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Caz
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28 March 2020 21:13:05


 


I think that Chunky's 100% right particularly as regards mental health. I am getting between 15 and 20 calls a day from my 84 year old mother. I fear how she will be when this ends because she was slipping before ever the virus struck.


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 

  It’s a really difficult one!   In many ways I’m glad my mum isn’t with us now.  I can’t imagine how much I’d have worried!  The highlight of her day was always when me and my sister called for a cuppa on our way from work!  She’d have the cups ready and the kettle filled!  The winter of 2010 was bad enough, when we couldn’t get her out of the house because of the snow, but we could at least visit her then to relieve her loneliness!  


My heart really does go out to those with isolating parents and grandparents!  I don’t even want to imagine your anguish!


PS - If it’s any consolation, I’m two decades younger than your mum. Yet our kids are constantly ringing to make sure me and their dad are OK.  We are!  Except we worry about the amount of worrying you’re doing!

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Lionel Hutz
28 March 2020 21:26:40


  It’s a really difficult one!   In many ways I’m glad my mum isn’t with us now.  I can’t imagine how much I’d have worried!  The highlight of her day was always when me and my sister called for a cuppa on our way from work!  She’d have the cups ready and the kettle filled!  The winter of 2010 was bad enough, when we couldn’t get her out of the house because of the snow, but we could at least visit her then to relieve her loneliness!  


My heart really does go out to those with isolating parents and grandparents!  I don’t even want to imagine your anguish!


PS - If it’s any consolation, I’m two decades younger than your mum. Yet our kids are constantly ringing to make sure me and their dad are OK.  We are!  Except we worry about the amount of worrying you’re doing!


Originally Posted by: Caz 


😀


I'm probably in a better position than most. I live a stone's throw from my mother's house so there's no issue with me keeping an eye on her. I can't call in to her but I see her at the door a couple of times a day. But, yes, it's very hard for those who are a distance away from parents and lived ones.


Quality of life is a huge issue, though, and I just hope that my mother can bounce back( in so far as that is possible at 84 years of age!) once this virus goes away. 

Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
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Bertwhistle
28 March 2020 21:45:03


 


Part of what makes life worth living for the elderly is getting out and about and talking with people. Now that this basic freedom has been taken from them, I would not underestimate the damaging psychological effects this will have on many of them. Stuck indoors with nothing but a hysterical media for company, talking of death and catastrophe, because it is profitable to do so.  


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


Absolutely true CP. My dad now lives alone and is content with peace & quiet, as am I, but my M and D in law are in a different situation. Dad is in a wheelchair for most of the day, Mum is in advanced stages of dementia, so effectively there is one fully functioning body and one fully functioning mind between them. All they want out of life is a bit of time with their daughter (my wife) and grandchildren. These last are asymptomatic vectors potentially and it is so hard. 


My very best to all of you in a cruddy situation right now. 

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Chunky Pea
28 March 2020 21:46:52





My sister’s 87 YO Mum-in-law seems to be worrying herself sick. We speak to her on the phone about anything we can think of to take her mind off this virus.  But she always brings it back at every opportunity.  She’s intelligent and of sound mind, which I suppose makes isolation very difficult for her.  All she has to do all day is to watch or listen to the news.  That can’t be good for anyone! 


She has no more family, only my sister, her husband and their son and they’re all being kept from her.  My sister is convinced this will kill her, not the virus but the loneliness and stress.  What do you do in this situation?  It’s really difficult, especially when you know that at that age, they don’t have much time left!  Do you see them and hug them while you can, or do you avoid the risk of sending them to their death?


Either way, it seems you’re killing them with kindness!  I think it’s about quality of life, if only you could live with your conscience!


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Great post and I agree with everything you say here Caz, and your questions are hard to answer as you say. 


 


 


 


 

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JHutch
28 March 2020 22:01:56

Quite a lot of the Sunday papers leading with a story that Boris Johnson is going to send us all a letter telling us that things are going to get worse.

xioni2
28 March 2020 22:02:00

Pollution starts picking up again in China


Bertwhistle
28 March 2020 22:05:58


Quite a lot of the Sunday papers leading with a story that Boris Johnson is going to send us all a letter telling us that things are going to get worse.


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


We know this. We also know why they are saying this.


Why are you saying it? 

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JHutch
28 March 2020 22:09:39


 


We know this. We also know why they are saying this.


Why are you saying it? 


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


Why not?

Bolty
28 March 2020 22:09:59

As I said before, I predict social unrest after the virus has run it's course. Is this now what we're seeing in Italy?





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RobN
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28 March 2020 22:22:00

Also starting to get a bit ugly across the Pond...


21:21


Rhode Island hunts down New Yorkers






Rhode Island, the smallest state in the US, has called on the National Guard to stop all cars with New York license plates to ask about where they plan to self-isolate for 14 days, as required under the state's emergency orders.


Troops are also going door-to-door in seaside vacation communities in search of New Yorkers.


"Right now, we have a pinpointed risk that we need to address, and we need to be very serious and that risk is called New York City," said Governor Gina Raimondo at a news conference on Friday.


New York state has the most cases in the US right now - with more than 50,000 cases.


The Rhode Island National Guard retweeted video of one such roadblock.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/52075063



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Phil G
28 March 2020 22:23:14


As I said before, I predict social unrest after the virus has run it's course. Is this now what we're seeing in Italy?






Originally Posted by: Bolty 


I did think about this until the govt said they are prepared to meet most bills and make payments. With the food queueing slowly being sorted out, I feel the unrest likelihood has diminshed somewhat as there should be less crime as people tried to survive.

Brian Gaze
28 March 2020 22:38:48
Coronavirus: Why does COVID-19 pose a greater threat to men than women?

Experts are calling for more countries to collate sex-disaggregated data on coronavirus cases to help future treatments.


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However, with daily updates on infection rates and death tolls, it appears COVID-19 does pose a noticeably bigger threat to men than it does to women.


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Many victims of COVID-19 have been suffering from underlying health conditions such as heart disease, stroke, lung disease and hypertension.


These conditions affect more men than women according to a study


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High alcohol consumption has also been linked to an increase in coronavirus fatalities


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Previous research has revealed that men have lower innate antiviral immune responses to a range of infections including hepatitis C and HIV. Studies in animals have also suggested this may also be true for other forms of coronavirus.


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-why-does-covid-19-pose-a-greater-threat-to-men-than-women-11964453

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Gandalf The White
28 March 2020 22:39:31


Pollution starts picking up again in China



Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Interesting but I read an article that said China is heading for a second hit when demand from the rest of the world plummets as every country suffers an economic downturn during the fight against Covid-19.


 

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Bugglesgate
28 March 2020 22:49:42


Coronavirus: Why does COVID-19 pose a greater threat to men than women?

Experts are calling for more countries to collate sex-disaggregated data on coronavirus cases to help future treatments.


..


However, with daily updates on infection rates and death tolls, it appears COVID-19 does pose a noticeably bigger threat to men than it does to women.


...


Many victims of COVID-19 have been suffering from underlying health conditions such as heart disease, stroke, lung disease and hypertension.


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


To be honest , I think underlying conditions are the nub of it all.


The other stuff (age and gender) are merely tracking that.


I shudder when I think of the condition of some of the blokes at our place.  Even some people in their 40s are massively overweight and look as though than gave up any kind of physical activity as soon as they weren't forced to do it at school decades ago.


I doubt we will end this without loosing a few

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xioni2
28 March 2020 23:02:00


Interesting but I read an article that said China is heading for a second hit when demand from the rest of the world plummets as every country suffers an economic downturn during the fight against Covid-19.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Yes, of course. I bet China will be hoping that the crisis won't last too long in the West as their economy will suffer a lot too. 

Gavin D
28 March 2020 23:09:56
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westv
28 March 2020 23:27:37


Quite a lot of the Sunday papers leading with a story that Boris Johnson is going to send us all a letter telling us that things are going to get worse.


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


The letter reads very similar to what he said on tele.

At least it will be mild!
fairweather
28 March 2020 23:43:09

My 90 year old neighbour died in hospital this evening. Not Corona related. He died alone in a side ward. He had no relatives aside from his wife's niece, and was married for 60 years. His wife had severe vascular dementia and went to a care home a month ago. I visited him regularly up until last week but had to stop as I am 70. I hate to say this at this time (and I went outside and applauded our NHS the other night) but his treatment in hospital was appalling. He wasn't fed properly, left alone for long periods, fell out of bed twice and generally ignored and shown no compassion. A nurse phoned his niece and crudely just said "he's dead" and when are you coming in. She said she had been stopped from visiting and the nurse was very rude to her and asked if she had Corona virus. When asked about the procedure currently she said she didn't know - ring bereavement. They are not all angels I am afraid to say.

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The Beast from the East
29 March 2020 00:15:36


My 90 year old neighbour died in hospital this evening. Not Corona related. He died alone in a side ward. He had no relatives aside from his wife's niece, and was married for 60 years. His wife had severe vascular dementia and went to a care home a month ago. I visited him regularly up until last week but had to stop as I am 70. I hate to say this at this time (and I went outside and applauded our NHS the other night) but his treatment in hospital was appalling. He wasn't fed properly, left alone for long periods, fell out of bed twice and generally ignored and shown no compassion. A nurse phoned his niece and crudely just said "he's dead" and when are you coming in. She said she had been stopped from visiting and the nurse was very rude to her and asked if she had Corona virus. When asked about the procedure currently she said she didn't know - ring bereavement. They are not all angels I am afraid to say.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Terrible


After such a long life, awful way to spend your last days


These sort of stories are common however, and make me more determined to end it when I can no longer look after myself


 

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The Beast from the East
29 March 2020 00:20:00


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Perthite1
29 March 2020 00:57:41


My 90 year old neighbour died in hospital this evening. Not Corona related. He died alone in a side ward. He had no relatives aside from his wife's niece, and was married for 60 years. His wife had severe vascular dementia and went to a care home a month ago. I visited him regularly up until last week but had to stop as I am 70. I hate to say this at this time (and I went outside and applauded our NHS the other night) but his treatment in hospital was appalling. He wasn't fed properly, left alone for long periods, fell out of bed twice and generally ignored and shown no compassion. A nurse phoned his niece and crudely just said "he's dead" and when are you coming in. She said she had been stopped from visiting and the nurse was very rude to her and asked if she had Corona virus. When asked about the procedure currently she said she didn't know - ring bereavement. They are not all angels I am afraid to say.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Some very sad stories coming through on this forum over the past few days. Reflective of the most difficult period as a whole we are having to go through since WW2. As a politician said over here in Australia yesterday every decision he is having to make he wishes he did not have too. In this time no decision is not fraught with risk and there are no good options on the table. 

Roger Parsons
29 March 2020 05:58:57



My sister’s 87 YO Mum-in-law seems to be worrying herself sick. We speak to her on the phone about anything we can think of to take her mind off this virus.  But she always brings it back at every opportunity.  She’s intelligent and of sound mind, which I suppose makes isolation very difficult for her.  All she has to do all day is to watch or listen to the news.  That can’t be good for anyone! 


She has no more family, only my sister, her husband and their son and they’re all being kept from her.  My sister is convinced this will kill her, not the virus but the loneliness and stress.  What do you do in this situation?  It’s really difficult, especially when you know that at that age, they don’t have much time left!  Do you see them and hug them while you can, or do you avoid the risk of sending them to their death?


Either way, it seems you’re killing them with kindness!  I think it’s about quality of life, if only you could live with your conscience!


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Hi Caz - I feel for you and the others expressing anxiety, frustration and grief here - when they really want to be showing love and compassion. I recall the simple sentence in the telegrams informing my father, working overseas, of the death of his parents in the 50s.


 


Mervyn Peake put it this way.


 



OUT OF THE CHAOS OF MY DOUBT


Out of the chaos of my doubt
And the chaos of my art
I turn to you inevitably
As the needle to the pole
Turns . . . as the cold brain to the soul
Turns in its uncertainty;

So I turn and long for you;
So I long for you, and turn
To the love that through my chaos
Burns a truth,
And lights my path.


 


R.


RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830

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