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Phil G
01 April 2020 17:22:11


 


Yesterday they were talking about green shoots.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Think we discussed the guy who said this really wished he hadn't, and was just trying to show a bit of positivity. Others around him were quick to say we should not become complacent and said this will go on for some time yet.

Gavin D
01 April 2020 17:34:22

Daily breakdown of the data from PHE


UK data 


Daily confirmed Cases - 4,324 (+1,315)


Patients Recovered - 135 (no change) - Current daily high for recovered patients 42 (22/03) - Data will be updated in due course a new system is in development.


Total UK deaths - 2,352 (+563)


English data


Top 10 Local Authorities with the highest confirmed cases



  1. Birmingham: 734

  2. Hampshire: 652

  3. Surrey: 571

  4. Sheffield: 541

  5. Brent: 506

  6. Hertfordshire: 480

  7. Southwark: 474

  8. Barnet: 468

  9. Lambeth: 462

  10. Kent: 455


Local Authorities with the fewest confirmed cases



  • Rutland: 4

  • Kingston upon Hull, City of: 14

  • Isle of Wight: 14

  • Hartlepool: 15

  • North Lincolnshire: 23

  • North East Lincolnshire: 23

  • Darlington: 24

  • Blackburn with Darwen: 25

  • Blackpool: 27

  • Swindon: 31


​​​​​​​Regional data



  • London - 8,341 (+1,220)

  • Midlands - 4,139 (+569)

  • South East - 3,108 (+683)

  • North East and Yorkshire - 2,829 (+481)

  • North West - 2,413 (+281)

  • East of England - 1,841 (+209)

  • South West - 1,085 (+119)


All changes with yesterday. Data based up to 9am today for new cases and up to 5pm yesterday for new confirmed coronavirus deaths. Not all deaths occurred in the 24hr period.

Gandalf The White
01 April 2020 17:34:57


Just read this on the BBC:




On hospital admissions, she [Doyle] says they have now been increasing for the last three days.


Didn't the medical expert only yesterday (or possibly the day before) say that admissions had stabilised?





 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I am fairly certain that what he said was that the rate of increase had stabilised, ie was not climbing.


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Brian Gaze
01 April 2020 17:40:01


 


I am fairly certain that what he said was that the rate of increase had stabilised, ie was not climbing.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



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Gandalf The White
01 April 2020 17:45:44


Daily breakdown of the data from PHE


UK data 


Daily confirmed Cases - 4,324 (+1,315)


Patients Recovered - 135 (no change) - Current daily high for recovered patients 42 (22/03) - Data will be updated in due course a new system is in development.


Total UK deaths - 2,352 (+563)


English data


Top 10 Local Authorities with the highest confirmed cases



  1. Birmingham: 734

  2. Hampshire: 652

  3. Surrey: 571

  4. Sheffield: 541

  5. Brent: 506

  6. Hertfordshire: 480

  7. Southwark: 474

  8. Barnet: 468

  9. Lambeth: 462

  10. Kent: 455


Local Authorities with the fewest confirmed cases



  • Rutland: 4

  • Kingston upon Hull, City of: 14

  • Isle of Wight: 14

  • Hartlepool: 15

  • North Lincolnshire: 23

  • North East Lincolnshire: 23

  • Darlington: 24

  • Blackburn with Darwen: 25

  • Blackpool: 27

  • Swindon: 31


​​​​​​​Regional data



  • London - 8,341 (+1,220)

  • Midlands - 4,139 (+569)

  • South East - 3,108 (+683)

  • North East and Yorkshire - 2,829 (+481)

  • North West - 2,413 (+281)

  • East of England - 1,841 (+209)

  • South West - 1,085 (+119)


All changes with yesterday. Data based up to 9am today for new cases and up to 5pm yesterday for new confirmed coronavirus deaths. Not all deaths occurred in the 24hr period.


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


The regional variation is quite marked: 
SE 28%; NE/Yorkshire 20%; London & Midlands 16-17%; East & SW only 12-13%


Presence/size/number of large cities and population density?


 


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Chichesterweatherfan2
01 April 2020 17:51:57
Is it just me but I am sick of the phrase ‘ramping up’...every Govt minister can’t seem to speak without using the phrase or variants of it....it must be the slowest ramp in history! It grates as much as ‘strong and stable’.
bledur
01 April 2020 17:53:09


Wasn't the 260 figure part of a University paper and not actually Government information? I can't remember if it was or not.


Originally Posted by: westv 


 There was an a letter in the Times probably a fortnight ago in which an eminent Doctor or Vet  said his heart sank when he heard Imperial College were heavily involved advice and modelling  of  the Covid19 pandemic. Given their record in the Foot and Mouth i would not believe a word they utter.

Gandalf The White
01 April 2020 17:55:13


 


Think we discussed the guy who said this really wished he hadn't, and was just trying to show a bit of positivity. Others around him were quick to say we should not become complacent and said this will go on for some time yet.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


I commented earlier about the fact that reporting tends to ignore caveats and footnotes. It was the case here because he put the word ‘but’ immediately after the words ‘green shoots’ and put it into proper context - but everyone just jumped on those two words and ignored the rest.


His actual words, “The number of infections is not rising as rapidly as it once was. So green shoots, but only green shoots and we must not be complacent and we must not take our foot off the pedal."



Were his words ill-judged? I don’t think so taken in context. As you say perhaps just a touch of optimism to give hope that the measures might be starting to yield results.


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bledur
01 April 2020 17:56:10

Why can this country not manufacture anti body tests a bit quicker? .  The private sector has offered to help but there is a lack of communication. Apparently Thailand have  produced a test in short time and are manufacturing.

westv
01 April 2020 18:17:55
I didn't antibody tests were anywhere yet.
At least it will be mild!
Gavin D
01 April 2020 18:18:25
France have reported 4,861 new cases & 509 new deaths

New cases have fallen by 2,717 whilst new deaths have increase by 10
Maunder Minimum
01 April 2020 18:39:41

Help from an unlikely source?


From an article in The Telegraph:


"The world’s second-biggest cigarette maker claims to have made a “significant breakthrough” in the race to find a vaccine for the coronavirus and would be ready to start mass production within three months.



British American Tobacco (BAT), the FTSE 100 company behind Lucky Strike and Dunhill, said it could be producing up to 3m million doses of a vaccine a week by June - far faster than rivals, which are expecting to take at least a year.


 BAT intends to start trialling its vaccine in humans as soon as possible. It is running pre-clinical tests and holding urgent talks with US drug authorities to fast-track permissions.


The treatment is being developed by the company's health division Kentucky BioProcessing (KBP), which has previously come up with a drug to combat Ebola. It claims to have found an antibody that appears to fight Covid-19, and is manufacturing this using genetically modified tobacco plants...."



New world order coming.
noodle doodle
01 April 2020 18:41:55
Negative thought:

Could the plateauing in Spain/Italy be down to not having the capacity to report beyond a certain number of deaths? Less doctors (off ill) + more deaths = a back log of deaths to report/classify/confirm cause? We already know the UK reported 'current' deaths that happened weeks ago.
Maunder Minimum
01 April 2020 18:43:04


Just read this on the BBC:




On hospital admissions, she [Doyle] says they have now been increasing for the last three days.


Didn't the medical expert only yesterday (or possibly the day before) say that admissions had stabilised?





 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Stabilised in these terms, means the rate of increase is diminishing - corona virus spreads exponentially, so unrestricted will infect via a multiplication effect - as we have seen in Italy, you don't stop the numbers increasing overnight, but reducing the rate of increase is the first sign of stabilisation.


New world order coming.
Gandalf The White
01 April 2020 18:43:56


Help from an unlikely source?


From an article in The Telegraph:


"The world’s second-biggest cigarette maker claims to have made a “significant breakthrough” in the race to find a vaccine for the coronavirus and would be ready to start mass production within three months.



British American Tobacco (BAT), the FTSE 100 company behind Lucky Strike and Dunhill, said it could be producing up to 3m million doses of a vaccine a week by June - far faster than rivals, which are expecting to take at least a year.


 BAT intends to start trialling its vaccine in humans as soon as possible. It is running pre-clinical tests and holding urgent talks with US drug authorities to fast-track permissions.


The treatment is being developed by the company's health division Kentucky BioProcessing (KBP), which has previously come up with a drug to combat Ebola. It claims to have found an antibody that appears to fight Covid-19, and is manufacturing this using genetically modified tobacco plants...."



Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


There was a piece on BBC News24 in the last 30 minutes on this, with an interview with the UK-based director responsible.


Aparently they've been exploring alternative uses for the tobacco plant for several years and have an Influenza vaccine under trial as well.


Quite interesting that they can get the basis for a vaccine in 12 weeks simply via growing tobacco plants to produce the substance needed.


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Justin W
01 April 2020 18:47:50

Negative thought:

Could the plateauing in Spain/Italy be down to not having the capacity to report beyond a certain number of deaths? Less doctors (off ill) + more deaths = a back log of deaths to report/classify/confirm cause? We already know the UK reported 'current' deaths that happened weeks ago.

Originally Posted by: noodle doodle 


Strip away the headline about deaths in the last 24 hours, and I think the figures from Italy are very worrying.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
The Beast from the East
01 April 2020 18:58:19


 


Strip away the headline about deaths in the last 24 hours, and I think the figures from Italy are very worrying.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


You told me yesterday their lockdown was working and we need to go as hard here?


 


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The Beast from the East
01 April 2020 19:07:27


 




"We have some alternative facts for you"
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Gandalf The White
01 April 2020 19:08:38



 




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Another first class example of the enduring value of Twitter.


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Whether Idle
01 April 2020 19:12:00


 


Strip away the headline about deaths in the last 24 hours, and I think the figures from Italy are very worrying.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Indeed.  Does anyone have the log scale deaths curve graph by country link please?


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
John p
01 April 2020 19:20:26


Camberley, Surrey
xioni2
01 April 2020 19:20:54

Quite decent article here


If there was a moment when the UK turned its back on the traditional public health approach to fighting an epidemic, this was it. Ebola, Sars, Mers – in previous epidemics, nobody had questioned the need to hunt down and eliminate the virus by testing everyone with symptoms, tracking their contacts and isolating and testing those people in turn. But not this time.


According to Richard Horton, editor-in-chief of the Lancet medical journal, the dominant voices in the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), the scientific expert group advising the government, were mathematical modellers and behavioural scientists, including Halpern.


On 25 March, Horton told MPs on the science and technology select committee that Sage appeared to have little input from public health experts and doctors, despite being chaired by the chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, and the chief scientific officer, Sir Patrick Vallance.


The clue for Horton was in the main papers it considered in advising the government of the strategy.


“There is evidence on modelling and on behavioural science, but I don’t see the evidence from the public health community or from the clinical community,” he explained.


Testing, isolation and quarantine – basic public health interventions – were barely on the agenda. Warnings from Chinese scientists of the severity of Covid-19 had not been understood.

Whether Idle
01 April 2020 19:23:49

As Ive been saying, Whitty and Vallance will be made the fall guys as Desperately Slow Boris and his band of incompetents try to avoid responsibility for the national scandal on testing and preparation.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
xioni2
01 April 2020 19:24:09


 Strip away the headline about deaths in the last 24 hours, and I think the figures from Italy are very worrying.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Why are you saying this? Italy now has among the highest number of tests (per million) and the number of new infections seems to be turning. Their number of deaths will probably follow


 

Heavy Weather 2013
01 April 2020 19:32:55


 


Why are you saying this? Italy now has the highest number of tests (per million) in Europe and the number of new infections seems to be turning. Their number of deaths will probably follow


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I don’t like to answer for people, but I wonder if Italy’s decline will be slower and more prolonged.


Take today for instance. They still have 4k cases coming through the system daily. We only hit 4k today and look at our recent deaths.


Italys deaths will come down, but I think look at these numbers it will be a long slog. 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

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