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westv
07 April 2020 12:03:49


 


Thought they said he was not requiring any mechanical ventilation which would include CPAP. I may have misheard.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


"He is receiving "standard" oxygen treatment and is breathing without any other assistance, a spokesperson says.He has not required mechanical ventilation or non-invasive respiratory support"

At least it will be mild!
Justin W
07 April 2020 12:04:44

I don’t understand. He hasn’t required respiratory support but he has been receiving oxygen...


Which is it?


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07 April 2020 12:05:09


Quite obviously 


Originally Posted by: llamedos 

And if released from hospital thereafter I guess everyone will be slagging him off again. 


How fickle society and the media are   

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Brian Gaze
07 April 2020 12:05:58
If recent trends are followed UK deaths will rise to between 550 and 700 today. Another similar rise to between 700 and 850 tomorrow. If lower then it's promising. Missed the hospital admission rates yesterday so aren't sure whether they've peaked.
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xioni2
07 April 2020 12:08:36

If recent trends are followed UK deaths will rise to between 550 and 700 today. Another similar rise to between 700 and 850 tomorrow. If lower then it's promising. Missed the hospital admission rates yesterday so aren't sure whether they've peaked.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I think your estimates are too low.

Quantum
07 April 2020 12:09:26

Will add that the average non-surviver would not be expected to go on a ventilator until tommorow.


We are not out of the woods, but if he is still not on a ventilator on Thursday then I think survival is likely.


 

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Brian Gaze
07 April 2020 12:09:32
Does anyone know what has happened to the Dyson CoVent? I thought they were delivering 10000 this month.
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westv
07 April 2020 12:10:19

Does anyone know what has happened to the Dyson CoVent? I thought they were delivering 10000 this month.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


The Dysons suck!


 


 

At least it will be mild!
Gandalf The White
07 April 2020 12:12:02


 


If he's out of ICU today they must be ULTRA confident he's on the mend. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


👍👍👍


Yes, despite the likely pressure on the ICU they wouldn't move him unless they were confident that his body was overcoming the virus.


Evn if the timing is in doubt, it can only be good news that he is stable.

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Gavin D
07 April 2020 12:12:53
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No 10 reject suggestions they have not been candid about the seriousness of PM's condition. "We have been fully frank."
Phil G
07 April 2020 12:14:15


I have an I do not understand the degree of criticism of China on here other than the fact that their practices in their markets and treatment of animals most likely caused this and I agree there should be international action to pressure them to rectify this although I suspect they will take action themselves. Whilst criticised for not letting the world know immediately they had no idea what they were dealing with at first. Once they did they seemed to have been much more successful in isolating, testing and tracing than anybody else. They quickly built hospitals and seemed to have more PPE. Whilst everybody else is now looking after themselves they were expected to prioritise us when they were in the position we are now?  What more have we done than they did to stop the spread, and the West had more time and more knowledge.They have a population of 1.4 billion to contain which must be a bit tricky. What about the USA? Why are they not being criticised even more. Their President wasted weeks making jokes about it and even now they are not universally isolating. How does that help the rest of the world in the weeks ahead? Furthermore there was criticism of China waiting a week before releasing the genetic code. Well I thought that was pretty good. Do you think if the outbreak was in the USA they would have found it and released it quicker? You bet they wouldn't. It would have been sent straight to the big U.S drug companies to give them a head start on vaccine development. How do we know that they didn't have to further confirmations and checks before they released it. Imagine the repercussions  if it was wrong. They would have been accused of mis-information. Would our red tape let it out quicker than a week? I'm not sure.The Chinese also offered excess PPE and  equipment to the rest of the world. Compare that with the USA who actively tried to hijack, outbid and intercept other international supplies.


Given their situation, I don't think they have been any worse than anybody else.


 


 


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


My word, what a list of excuses. Seems you are using the blame game outside of China, unbelievable! They caused this. They dithered trying to keep this quiet. What we see now is a result of their practices and actions. Don't you try to blame anyone else, it's shameful.


Your last line "I don't think they have been worse than anybody else". This is their mess, they created it. They have been so quiet. If it had been us that had killed more than 75,000 to date we would have been on our knees in sorrow, saying it was unforgivable.


There has been nothing from China, that's unforgivable. The world should have them for manslaughter!


Yes China are dealing with it, bully for them. What have they left in their wake!

Gandalf The White
07 April 2020 12:14:26


 


The Dysons suck!


 


 


Originally Posted by: westv 


Only until the battery runs out


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speckledjim
07 April 2020 12:15:22


I don’t understand. He hasn’t required respiratory support but he has been receiving oxygen...


Which is it?



Originally Posted by: Justin W 


he’s needed oxygen which will be via a mask and you can vary the level. He will just be breathing as normal and the oxygen will assist with that. It’s a huge jump then to mechanical ventilation which is needed when a patient cannot breath properly. Boris’s O2 levels will be below 96% which is why he needs additional oxygen to bring it back up.


My daughter spent the first 6 years of her life in and out of hospital with respiratory problems. Fortunately we were always able to id the warning signs early so she only ever required oxygen and never needed mechanical ventilation. As she’s grown bigger and her lungs have too she’s been fine for the past few years.

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NickR
07 April 2020 12:16:28

Does anyone know what has happened to the Dyson CoVent? I thought they were delivering 10000 this month.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


That was never an actual thing, Brian. It was a proposal and a possibility that was leaked and did Dyson no PR harm, of course.

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Gandalf The White
07 April 2020 12:19:07


 


My word, what a list of excuses. Seems you are using the blame game outside of China, unbelievable! They caused this. They dithered trying to keep this quiet. What we see now is a result of their practices and actions. Don't you try to blame anyone else, it's shameful.


Your last line "I don't think they have been worse than anybody else". This is their mess, they created it. They have been so quiet. If it had been us that had killed more than 75,000 to date we would have been on our knees in sorrow, saying it was unforgivable.


There has been nothing from China, that's unforgivable. The world should have them for manslaughter!


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


You will not convince some contributors, Phil.  


There have been some quite odd attempts at defending China, with equally odd motivations.  The facts are quite clear and don't need to be re-stated: you have only to look at the clear evidence to know that China is culpable. Choosing wilfully to cover up the outbreak is orders of magnitude worse than any other government's alleged mistakes. 

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Justin W
07 April 2020 12:19:36


 


he’s needed oxygen which will be via a mask and you can vary the level. He will just be breathing as normal and the oxygen will assist with that. It’s a huge jump then to mechanical ventilation which is needed when a patient cannot breath properly. Boris’s O2 levels will be below 96% which is why he needs additional oxygen to bring it back up.


My daughter spent the first 6 years of her life in and out of hospital with respiratory problems. Fortunately we were always able to id the warning signs early so she only ever required oxygen and never needed mechanical ventilation. As she’s grown bigger and her lungs have too she’s been fine for the past few years.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Thank you. Glad to hear your daughter is well.

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Gandalf The White
07 April 2020 12:22:15


 


he’s needed oxygen which will be via a mask and you can vary the level. He will just be breathing as normal and the oxygen will assist with that. It’s a huge jump then to mechanical ventilation which is needed when a patient cannot breath properly. Boris’s O2 levels will be below 96% which is why he needs additional oxygen to bring it back up.


My daughter spent the first 6 years of her life in and out of hospital with respiratory problems. Fortunately we were always able to id the warning signs early so she only ever required oxygen and never needed mechanical ventilation. As she’s grown bigger and her lungs have too she’s been fine for the past few years.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Wow, that must have been a worrying time. Glad she's grown out of it.


We had a son who had eczema which then became asthma a few years later, which then resulted in a frantic 999 call one cold autumn morning. Also grown out of it now, thankfully.

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Gusty
07 April 2020 12:30:38

Whats done is done..the past cannot be changed. Anger and bitterness will only consume us. The only time we have is the here and now.


Its a time to be kind, look after ourselves and others and obey government guidance.


Best wishes to Boris Johnson. I wish him a speedy recovery. I've been impressed by his gravitas and humanity. He has stepped up as a true leader. Goodness knows we all need one at the moment.


Stay safe all. 

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The Beast from the East
07 April 2020 12:33:04

Was it even necessary to put him in ICU in the first place? Sounds like he jumped the queue when it wasn't needed


Anyway, well done to him. He is a strong, virile man mountain and nobody wants Rabbers in charge!


 

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Justin W
07 April 2020 12:34:47


Was it even necessary to put him in ICU in the first place? Sounds like he jumped the queue when it wasn't needed


Anyway, well done to him. He is a strong, virile man mountain and nobody wants Rabbers in charge!


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


It's only a short hop to the ultimate nightmare as the holders of the great offices of state fall.


With Johnson ill, Raab is in charge


If Raab falls sick, Sunak steps up


If Sunak gets Covid-19.........


....


Priti Patel is in charge


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The Beast from the East
07 April 2020 12:40:07


 


Priti Patel is in charge



Originally Posted by: Justin W 


MI5 wouldn't allow it. She is a national security risk. They would have taken Corbyn out too 


Anyway, we have a No deal Brexit to look forward to in a few months.


If Boris tries to extend, Rabbers and co will take him out anyway

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Bolty
07 April 2020 12:41:17


Whats done is done..the past cannot be changed. Anger and bitterness will only consume us. The only time we have is the here and now.


Its a time to be kind, look after ourselves and others and obey government guidance.


Best wishes to Boris Johnson. I wish him a speedy recovery. I've been impressed by his gravitas and humanity. He has stepped up as a true leader. Goodness knows we all need one at the moment.


Stay safe all. 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 



Good post. We all need to work to get this pandemic over as soon as possible, and limit as much damage as possible. My personal opinion is I want to see China pay a price for this - possibly with economic sanctions where's possible, or compensation to affected countries. It's easy to get consumed by that now, but it's not the time. We can play the blame game later.

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Maunder Minimum
07 April 2020 12:43:34

Does anyone know what has happened to the Dyson CoVent? I thought they were delivering 10000 this month.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It is being manufactured - JCB is also involved in pressing out components - was on the local news a couple of nights ago.


But full production is scheduled for early May. Clearly, the government is anticipating the second wave.


Meanwhile the breathing aid designed by Formula 1 technicians is already being produced and rolled out:


https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.mercedes-to-begin-delivery-of-10-000-breathing-aids-to-nhs-as-part-of.2xDeE5gsLUrSX7zmE4MeCx.html


 

New world order coming.
The Beast from the East
07 April 2020 12:43:56

Time for the Yellow Vests to come out again. You cant treat people like prisoners. We cant stop this virus, just let it rip!


I thought the Frogs were good at civil disobedience?


 



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Justin W
07 April 2020 12:44:35

Fascinating report on the foreign pages of today's Times about how China rather than taking a low profile after its behaviour is aggressively building up its military in the South China Sea. The Pentagon wants an extra $16bn to counter it.


My view has always been that China represents a malign threat to our way of life and should be dealt with as a potential adversary rather than the West's new best mate. The pandemic has merely reinforced that view.


 

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