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Quantum
17 March 2020 14:27:27

If it's two weeks I wonder if anyone has considered this kind of approach.



Instead of all the other options (purple, orange, green). What about an oscilating approach? Flick the curfews on and off (while still keeping a base line of social distancing) to produce the blue curve.


 


2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 2 days with snow/sleet falling
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Justin W
17 March 2020 14:28:52


 


Wow only 10% capacity? That's encouraging.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 




Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Gavin D
17 March 2020 14:28:58

New cases could start to fall in two to three weeks


 


 



Quantum
17 March 2020 14:29:32

So essentially have 'quarantine holidays'. Designate the first week every two months a 'holiday' where people are expected to socially distance themselves but the harshest measures relax.


This will alieviate the burden of locking down for several months while hopefully keeping things at a relatively low level.


 


2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 2 days with snow/sleet falling
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
xioni2
17 March 2020 14:32:25

People who want to be informed and they don't easily get stressed should read the updated modelling advice and guidance from the team at Imperial. This is the team that is advising SAGE & HMG.


 


https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf


 


 

Maunder Minimum
17 March 2020 14:32:30

Meanwhile in Iran (according to the Telegraph):


"Iran's state television has issued its most drastic warning so far about the new coronavirus, saying the outbreak could kill "millions" in the Islamic Republic if the public keeps traveling and ignoring health guidance.





A state television journalist, who also is a medical doctor, gave the warning only hours after hard-line Shiite faithful the previous night pushed their way into the courtyards of two major shrines that had just been closed over fears of the virus. Meanwhile, Iran's supreme leader issued a religious ruling prohibiting "unnecessary" travel in the country.


Roughly nine out of 10 of the over 18,000 cases of the new virus confirmed across the Middle East come from Iran, where authorities denied for days the risk the outbreak posed. "


 





New world order coming.
westv
17 March 2020 14:32:54


I knew the chump would do it sooner or later, he was late with his ignorant and dangerous stupidity, but some Asian people could still get abused because of this.


 




Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Well it is a Chinese virus. If they weren't so blase as regards wild animals being kept in appalling conditions this might not have happened.


At least it will be mild!
xioni2
17 March 2020 14:38:04


 Well it is a Chinese virus. If they weren't so blase as regards wild animals being kept in appalling conditions this might not have happened.


Originally Posted by: westv 


That's completely irrelevant! Calling it a Chinese virus puts Asian people under risk of attack around the world. Many Spanish people had been attacked 100 years ago because of the name 'Spanish flu', even though we now think that virus had probably originated from a pig farm in the US and brought into Europe by American soldiers.


We also don't even know yet the true origin of this coronavirus, nothing has been proven yet.


 

Roger Parsons
17 March 2020 14:39:04


My wife works for the NHS (admin) and she's been told by A&E staff she knows that they just had their quietest weekend for as long as anyone can remember. An odd side-effect of this crisis.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


"Worried Wells" scared off by CO-19? It's an ill wind, Saint.


R.


RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Gavin D
17 March 2020 14:39:14

xioni2
17 March 2020 14:39:59

It's even worse Justin, over the last week or so EU27 health ministers and experts have been having daily meetings, where their Italian colleagues update them with all the latest data and forecasts. This is what has made several European countries to initiate immediate shutdowns.


We rely on our world class expertise and modelling of course.


 





Originally Posted by: Justin W 

xioni2
17 March 2020 14:41:49

I think the NHS will manage to more than double the number of ICU beds, perhaps even triple it if necessary.


The problem will be the concentration of admissions.


 





Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

Gavin D
17 March 2020 14:42:45
6,337 tests in the 24hrs to 9am total 50,442 with 48,492 negative

407 new cases total 1,950 positive
xioni2
17 March 2020 14:43:40

6,337 tests in the 24hrs to 9am total 50,442 with 48,492 negative

407 new cases total 1,950 positive

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Increasingly academic unfortunately, but we'll see.

Ulric
17 March 2020 14:49:21
It will be a defining moment when people realise the largest remaining transmission vector is Amazon/Ocado.
To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Quantum
17 March 2020 14:50:13

JFF model with today's data.


 


These are daily cases. Still extremely volitile but will become less so as we get more data.



2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 2 days with snow/sleet falling
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Gavin D
17 March 2020 14:56:14

6,337 tests in the 24hrs the positive rate is 6.42% 


It is our highest number of tests in a single 24hr period with the highest daily rise in confirmed case.


Percentage wise it's our 5th highest



  1. 9.16% - March 15th

  2. 6.92% - March 13th

  3. 6.87% - March 14th

  4. 6.83% - March 11th

  5. 6.42% - March 17th

Maunder Minimum
17 March 2020 14:56:37

It will be a defining moment when people realise the largest remaining transmission vector is Amazon/Ocado.

Originally Posted by: Ulric 


Discussed this with Brian yesterday - he is leaving packages unopened and untouched for 24 hours.


Is there a better idea?


The real problem comes with foodstuffs, like the milk we get delivered and the online shopping many people use - you cannot leave food unopened.


New world order coming.
westv
17 March 2020 14:57:35


 


Discussed this with Brian yesterday - he is leaving packages unopened and untouched for 24 hours.


Is there a better idea?


The real problem comes with foodstuffs, like the milk we get delivered and the online shopping many people use - you cannot leave food unopened.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


With the packages, surely all you need to do is wash your hands after opening.


At least it will be mild!
Arcus
17 March 2020 14:58:33


People who want to be informed and they don't easily get stressed should read the updated modelling advice and guidance from the team at Imperial. This is the team that is advising SAGE & HMG.


 


https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Re what is hinted at in that document where short term immunity is referenced. Lots of effort going into looking at that and the likelihood of re-acquisition (not through mutation), which obviously has a potential impact on vaccine suitability.


Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Quantum
17 March 2020 14:59:48


 


Discussed this with Brian yesterday - he is leaving packages unopened and untouched for 24 hours.


Is there a better idea?


The real problem comes with foodstuffs, like the milk we get delivered and the online shopping many people use - you cannot leave food unopened.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Leave them for 48 hours in the warmest part of the room (it can be 40C right next to the radiator)


Disinfect the outside with spray where possible


Cook all food


 


2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 2 days with snow/sleet falling
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Heavy Weather 2013
17 March 2020 14:59:51
You have to conclude that the lack of testing early on will come back to haunt HMG
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
John p
17 March 2020 15:00:43
NHS now formally advising not to use ibuprofen.

Wouldn't it be incredible if this was the smoking gun behind the high death rate in Italy?
Camberley, Surrey
Maunder Minimum
17 March 2020 15:01:27

You have to conclude that the lack of testing early on will come back to haunt HMG

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


The UK tested more and more widely than any other country in Europe (until Italy woke up to its problem of course, when they started testing like crazy).


What should come back to haunt HMG is lack of early travel restrictions and advice against taking holidays in affected regions.


New world order coming.
Quantum
17 March 2020 15:01:52

You have to conclude that the lack of testing early on will come back to haunt HMG

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Again we should remember that the UK is actually well ahead of the rest of Europe in this regard. It's also the reason we are behind other countries in terms of the epidemic trajectory.


Our testing continues to ramp up and is still easily the best in Europe with the possible exception of Italy.


 


Obviously it doesn't come close to SK.


 


I stopped praising the UK when we moved from 'containment' to 'delay'. Regardless of how the UK is performing during this phase, it's performance during containment was excellent. Perhaps the mistake was moving to delay too early.


 


2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 2 days with snow/sleet falling
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)

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