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Bertwhistle
28 March 2020 13:03:11

Anyone seen this?


https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200327-can-you-kill-coronavirus-with-uv-light


UV3 doesn't normally penetrate to the surface, due to O3 filtering, but I wonder if ozone is reducing near the surface due to lockdowns?


I realise strat ozone & surface pollutants are not necessarily doing the same job, but wondered.


More excitingly- why can't we do this in our hospitals, supermarkets, tubes etc?

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Bugglesgate
28 March 2020 13:13:49


 


It's the prescription counter. Patients are forbidden to visit our GP practice in person so the pharmacy there is also closed. All prescriptions are now being filled in tesco.


 


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


 


Oh, that  a very poor idea ! By definition you are forcing people that are ill in some way into a public space.


My folks are still getting their prescriptions from the GP surgery.  There is a network of  helpers for over 70s deliveries but there is still the facility to collect in person from the surgery - they have erected all kinds of perspex screens and worked out a system of queuing that makes  it a safe as possible.


In my village they have also stopped dispensing from the surgery, and dumped it onto the local chemist  (also in the village).  He will deliver as well but he's not impressed  that they have behaved in such a "slippery shouldered" way !"


 


 


 

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Bugglesgate
28 March 2020 13:24:07


 


My folks are really struggling to get any food, let alone fresh, in Kent. No slots at all. They are >70 with underlying health conditions.


Meanwhile in Durham, there are numerous independent shops where you can order stuff. I had a search yesterday, found a local greengrocer, and have 40 quids' worth of fresh fruit and veg coming this afternoon!


Cheese and yoghurt are the things that are problematic. My yoghurt has run out. Cheese - got about 2 weeks' worth left. Could order fancy stuff but very expensive. Supermarket seems only place to get basic cheddar for the kids. Main issue with the yoghurt is that without it, it's hard to find something to eat my chia seeds with... the lot of the middle classes.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


 


I have got an Ocado delivery this evening, which is mainly for my Folks (>80  with underling health issues)  - I'll take it round to them tomorrow.  I can't forward book another slot though, so we are going to have a problem.   My sister and I will have to supermarket shop I think - something I'm not keen   on becuase of the risk of infection  that could be transferred back to them -  but needs must .    They will have to be  rigorous   in disinfecting everything that comes in.  Rightly or wrongly I consider Ocado to be less of a risk becuase so much of their warehousing is automated - supermarket  stuff is likley to be  double handled by shelf stackers and then the pickers,


Sainsburys have dedicated their delivery service to delivering to heavily at risk groups - you need to prove   you are eligible through the Govt sceme.  My parents are and I set off Dad doing  it all - but so far they haven't contacted him.  You could see if your folks have any luck with it :-


https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/gb/groceries/working-to-feed-the-nation-/latest-information--?storeId=10151&langId=44&krypto=lm7mWF6Tx7EAntDWUsWd7G%2FLwOZWQHgkwTzr9HJNgiv6srtWXn1l8vSIsoqRwXpRqK6eEjUBjMOTHrhCcmFIipl90LaAoc73zZ%2FEbcKS5EGvnw0vPVNW%2BjpXArE440f%2FPQ8giUWfPQaPRalLK05z8AUz%2BvxYHjzNFDq4EtzcHzTfQ4ga22A610%2BdYC8d3%2Bzf&ddkey=https%3Agb%2Fgroceries%2Fworking-to-feed-the-nation-%2Flatest-information--


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

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Phil G
28 March 2020 13:26:35


I'm also just back from my daily exercise. On it I pondered whether the very high number of deaths in Italy and Spain could be indirectly climate related. Is there a possibility that people in southern Europe catch fewer colds than those of us in the cold and wet north? If that is the case (no idea if it is) perhaps they consequently have a lower level of immunity to corona viruses in general? Does anyone know if this has been discussed?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Not seen this Brian, but it may be out there. I wondered if it was to do with how positive patients ending up in hospital are herded together, especially with no room there. We hear of the doctors on the frontline dying taking multiple doses of infection. I wonder if these hospital patients are also giving themselves multiple hits. It seems likely if you go into one of these hospitals, you don't come out.


Did see someone put short infection exposure = mild infection. Multiple hits = hospitalisation/death.

Brian Gaze
28 March 2020 13:27:45


I have got an Ocado delivery this evening, which is mainly for my Folks (>80  with underling health issues)  


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


We've got one for this evening too. Mrs G is getting worried because she hasn't received a confirmation yet today. 


Edit: apparently confirmation em has just arrived

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NickR
28 March 2020 13:33:17


 


 


I have got an Ocado delivery this evening, which is mainly for my Folks (>80  with underling health issues)  - I'll take it round to them tomorrow.  I can't forward book another slot though, so we are going to have a problem.   My sister and I will have to supermarket shop I think - something I'm not keen   on becuase of the risk of infection  that could be transferred back to them -  but needs must .    They will have to be  rigorous   in disinfecting everything that comes in.  Rightly or wrongly I consider Ocado to be less of a risk becuase so much of their warehousing is automated - supermarket  stuff is likley to be  double handled by shelf stackers and then the pickers,


Sainsburys have dedicated their delivery service to delivering to heavily at risk groups - you need to prove   you are eligible through the Govt sceme.  My parents are and I set off Dad doing  it all - but so far they haven't contacted him.  You could see if your folks have any luck with it :-


 


 

Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


Thanks - and thanks, Darren! I'm looking into what options there are.


Already sending boxes of food to mother-in-law in Venezuela - might have to do it for my folks in Kent! (Though Kent should cost less than Venezuela - the box we currently have en route cost 273 euros delivery/postage!)


 

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Maunder Minimum
28 March 2020 13:53:14
Here is an interesting possible side effect of corona virus which should be of relevance to us - it is being said that it is affecting the performance of weather models since far fewer measurements are available than would normally be the case.
I was wondering whether Brian had heard anything about this.
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28 March 2020 13:54:56

There were a number of police on duty outside our nearest big Tesco this morning.


According to the checkout operator they were there because Tesco staff were having trouble dissuading "large family groups" from entering the store


The shelves were reasonably well stocked apart from the usual suspects: pasta, tinned stuff, bog roll.

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28 March 2020 13:56:22

Here is an interesting possible side effect of corona virus which should be of relevance to us - it is being said that it is affecting the performance of weather models since far fewer measurements are available than would normally be the case.
I was wondering whether Brian had heard anything about this.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

I think that was the point made in the weather forum  - Christmas every day. 


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twocommunity/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1190505#post1190505

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Retron
28 March 2020 14:01:07


I have got an Ocado delivery this evening, which is mainly for my Folks (>80  with underling health issues)  - I'll take it round to them tomorrow.  I can't forward book another slot though, so we are going to have a problem.   My sister and I will have to supermarket shop I think - something I'm not keen   on becuase of the risk of infection  that could be transferred back to them -  but needs must .    They will have to be  rigorous   in disinfecting everything that comes in.  Rightly or wrongly I consider Ocado to be less of a risk becuase so much of their warehousing is automated - supermarket  stuff is likley to be  double handled by shelf stackers and then the pickers,


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


There is another option, aside from corner stores: petrol stations, the sort that have large shops attached. There's one the other end of Sheppey to me and they're open 24/7. My plan, when I need more supplies, is to go there stupidly early in the morning (say 4:30 AM). There shouldn't be many people around and, in theory at least, they'll have everything from fruit and veg to soft drinks to cleaning products. It's worth paying the extra to avoid having to stand in queues for 20 minutes at Tesco, with people coughing all around and others not obeying the 2m distancing (squeezing past the queue, oblivious to the dirty looks they're getting!)


 


 

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JHutch
28 March 2020 14:03:44

Here is an interesting possible side effect of corona virus which should be of relevance to us - it is being said that it is affecting the performance of weather models since far fewer measurements are available than would normally be the case.
I was wondering whether Brian had heard anything about this.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Yes, there is less input data


https://www.ecmwf.int/en/about/media-centre/news/2020/drop-aircraft-observations-could-have-impact-weather-forecasts

JHutch
28 March 2020 14:06:36

260 extra deaths today, 1019 in total

Gavin D
28 March 2020 14:06:47
Breaking: 260 new deaths in the UK +79 on yesterday
Heavy Weather 2013
28 March 2020 14:09:06
Updated figures:

Deaths: 260
New Cases: 2500
Tests: 7k

Horrific.
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Brian Gaze
28 March 2020 14:10:09


260 extra deaths today, 1019 in total


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


I think that will put us close to Italy and ahead of France on the tracker:


https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest


There seems to have been a more pronounced increase in the last few days. I wonder whether Imperial's figures will adjust again.


Again IMO we should be tightening the lockdown. Even if it turns out the last few days are anomalous or the peak is being reached sooner, the risk should not be taken.  

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Retron
28 March 2020 14:10:39

Breaking: 260 new deaths in the UK +79 on yesterday

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


30% increase Thursday to Friday, 44% increase Friday to Saturday.


The exponential growth continues. We've still a week or more of this, albeit I'd be surprised if increases of 40% or more happen each day.

Leysdown, north Kent
Bugglesgate
28 March 2020 14:11:11


 


There is another option, aside from corner stores: petrol stations, the sort that have large shops attached. There's one the other end of Sheppey to me and they're open 24/7. My plan, when I need more supplies, is to go there stupidly early in the morning (say 4:30 AM). There shouldn't be many people around and, in theory at least, they'll have everything from fruit and veg to soft drinks to cleaning products. It's worth paying the extra to avoid having to stand in queues for 20 minutes at Tesco, with people coughing all around and others not obeying the 2m distancing (squeezing past the queue, oblivious to the dirty looks they're getting!)


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Yes, we have a   Budgens in the village like that - It's a short trudge across  afield from me - worth a go at 5AM  - of course the  Muppet's  will  have buggered about with the clocks  again (*) so I'll have   to take a touch !


(*) Maybe they should hold off doing that this year - last thing we want is more evening daylight  to entire people to "mingle" !

Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
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Ulric
28 March 2020 14:11:13


There were a number of police on duty outside our nearest big Tesco this morning.


According to the checkout operator they were there because Tesco staff were having trouble dissuading "large family groups" from entering the store


The shelves were reasonably well stocked apart from the usual suspects: pasta, tinned stuff, bog roll.


Originally Posted by: RobN 


Local FB group reporting an incident at our local Tesco. 3 police cars, two ambulance support vehicles, 1 road ambulance and the air ambulance in attendance.


God only knows what's gone on there.

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SJV
28 March 2020 14:12:43


 


I think that will put us close to Italy and ahead of France on the tracker:


https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest


There seems to have been a more pronounced increase in the last few days. I wonder whether Imperial's figures will adjust again.


Again IMO we should be tightening the lockdown. Even if it turns out the last few days are anomalous or the peak is being reached must sooner, the risk should not be taken.  


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

 


Thinking the same. That's a large increase, sadly.


As Darren says, the exponential growth continues.

Hungry Tiger
28 March 2020 14:13:32

Updated figures:

Deaths: 260
New Cases: 2500
Tests: 7k

Horrific.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


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John p
28 March 2020 14:14:21

Updated figures:

Deaths: 260
New Cases: 2500
Tests: 7k

Horrific.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Jeez, so much for the predicted peak of 250.  As I feared, some of these predictions will prove way off and frankly shouldn’t be published.

Camberley, Surrey
Gavin D
28 March 2020 14:18:13

Suggestions now we could see the peak next weekend with our death toll staying below 6,000


 


"Experts have offered hope that Britain's coronavirus outbreak could peak as early as next Sunday, with the nationwide lockdown over by summer.


Researchers at Imperial College London believe the country's death toll could end in figures as low as 5,700 - but only if Brits strictly obey lockdown rules.


Frontline NHS heroes are finally being tested for the virus today, after weeks of pleading for more tests as doctors and nurses are sickened with symptoms"


 


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-uk-death-toll-hits-21770830

Bertwhistle
28 March 2020 14:20:18


Local facebookers report a pharmacy queue of over an hour in Tesco this morning!


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


I queued for over half an hour for my wife's critical medication, only to be told at the end that they couldn't supply this drug any more; they gave me the prescription and told me to try somewhere else.

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Bertwhistle
28 March 2020 14:21:19


 


Jeez, so much for the predicted peak of 250.  As I feared, some of these predictions will prove way off and frankly shouldn’t be published.


Originally Posted by: John p 


Think it was an over- 250 prediction.

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Heavy Weather 2013
28 March 2020 14:22:18


Suggestions now we could see the peak next weekend with our death toll staying below 6,000


 


"Experts have offered hope that Britain's coronavirus outbreak could peak as early as next Sunday, with the nationwide lockdown over by summer.


Researchers at Imperial College London believe the country's death toll could end in figures as low as 5,700 - but only if Brits strictly obey lockdown rules.


Frontline NHS heroes are finally being tested for the virus today, after weeks of pleading for more tests as doctors and nurses are sickened with symptoms"


 


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-uk-death-toll-hits-21770830


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


I cannot for the life of me understand how we are going to see the peak of this in 7 days. When new cases are surging and the lag in death rate.

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