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The Beast from the East
04 April 2020 07:59:32

The country is full of morons. How can anything think a non computer virus can travel over 5G?


But they did vote for Brexit and give Johnson a landslide!


 




"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Ulric
04 April 2020 08:00:13

The Tele this morning is reporting that the ferry companies are asking for state aid to remain operational due to a collapse of passenger numbers.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/04/03/vital-ferry-services-risk-without-state-bailout-industry-warns/


This is a milestone because it means that covid-19 is finally starting to inflict the sort of economic harm on the UK which threatens our food supplies.


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Ulric
04 April 2020 08:02:57


Beating her husband up behind closed doors I assume


I have met him, and he is a doormat


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I'm surprised she's not in evidence. She has the perfect excuse to wear a mask to conceal her delight at other people's misfortune so even the smirk shouldn't be a problem.


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
The Beast from the East
04 April 2020 08:03:26

Lets hope Corona can wipe out thickos


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"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
The Beast from the East
04 April 2020 08:05:24


 


 She has the perfect excuse to wear a mask to conceal her delight at other people's misfortune so even the smirk shouldn't be a problem.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


She has always had that trait to be fair, even when I knew her 20 years ago!


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Gandalf The White
04 April 2020 08:07:47


The country is full of morons. How can anything think a non computer virus can travel over 5G?


But they did vote for Brexit and give Johnson a landslide!


 




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


There was at least one reported incident of a mobile network mast being set on fire following the promulgation of this hoax in social media. Apparently the item was removed within a day but it will resurface. 


I put it alongside the rumours that it’s an escaped bio-weapon; completely ignorant boll**ks.


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Caz
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04 April 2020 08:12:24


Today is the first time I’ve actually read the NHS pages. 


https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-advice/


One thing has surprised me - if you have symptoms, the guidance suggests it is still ok to go out and have your daily walk in the park. 


Given my experiences, this is worrying and makes me want to stay in! I thought previous to this that at least if everyone was following the guidelines, nobody with symptoms would be out! 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

That’s why we’re supposed to be two metres apart!  Anyone could have it without knowing, so it’s really no different.  We need to treat everyone as if they’re contagious!


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nsrobins
04 April 2020 08:12:55


 


And the numbers all across Europe are now falling, even here. We can probably end this by the end of the month and get the pubs open again!


 


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Is that hope casting or a genuine fact-based prediction?


I too would love to see things getting back to normal but anyone with a modicum of common sense can see this (current level of restrictions) isn’t going away for at-least another six weeks and then only in small steps. If you’re so desperate to be in a pub dress your front room up as one and play a pub background soundtrack whilst you’re quaffing with imaginary friends 😊


Neil
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Joe Bloggs
04 April 2020 08:16:18


That’s why we’re supposed to be two metres apart!  Anyone could have it without knowing, so it’s really no different.  We need to treat everyone as if they’re contagious!


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Yes we are supposed to be 2 metres apart. But like I said Caz, there are plenty of arrogant and silly people doing the rounds.


Also, the general consensus is that you are more contagious when you are displaying symptoms. If and when that happens to me, I won’t be risking anyone in my local park and I’ll be staying inside my house. 



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RobN
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04 April 2020 08:17:09


Today is the first time I’ve actually read the NHS pages. 


https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-advice/


One thing has surprised me - if you have symptoms, the guidance suggests it is still ok to go out and have your daily walk in the park. 


Given my experiences, this is worrying and makes me want to stay in! I thought previous to this that at least if everyone was following the guidelines, nobody with symptoms would be out! 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


The guidance seems to contradict itself.


Rob
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doctormog
04 April 2020 08:22:34


 


Is that hope casting or a genuine fact-based prediction?


I too would love to see things getting back to normal but anyone with a modicum of common sense can see this (current level of restrictions) isn’t going away for at-least another six weeks and then only in small steps. If you’re so desperate to be in a pub dress your front room up as one and play a pub background soundtrack whilst you’re quaffing with imaginary friends 😊


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


And don't forget to make the floor sticky with alcohol and move your toilet to three doors down the street for that added Wetherspoon’s effect.


John p
04 April 2020 08:22:43


The Tele this morning is reporting that the ferry companies are asking for state aid to remain operational


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


Surely you should have said ‘to remain afloat’ 


Camberley, Surrey
Ulric
04 April 2020 08:25:41


  If you’re so desperate to be in a pub dress your front room up as one and play a pub background soundtrack whilst you’re quaffing with imaginary friends 😊


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Last night our local did a chat with the landlord and live music via Facebook streams. A group of us got together on group chat and did our usual quiz at 9pm. One local boozer is still supplying off-sales of real ale so I even had a half decent beer!


The community spirit round here is amazing!


 


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Ulric
04 April 2020 08:28:00


Surely you should have said ‘to remain afloat’ 


Originally Posted by: John p 


I don't think Maunders mates have mined the Straits of Dover.


Yet.


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Sevendust
04 April 2020 08:28:20


 And don't forget to make the floor sticky with alcohol and move your toilet to three doors down the street for that added Wetherspoon’s effect.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


I believe the combination of spilled beer and urine kills the virus

llamedos
04 April 2020 08:30:27

With the best will in the world developing a vaccine, carrying out medical tries and then if both effective and safe, mass producing will take months. The concensus is that the earliest achievable would be at the end of 2020 or early 2021.


Without wishing to dampen hopes, isn't it highly likely that covid 19 strain will mutate into a 20/21 version? Science would suggest that the developing vaccine would probably not be effective against a mutation. I fear we may be playing catch up all the time unless border restrictions are in place for the foreseeable.


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doctormog
04 April 2020 08:36:58


 


I believe the combination of spilled beer and urine kills the virus


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


And brain cells? 


nsrobins
04 April 2020 08:41:23


 


Last night our local did a chat with the landlord and live music via Facebook streams. A group of us got together on group chat and did our usual quiz at 9pm. One local boozer is still supplying off-sales of real ale so I even had a half decent beer!


The community spirit round here is amazing!


 


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


A few of my locals are doing off-sales in plastic containers and it’s more than half decent and much better than the bottled stuff which is fine but will never replace a decent hand pulled ale.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
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Heavy Weather 2013
04 April 2020 08:46:12
Neil Ferguson making predictions again:

He told BBC Radio 4: "The critical thing first is to get case numbers down, and then I'm hopeful... in a few weeks' time we will be able to move to a regime which will not be normal life, let me emphasise that, but will be somewhat more relaxed in terms of social distancing and the economy, but relying more on testing."

- What ‘more relaxed’ social distancing could be mean?
- Why is he talking about the economy? He should stick to the science and that only.
- Testing so far has not been great

It’s a bold prediction to make. Was he the professor that also said deaths would peak at 260?
Mark
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Maunder Minimum
04 April 2020 08:46:34

Ha - looks as though The Times enjoyed my picture of three empty wine bottles for my "proudest achievement"


This email came last night from the Sunday Times:


"Thanks for sharing your proudest achievement with us. It's pretty impressive and made me laugh! Hope you enjoyed. 


 
We'd love to include it in our roundup of reader stories this weekend to make people smile. Do you have a photo of you enjoying a glass, by any chance?"
 
New world order coming.
Lionel Hutz
04 April 2020 08:47:00


 


Is that hope casting or a genuine fact-based prediction?


I too would love to see things getting back to normal but anyone with a modicum of common sense can see this (current level of restrictions) isn’t going away for at-least another six weeks and then only in small steps. If you’re so desperate to be in a pub dress your front room up as one and play a pub background soundtrack whilst you’re quaffing with imaginary friends 😊


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


While I don't believe that pubs will be open by the end of the month, I do think that we will start seeing some easing of restrictions by then. Fact based prediction or hope casting? I suppose that we're all guessing to some extent. After all, how many of us really believed a month ago that we would see such a severe lockdown? In a month's time, things may look very different again.


Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



DEW
  • DEW
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04 April 2020 08:47:51


 


Which also suggests they were breaking the rules anyway by meeting up as a couple? Not sure anyone would be in that loved up state outside if they had already spent 2 weeks together confined to their house!


There must be loads of cases of couples who live apart meeting up for some action on the sly! 


Affairs have probably reduced though, less justification for going out! 


Originally Posted by: Tim A 


Be charitable! How do you know they were living apart? Love and affection doesn't always stop with marriage or even moving in together.


War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

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speckledjim
04 April 2020 08:50:57


Fascinating stuff about Sweden in the Tele today. Their experiment will yield useful results and may - just may - give some hope to those wanting an earlier end to the lockdown. As I said yesterday, Covid-19 seems to act as a "fast forward" button on those who are already ill. Whatever happens, it's a fascinating experiment.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/03/coronavirus-swedish-experiment-could-prove-britain-wrong/



Paywalled, but here are some snippets.

Public health officials have one more trick up their sleeves to dampen down the fears over the virus. The country is also about to start releasing figures that show how many people died "from" coronavirus rather than died "with" coronavirus, as the British statistics show.


...

Professor Neil Ferguson of Imperial College, has told the UK Government's Science Technology and Health Committee that up to two thirds of deaths of people with coronavirus would probably have happened this year anyway.

So it will be interesting to find out just how many can actually be attributed to the virus, a figure that Britain is unlikely to find out before annual mortality figures are released early next year.

The Swedes believe that changing how the figures are reported will cut the number of people dying from coronavirus by as much as four fifths, and slash the death rate to well below 1 per cent, perhaps even lower than seasonal flu.

So far it appears that men account for the vast majority of intensive care cases, with women making up just 24 per cent of those infected.

Likewise, of those needing intensive care, some 76 per cent had underlying health conditions, with high blood pressure being the biggest risk factor.

In Britain, it could end up being even higher. Just 6 per cent of people who died on Friday, 3 April had no reported health problems.


...

Whatever happens, within weeks it will become apparent whether Sweden's gamble has been a triumph of common sense or a catastrophic and deadly mistake.

And the results of the experiment will be felt throughout the world. If public health officials do manage to flatten the curve it will make it far more difficult for the UK to continue imposing a lockdown that is devastating the economy.

Likewise, if deaths surge, it will give governments the ammunition they need to keep restrictions in place for longer, perhaps even until a vaccine or treatment is available.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


I was talking to a consultant friend of mine who is based at one of the major hospitals in Leeds. She was saying that to date all who have died in her hospital were already very poorly and were going to die shortly.


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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westv
04 April 2020 09:00:37

I thought the problem was more about a large number being hospitalised, exhausting NHS resources and thereby potentially leading to deaths amongst those not connected with Covid19.


At least it will be mild!
Caz
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  • Advanced Member
04 April 2020 09:02:29


 


Yes we are supposed to be 2 metres apart. But like I said Caz, there are plenty of arrogant and silly people doing the rounds.


Also, the general consensus is that you are more contagious when you are displaying symptoms. If and when that happens to me, I won’t be risking anyone in my local park and I’ll be staying inside my house. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

I really haven’t found people to be arrogant generally.  Although where I walk, it’s easy to avoid anyone walking the opposite way, as the paths are through wide grassed areas.  I always expect to give way to others and I’m always thanked or acknowledged.  It usually generates polite verbal exchange and a laugh!


I accept that everyone’s situation is different and I’m lucky to live surrounded by countryside.  Being sensible and accepting that not everyone has common sense, is probably the best approach. 


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