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Gavin D
06 April 2020 12:16:25


 


Excellent news. Obviously he wasn't on a ventilator this morning.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


That's correct. The UK have condemned Russia for spreading "disinformation" about Boris Johnson's health.


 


A lesson to some on here as well don't spread false information regarding Boris' health regardless of who your supposed sources are!

xioni2
06 April 2020 12:17:05

I just watched the Queen's message, what a class act. Even if great speech writers have been involved, the delivery was exemplary.


Very inspiring.


 

Quantum
06 April 2020 12:19:22


 


 


That's correct. The UK have condemned Russia for spreading "disinformation" about Boris Johnson's health.


 


A lesson to some on here as well don't spread false information regarding Boris' health regardless of who your supposed sources are!


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


As I say though it takes an average of 3 days to go from hospital to ICU+ventilator. So hopefully by Thursday we should have good news and an improving picture.


 

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westv
06 April 2020 12:19:36


I just watched the Queen's message, what a class act. Even if great speech writers have been involved, the delivery was exemplary.


Very inspiring.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Apparently 24m people watched it.

At least it will be mild!
John p
06 April 2020 12:19:44


 


 


That's correct. The UK have condemned Russia for spreading "disinformation" about Boris Johnson's health.


 


A lesson to some on here as well don't spread false information regarding Boris' health regardless of who your supposed sources are!


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 




I’m still inclined to think all is not as rosy as they’re painting.  Why else would he remain in hospital?

Camberley, Surrey
Saint Snow
06 April 2020 12:20:10


 


I don't think it's a conundrum at all. It is never morally justifiable to wish ill towards someone, whatever wrong you think they've caused. I find it odd that you think policies don't do harm to someone: if you put up taxes you do harm. I really think that's such a simplistic view as to be fatally flawed.


There's a time and a place for measured criticism; in the midst of a crisis is, IMHO, not the time for political point scoring. 


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


I wasn't 'political point scoring', I was making a general philosophical point, which Hickster turned into a sneering personal accusation, which I corrected him on.


Staying with 'general philosophical points', its nonsense to say it's "never morally justifiable to wish ill towards someone". There are countless figures littering history who we would all wish ill, as they have caused 'harm'. Starting from that point, the difference between people is where they draw their own red line on what level of harm they consider the subject in question to have caused.


Martin
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Aneurin Bevan
John p
06 April 2020 12:22:05


 


 


I wasn't 'political point scoring', I was making a general philosophical point, which Hickster turned into a sneering personal accusation, which I corrected him on.


Staying with 'general philosophical points', its nonsense to say it's "never morally justifiable to wish ill towards someone". There are countless figures littering history who we would all wish ill, as they have caused 'harm'. Starting from that point, the difference between people is where they draw their own red line on what level of harm they consider the subject in question to have caused.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I’m inclined to agree, but in limited doses.  For example I wish all the ill will in the world to Donald Trump.

Camberley, Surrey
xioni2
06 April 2020 12:24:03


Staying with 'general philosophical points', its nonsense to say it's "never morally justifiable to wish ill towards someone". There are countless figures littering history who we would all wish ill, as they have caused 'harm'. Starting from that point, the difference between people is where they draw their own red line on what level of harm they consider the subject in question to have caused.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


There is no comparison of course, but would anyone here wish well to Hitler? The point is, it's all relative.


 

llamedos
06 April 2020 12:24:16


I just watched the Queen's message, what a class act. Even if great speech writers have been involved, the delivery was exemplary.


Very inspiring.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 

Couldn't agree more. A 94 year woman, without glasses, reading a message which she obviously had a certain amount of input to, from an autocue, without hesitation and living the words rather than reading them......quite incredible.  

"Life with the Lions"

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The Beast from the East
06 April 2020 12:24:30





I’m still inclined to think all is not as rosy as they’re painting.  Why else would he remain in hospital?


Originally Posted by: John p 


He's not "fine" but he is not dying either


 



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westv
06 April 2020 12:24:35





I’m still inclined to think all is not as rosy as they’re painting.  Why else would he remain in hospital?


Originally Posted by: John p 


Also, according to the BBC the main reason people go into hospital is breathing difficulties.


 

At least it will be mild!
Maunder Minimum
06 April 2020 12:26:01


 


I was on this forum during Ebola. From the outset this one looked alot worse, but I could have still easily been wrong and this could have remained in China. No one ever knows for sure, but if ever there was a candidate and everything.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


This one was different from the outset - personally, I was not at all alarmed that Ebola would spread globally for all kinds of reasons and with SARS it did not take long to work out that although deadly, it was not a virus which spread that easily. From the outset of the outbreak in China, it was clear that this corona virus was able to spread with astonishing speed - seeing the reaction and the way China started building new hospitals with massive urgency, drove that point home - that was why I cancelled my March trip to Copenhagen in January.


Health officials across Europe acted with astonishing complacency, instead of immediately restricting travel and freedom of movement. A stitch in time saves nine - if they had not been so complacent then, Europe might not be now in the dreadful mess we now see - the economic costs of restricting travel and screening at ports, would have been as nothing, compared to the devastating economic impacts of the current lockdowns.


 

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Gavin D
06 April 2020 12:26:09

speckledjim
06 April 2020 12:27:26


 


Excellent news. Obviously he wasn't on a ventilator this morning.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Yes, can’t say I’m too surprised that Justin’s ‘source’ proved to be completely wrong. Seems to be lots of people that have sources that know stuff 

Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Saint Snow
06 April 2020 12:27:32


 


There is no comparison of course, but would anyone here wish well to Hitler? The point is, it's all relative.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


Which is my point. But better not to litter this thread with philosophical debate about the wishing ill on others (which, let's be frank, has absolutely no influence on the wellbeing or otherwise of said person!!! )


Martin
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xioni2
06 April 2020 12:27:59


Couldn't agree more. A 94 year woman, without glasses, reading a message which she obviously had a certain amount of input to, from an autocue, without hesitation and living the words rather than reading them......quite incredible.  


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


Exactly my thoughts too, let's hope her message will make a difference. Even if a few people change their behaviour because of it, lives will be saved.


 


 

The Beast from the East
06 April 2020 12:29:32


 


This one was different from the outset - personally, I was not at all alarmed that Ebola would spread globally for all kinds of reasons and with SARS it did not take long to work out that although deadly, it was not a virus which spread that easily. From the outset of the outbreak in China, it was clear that this corona virus was able to spread with astonishing speed - seeing the reaction and the way China started building new hospitals with massive urgency, drove that point home - that was why I cancelled my March trip to Copenhagen in January.


Health officials across Europe acted with astonishing complacency, instead of immediately restricting travel and freedom of movement. A stitch in time saves nine - if they had not been so complacent then, Europe might not be now in the dreadful mess we now see - the economic costs of restricting travel and screening at ports, would have been as nothing, compared to the devastating economic impacts of the current lockdowns.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


The lockdowns across Europe will be lifted in part at least by next month. Then we see if there is a second wave, or if that only comes in the Autumn. 


We need to look to Asia for clues


 

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Heavy Weather 2013
06 April 2020 12:29:41




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Just because its his twitter account, doesn't mean he wrote it. Its clear his condition is serious. You don't get taken to hospital, remain there and use a vital bed if its not serious. 


On Friday we were told it was just mild symptoms, again you don't go to hospital with mild symptoms. 111 don't even send you to hospital if they are mild.

Mark
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bowser
06 April 2020 12:30:04


 


I was on this forum during Ebola. From the outset this one looked alot worse, but I could have still easily been wrong and this could have remained in China. No one ever knows for sure, but if ever there was a candidate and everything.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


China locking down Hubei with simultaneously little travel restrictions in and out of China was the red flag IMO.

Heavy Weather 2013
06 April 2020 12:31:28


 


Yes, can’t say I’m too surprised that Justin’s ‘source’ proved to be completely wrong. Seems to be lots of people that have sources that know stuff 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Out of order. How do you know his source was wrong. Soundbites and words from Number 10 are meaningless until you see Boris Johnson back at work leading the country.

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
John p
06 April 2020 12:33:07


 


Yes, can’t say I’m too surprised that Justin’s ‘source’ proved to be completely wrong. Seems to be lots of people that have sources that know stuff 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Justin did caveat the info, I suspect oxygen was given (some people just need some minor assistance for a period) and that may have been interpreted as ventilation, along the way.


I for one appreciate the titbits of info so won’t be taking part in a pile-on.

Camberley, Surrey
xioni2
06 April 2020 12:33:50


 Just because its his twitter account, doesn't mean he wrote it. Its clear his condition is serious. You don't get taken to hospital, remain there and use a vital bed if its not serious. 


On Friday we were told it was just mild symptoms, again you don't go to hospital with mild symptoms. 111 don't even send you to hospital if they are mild.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


We just don't know though, it's possible that he just has some moderate breathing difficulties and his doctor wanted a CT scan of his lungs. They could just be erring on the side of caution (wish they had done the same with the country a month ago).

Brian Gaze
06 April 2020 12:39:19


 


Just because its his twitter account, doesn't mean he wrote it.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I think it's a given that he doesn't write his tweets.

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llamedos
06 April 2020 12:40:38


 


Just because its his twitter account, doesn't mean he wrote it. Its clear his condition is serious. You don't get taken to hospital, remain there and use a vital bed if its not serious. 


On Friday we were told it was just mild symptoms, again you don't go to hospital with mild symptoms. 111 don't even send you to hospital if they are mild.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

With respect if you're the PM there are probably slightly different criteria. Obviously he wouldn't have been admitted on a whim though.

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westv
06 April 2020 12:40:46


 


I think it's a given that he doesn't write his tweets.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Maybe Trump should follow the same line.

At least it will be mild!
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