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Gavin D
23 March 2020 15:16:41
5,707 new cases in New York state in the past 24hrs

20,875 cases in the state now meaning they have more than France
Jonesy
23 March 2020 15:17:37


 


Toiletries are pretty essential.


Originally Posted by: westv 


Supermarkets sell that though don't they? plus the online services.


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Gavin D
23 March 2020 15:21:17

Gavin D
23 March 2020 15:23:57
New York State report 58 new deaths

Death toll now at 157 in NY state
Gavin D
23 March 2020 15:31:08
Denmark have extended the nationwide lockdown until April 13th
Gavin D
23 March 2020 15:37:58

Reports of 320 new deaths in Lombardy down from 361 yesterday

JHutch
23 March 2020 15:38:24

Have seen it mentioned a lot of times how Italy has an old population compared to other countries but not seen any figures put on this. Italy apparently has 22% over 65 while the UK has 18%. Area (I think this might be judged by constituencies) with the highest proportion of over 65s in the UK is apparently North Norfolk with 32%. From looking at a commons website I think the area I live in south London has 8.5% , doesn't seem to be an easy way to access the percent for all areas at once from what I can see.

xioni2
23 March 2020 15:40:40


Have seen it mentioned a lot of times how Italy has an old population compared to other countries but not seen any figures put on this. Italy apparently has 22% over 65 while the UK has 18%. Area (I think this might be judged by constituencies) with the highest proportion of over 65s in the UK is apparently North Norfolk with 32%. Battersea where I live has 8.5%.


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


Yes, this is another different factor for London vs Milano, London has a much younger population and that should make a difference.

Gavin D
23 March 2020 15:42:00

New deaths in Lombardy are trending in the right direction at last. Long may this continue


 


Saturday - 546 - Currently daily high
Sunday - 362
Monday - 320

xioni2
23 March 2020 15:48:38


New deaths in Lombardy are trending in the right direction at last. Long may this continue


 


Saturday - 546 - Currently daily high
Sunday - 362
Monday - 320


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Indeed, let's hope this becomes a trend. 

Lionel Hutz
23 March 2020 15:50:45


 


Apparently the time is 4-5 days which means you assumption is quite correct. This means we cannot compare positives on a day to the number of tests. Its a right old mess.


I really don't trust our figures at all. The only figure you can trust sadly is the number of fatalitys.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I don't think that it's just your figures - all virus figures are suspect. For example, they are very much dependent on how many tests each country is doing. I think that some trends can be gleaned about individual countries. The Italian figures are very encouraging, though, unless there's been a reduction in tests there, which is unlikely.


I don't think that you can trust death figures either(at least not when comparing countries) - different countries may attribute deaths to diseases brought on by the virus as opposed to being directly caused by the virus.  


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JHutch
23 March 2020 15:56:53

Er, he didn't realise how important various people are just because they didnt get a large wage?



Gandalf The White
23 March 2020 16:01:06


 


I don't think that it's just your figures - all virus figures are suspect. For example, they are very much dependent on how many tests each country is doing.


I don't think that you can trust death figures either(at least not when comparing countries) - different countries may attribute deaths to diseases brought on by the virus as opposed to being directly caused by the virus.  


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


I think it's mostly a case of us not fully understanding the data and not appreciating the complexities.  Even within one country there will be unanswered (unanswerable) questions; when you're comparing one country with another it's even more suspect.


Tests: how many, on whom, where.


Fatalities: where the patient had pre-existing conditions is Covid-19 listed as the cause of death or is it the underlying condition.  


Even when a death is attributed to Covid-19 it's not possible to say categorically that it was the sole reason. The spectrum of symptoms from nothing to severe says to met that the way the virus and the body interact is not straightforward.


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Rob K
23 March 2020 16:02:04
The idea of defining low-skilled people by salary is pretty ridiculous. I have taken a near 50% pay cut in changing jobs, and yet my new salary still puts me above many workers that I consider absolutely essential.

(My new job starts tomorrow - I have just been rearranging furniture so I have some office space in my bedroom. I have commandeered my 8-year-old daughter’s desk and moved it into my room. She can work at the dining room table! At least work are supplying a laptop so I don’t have to steal the family computer.)
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Gandalf The White
23 March 2020 16:03:52


Have seen it mentioned a lot of times how Italy has an old population compared to other countries but not seen any figures put on this. Italy apparently has 22% over 65 while the UK has 18%. Area (I think this might be judged by constituencies) with the highest proportion of over 65s in the UK is apparently North Norfolk with 32%. From looking at a commons website I think the area I live in south London has 8.5% , doesn't seem to be an easy way to access the percent for all areas at once from what I can see.


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


Yes, and there is also the point that Italian families are more close knit and there is/was greater interaction across generations, hence more transmission within families to older relatives.


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Gandalf The White
23 March 2020 16:07:52

The idea of defining low-skilled people by salary is pretty ridiculous. I have taken a near 50% pay cut in changing jobs, and yet my new salary still puts me above many workers that I consider absolutely essential.

(My new job starts tomorrow - I have just been rearranging furniture so I have some office space in my bedroom. I have commandeered my 8-year-old daughter’s desk and moved it into my room. She can work at the dining room table! At least work are supplying a laptop so I don’t have to steal the family computer.)

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Yes, I've never understood the suggested correlation between pay levels and job importance.  


 


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westv
23 March 2020 16:11:14
The pay for a job is based on demand for the role not how important it is.
At least it will be mild!
Gavin D
23 March 2020 16:12:19
Breaking: NHS England have announced 46 new deaths - 9 more than Sunday
Caz
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23 March 2020 16:13:45


 


Yes, and there is also the point that Italian families are more close knit and there is/was greater interaction across generations, hence more transmission within families to older relatives.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

In addition, the older generation of Italians are cared for at home by their families, rather than in care homes.  That is the same for Greece, so I’d expect their morbidity rates to be on a par with those in Italy. 


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roadrunnerajn
23 March 2020 16:14:58

46 new deaths reported in England this afternoon.


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Brian Gaze
23 March 2020 16:15:12

Breaking: NHS England have announced 46 new deaths - 9 more than Sunday

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


I thought yesterday was 48?


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westv
23 March 2020 16:16:45


 


I thought yesterday was 48?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


The total is 303 if that's any help.


At least it will be mild!
Gooner
23 March 2020 16:18:04


 


The total is 303 if that's any help.


Originally Posted by: westv 


I take it that's just England 


Yesterdays total was 281 


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Brian Gaze
23 March 2020 16:18:10


 


The total is 303 if that's any help.


Originally Posted by: westv 


I wish they would report the UK figure as the headline. Would be much easier to track. 


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Gooner
23 March 2020 16:19:15


 


I thought yesterday was 48?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Wasn't that a UK total though ?


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