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Gandalf The White
18 March 2020 15:51:41


 


I'm not saying it's a bad policy at all. This was a response to beast's question about why you can't just do this all the time. Doing this in 'peacetime' (since we are effectively in wartime mode now) would be a disaster.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Thanks - I'm only dipping into this thread occasionally now for my own sanity.


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speckledjim
18 March 2020 15:52:23


 


Who are these 'sources'


They need to be imprisoned.


Utter t*ats.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


They’re probably reading twitter and reporting it like some on here do 

Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Roonie
18 March 2020 15:53:24


But if nothing is done we will see massive deflation as wealth is wiped out as businesses go bust.  Which is the lesser evil?  A slump and huge levels of unemployment or a bout of inflation.


My knowledge of economics is a little rusty but does filling a void caused by huge numbers of people suddenly not spending money have to lead to uncontrolled inflation?


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


As we know - simple supply and demand…… so in theory we end up with inflation...…  however....


All the debt and printed money become worth less and this coupled with interest rates at an historic low leads to only one thing.....


Real debt values and government borrowing levels actually falling in the longer term..


Every cloud and all that.


Still Lurking.......

North Worcestershire
xioni2
18 March 2020 15:54:19

There is apparently a convoy of army trucks heading down the A13 to London.


Brian I have a sense things are going to unravel very fast in the next 12hrs


 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Mark, I know you are worried, but don't pay much attention to unverified bullsh1t and don't assume the worst.

Quantum
18 March 2020 15:54:58


 


They’re probably reading twitter and reporting it like some on here do 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


But where are people getting this from in the first place?


I don't mind journalists speculating, but publishing speculation about a citywide quarantine is deeply irresponsible.


 


It is in all of our best interests that people do not escape from Quarantines.


The rest of the UK can be used to support London while it is less bad (and vice versa on the other side of the peak), the worst case scenario is it hits the entire UK at the same time.


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
xioni2
18 March 2020 15:55:29

Can we also keep the economic discussion to the other thread?


This thread is for informed speculation, reasonable panic and beautiful arguments.

Justin W
18 March 2020 15:55:35


 


Because you can't just do this. Yes you can 'create £350B out of nothing' but you will have to pay for it later. This is a short term solution that will take years , if not decades, to pay for.


And just hope that this doesn't go on for too long, otherwise we should expect hyperinflation.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


This is incorrect. You can do this - it is the same principle as quantative easing. When done in consort with other major economies and as long as it is scaled back before a recovery takes place, the inflationary effect should be minor given the depression we are now entering. The BoE will gradually withdraw the stimulus from the economy.

Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
John p
18 March 2020 15:55:51

The sports betting firms are getting desperate. Just had this email.



Hi Robert,

When life gives you lemons, make lemonade. That's the approach that we have adopted and the result is a range of special markets based on the PM's Daily Briefing. Watch it live on BBC One from 4:30pm.

How long will Boris address the nation for? We're currently priced at 36-38 minutes for today's 'Length of Briefing', with 'Sips of Water' available at 1.5-2.5.

The phrase of the moment from the Government has been 'Whatever it Takes', but how many times will it be used in today's briefing? We're currently offering this at 2.5-3.5, with mentions of the 'NHS' priced at 12-14.

We appreciate that the situation is a serious one, we're just trying to look for glimmers of light-heartedness during an otherwise dismal period. We hope you're all staying as safe as possible and look forward to the not-too-distant future when the sports that we love are back up and running.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Is that real?

Camberley, Surrey
Steve
18 March 2020 15:56:12


 


I'm sorry but facts are facts. On just about every possible metric the NHS is the worst healthcare system in the western world, 2nd only to the US.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Well we must have experienced one of the "metrics" you missed then



 

Bolty
18 March 2020 15:56:29
Going on a bit of a rant here:

This panic buying is really starting to F me right off now. You can't buy anything... not even a single carton of milk because these knobheads are stripping everything! I was speaking to one of the workers in Morrisons today and they said they put a new crate of toilet paper out and before they had even taken the plastic wrapping off the side of it, the idiots had stripped it bare. It's so ridiculous that people are now getting aggressive and pushing and shoving and ramming others out of the way to get their last crappy Morrisons pizza. Even the decent people who have avoided the frenzy in the first place are now having to leave with a trolley full, just so they actually have food to take home with them!

Seriously, how the hell did this country cope during the food rationing in World War II?
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Gavin D
18 March 2020 15:57:04

The Czech military sent a plane to China which landed back in the Czech Republic today with 150,000 rapid test kits for coronavirus.


More deliveries from China are expected in the coming days

Caz
  • Caz
  • Advanced Member
18 March 2020 15:58:08


 


He's probably wishing he hadn't taken the job.


Looking around I'm not sure there's any standout candidate who would do a better job.  On the other hand Churchill had his flaws but still stepped up and provided the leadership needed.


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

  That’s precisely what my sister and I were saying this morning.  Boris, for all his sins, has had more crap to deal with than any other PM in living memory!  He has at least stuck with it rather than bailing out at the sign of a crisis!  Who else could have done it better?  No, no answers necessary. 

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Maunder Minimum
18 March 2020 15:59:02

Beast will be happy:



Wetherspoons to remain open





All Wetherspoon pubs will remain open, but customers will pay by card, avoid standing at the bar and sit at alternate tables, the company announced.


Pubs will clean and sanitise contact points more frequently and dish and glasswashers will fully sanitise all cutlery, plates, cups and glassware, after every use.


Wetherspoon chairman Tim Martin said: “We are continuing to take account of official guidance from the UK Government and Public Health England.”





New world order coming.
Quantum
18 March 2020 16:00:40


 


This is incorrect. You can do this - it is the same principle as quantative easing. When done in consort with other major economies and as long as it is scaled back before a recovery takes place, the inflationary effect should be minor given the depression we are now entering. The BoE will gradually withdraw the stimulus from the economy.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


£350B is not scaled back.


At lower levels you can, of course, get away with doing it for longer.

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Rob K
18 March 2020 16:03:59



Is that real?


Originally Posted by: John p 


Yep. 

Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Quantum
18 March 2020 16:04:06


 


Well we must have experienced one of the "metrics" you missed then



 


Originally Posted by: Steve 


With all due respect, anecdotes are not evidence.


If the NHS wasn't a disaster Labour wouldn't spend all of it's time talking about it. They are naive for thinking that the problem is underfunding rather than something more fundemental, the Tories on the other hand seem content to pretend the problem doesn't exist. It does. Pick a random country in a well of part off Europe and it will have a better healthservice than we do.


The unfortunate issue is that we have a radically different system to the only healthcare system that is worse than ours, which basically means as long as we do better than the US everyone thinks we are doing well.


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Brian Gaze
18 March 2020 16:04:33


Beast will be happy:



Wetherspoons to remain open





All Wetherspoon pubs will remain open, but customers will pay by card, avoid standing at the bar and sit at alternate tables, the company announced.


Pubs will clean and sanitise contact points more frequently and dish and glasswashers will fully sanitise all cutlery, plates, cups and glassware, after every use.


Wetherspoon chairman Tim Martin said: “We are continuing to take account of official guidance from the UK Government and Public Health England.”






Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Exactly why the government must act now. If internment is coming perhaps the idiot Martin can be the first to sample it.

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xioni2
18 March 2020 16:05:56


 Exactly why the government must act now. If internment is coming perhaps the idiot Martin can be the first to sample it.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I'd treat him  to a round of corona.

Quantum
18 March 2020 16:09:37

Apparantely a 2nd wave has begun in Wuhan.


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
xioni2
18 March 2020 16:09:49

The French laboratory Sanofi said it was ready, Tuesday, March 17, to offer the French authorities millions of doses of the antimalarial Plaquenil, which could potentially treat 300,000 patients, after trials deemed "promising" in patients with Covid- 19.


https://www.lemonde.fr/sante/article/2020/03/18/coronavirus-sanofi-offre-un-antipaludique-pour-traiter-300-000-malades-apres-des-essais-juges-prometteurs_6033466_1651302.html

warrenb
18 March 2020 16:10:18


Apparantely a 2nd wave has begun in Wuhan.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


Would not surprise me, and shows the lockdown works until you unlock.

Tonbridge 45m 
Gandalf The White
18 March 2020 16:10:20

Going on a bit of a rant here:

This panic buying is really starting to F me right off now. You can't buy anything... not even a single carton of milk because these knobheads are stripping everything! I was speaking to one of the workers in Morrisons today and they said they put a new crate of toilet paper out and before they had even taken the plastic wrapping off the side of it, the idiots had stripped it bare. It's so ridiculous that people are now getting aggressive and pushing and shoving and ramming others out of the way to get their last crappy Morrisons pizza. Even the decent people who have avoided the frenzy in the first place are now having to leave with a trolley full, just so they actually have food to take home with them!

Seriously, how the hell did this country cope during the food rationing in World War II?

Originally Posted by: Bolty 


 


Visited our local Waitrose today and had a chat with the manager and a couple of members of staff.  They're drafted in some from the nearby John Lewis, which has seen business fall away, to take some pressure off the staff.   As he said, it's been like Christmas but you can plan for that and you know when it will end.


Absolutely no eggs, no toilet paper, a lot of cleaning products sold out, almost no chicken.


The delicatessen counter was bare - they're only selling pre-packed cheese and so on.


Still lots of fresh milk but no long-life; just some of the odd variants made from oats, peas and such like - and not much of that either.


 


 

Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


xioni2
18 March 2020 16:10:50


 Would not surprise me, and shows the lockdown works until you unlock.


Originally Posted by: warrenb 


Wuhan is still locked down.

westv
18 March 2020 16:11:54


 


I'm sorry but facts are facts. On just about every possible metric the NHS is the worst healthcare system in the western world, 2nd only to the US.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


About mid table in Europe according to this.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Europe

At least it will be mild!
Saint Snow
18 March 2020 16:12:13


 


I'd treat him  to a round of corona.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


I'd put him to good use - shove a pole up his arse, stick him in a field, and keep the crows off the crops


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