead. It will happen sooner or later.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


The Queen isn't getting any younger...

Brian Gaze
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:45:04 PM


A professor at Yale University who specialises in research on social networks and contagion, calls school closures “one of the most beneficial ‘non-pharmaceutical interventions’ that can be employed, more effective even than reactive quarantines or banning of public gatherings,” in part because “parents also stay home as a result”


Our experts now agree, so I think it's just a matter of time.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


An announcement will be made today I expect. Something along the lines of "schools must close by Friday this week at the latest". Most parents will have their kids at home from Thursday at the latest.


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Quantum
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:45:32 PM

Think we need some form of 'conscription'


Anyone who has tested positive and then negitive for COVID should be drafted into public service according to their skill set. Medical students should be sent to work in the NHS for example.


 


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29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
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Heavy Weather 2013
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:48:42 PM

I am speaking to my contact who works in a school. They had 160 pupils off yesterday.


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Gavin D
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:54:01 PM

London faces new coronavirus clampdown in bid to limit outbreak deaths




Quote


Ministers are ready to order a “harder” London-specific clampdown soon on socialising to limit deaths from a looming surge in coronavirus cases. Plans are being drawn up for regional responses to a spiralling Covid-19 epidemic which is already starting in the capital amid fears that hospitals will struggle to cope.


An urgent review of whether to close schools is being carried out. So far the advice has been to avoid such a move, but if it were to happen it is most likely to be imposed in London first. Italian and French-style lockdowns have also not been ruled out but the Government has so far shied away from taking such draconian, economy-crippling steps. 


The outbreak in the UK is now heavily concentrated in London. As of yesterday, 480 out of 1,543 confirmed cases were in the capital, with a further 173 in the South East. 


In a sign of the huge pressure on health services, the London Ambulance Service had its busiest day ever yesterday. LAS chief executive Garrett Emmerson said: “We are seeing unprecedented demand for both our 999 and 111 services at the moment.


Yesterday was the busiest day ever for our 999 service with nearly 8,000 calls. Unfortunately, the huge volumes of 111 calls we are receiving from people who could potentially use the website nhs.uk/coronavirus means that more vulnerable Londoners who may not have the ability to access the internet, for instance older people, are struggling to get through.” 





 


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/london-coronavirus-clampdown-covid-19-a4389451.html


Maunder Minimum
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:58:40 PM


 


You've changed your tune. I remember you mocking Q and Maunder a few weeks back


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


That was when I was calling for travel restrictions - proper travel restrictions at the time would have reduced the spread and intensity of epidemics.


People quote Italy travel ban on China not working - but of course it didn't because Italy is in Schengen - either all Schengen zone should have stopped all flights to and from China, or all member countries should have done so.


The WHO was behind the curve too - they did not recommend the kind of travel and holiday restrictions required at the time, including (and I am not sorry to bang on about this) recommended that all cruises should have stopped in January (certainly in the Far East).


New world order coming.

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