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The Beast from the East
20 April 2020 19:38:05


 


I thought he looked surprisingly well in the video he released straight after his release from hospital. 


Originally Posted by: John p 


Indeed. He hadn't lost any weight at all for someone allegedly at deaths door


"Taking one for the team" has boosted his popularity and given him a get out of jail free card. Gone so well that one would almost think Cummings had planned it......


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JHutch
20 April 2020 19:47:10

Anti-lockdown protest in Shrewsbury today with two men taking to a rooftop to protest. Looking at various sites i cannot quite work out what the nature of their greivance is, i had wondered if they were people taking a big hit financially but it looks a bit more to me like it is more of a freedom thing. Their facebook group has 500 members apparently but is closed to outside viewers.


https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/health/coronavirus-covid19/2020/04/20/anti-lockdown-protesters-in-stand-off-with-police-on-roof-of-shrewsbury-college/


 

Brian Gaze
20 April 2020 20:01:55


Anti-lockdown protest in Shrewsbury today with two men taking to a rooftop to protest. Looking at various sites i cannot quite work out what the nature of their greivance is, i had wondered if they were people taking a big hit financially but it looks a bit more to me like it is more of a freedom thing. Their facebook group has 500 members apparently but is closed to outside viewers.


https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/health/coronavirus-covid19/2020/04/20/anti-lockdown-protesters-in-stand-off-with-police-on-roof-of-shrewsbury-college/


 


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


I was surprised to see a few anti-lockdown posters going up in windows around here yesterday. It's not exactly a redneck area.


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Phil G
20 April 2020 20:11:04


 


 


Spot on.


May had her faults, but her integrity - at least in so far as she believed - is not in question. 


Bozo is a feckless, adulterous, egomaniac snob.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


May, weak and feeble, a terrible home secretary and the worst PM we have ever had. What did she ever achieve, her CV has nothing of note on it, only disaster's. She never wanted Brexit, she should never have put herself forward as PM. She put herself before her country.


While she kept making trips across the channel, people got confused with hard work and sheer incompetence. She was completely out of her depth, thoroughly exposed.


Integrity? Haha, She was a EU puppet and would have sold our soul.


Disastrous calamity sums up Theresa. Naive and hopeless she contributed to keeping this country in limbo, allowed Brexit to fester and caused even more division.


See what someone did after her achieved who was passionate about democracy.


In my book, May will be remembered as a complete useless fraud. The leadership contest that brought her in was a sham.


EDIT: Just found this.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/05/theresa-may-disastrous-home-secretary-prime-minister-policing/


 

Quantum
20 April 2020 20:16:00


 


I was surprised to see a few anti-lockdown posters going up in windows around here yesterday. It's not exactly a redneck area.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


They are weak


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Phil G
20 April 2020 20:18:41

A question that's been asked
From the BBC news ticker:
"NHS publishes death toll ethnicity data for England
The ethnicity of those who have died with coronavirus in English hospitals has been published for the first time.
The breakdown by NHS England gave the ethnicity of 12,593 of the 13,918 people known to have died before the weekend.
It states that 18.7% of those who died had Black, Asian and mixed ethnicity (BAME) backgrounds.
The most recent reliable ethnicity data in England and Wales is a little dated, but according to the 2011 census 14% of people in were from ethnic minority backgrounds.
Downing Street says it has commissioned an investigation into the issue".

Less than 1 in 5, still a lot but given the coverage received it sounded like there were more of this group affected.
I imagine the 14% figure is higher now given this was 9 years ago since the census.

glenogle
20 April 2020 20:25:47

A question that's been asked
From the BBC news ticker:
"NHS publishes death toll ethnicity data for England
The ethnicity of those who have died with coronavirus in English hospitals has been published for the first time.
The breakdown by NHS England gave the ethnicity of 12,593 of the 13,918 people known to have died before the weekend.
It states that 18.7% of those who died had Black, Asian and mixed ethnicity (BAME) backgrounds.
The most recent reliable ethnicity data in England and Wales is a little dated, but according to the 2011 census 14% of people in were from ethnic minority backgrounds.
Downing Street says it has commissioned an investigation into the issue".

Less than 1 in 5, still a lot but it sounded like there were more of this group affected.
I imagine the 14% figure is higher now given this was 9 years ago since the census.

Originally Posted by: Phil G 


So 4 in 5 is us white folks? That's not as skewed as I expected based on what I'd seen in the media.


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Roger Parsons
20 April 2020 20:27:22

A question that's been asked
From the BBC news ticker:
"NHS publishes death toll ethnicity data for England
The ethnicity of those who have died with coronavirus in English hospitals has been published for the first time.
The breakdown by NHS England gave the ethnicity of 12,593 of the 13,918 people known to have died before the weekend.
It states that 18.7% of those who died had Black, Asian and mixed ethnicity (BAME) backgrounds.
The most recent reliable ethnicity data in England and Wales is a little dated, but according to the 2011 census 14% of people in were from ethnic minority backgrounds.
Downing Street says it has commissioned an investigation into the issue".

Less than 1 in 5, still a lot but it sounded like there were more of this group affected.
I imagine the 14% figure is higher now given this was 9 years ago since the census.

Originally Posted by: Phil G 


This issue may be linked to the increased vulnerability of ethnic groups already known to have a higher risk of, for example, diabetes - which is flagged as a risk factor in Covid-19. ]


Diabetes and Ethnicity


https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-and-ethnicity.html


 


Roger


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xioni2
20 April 2020 20:41:19


 All EU members (except Ireland) plus all associated EEA countries (essentially the Schengen area) have closed their external borders to non citizens on non essential travel. The ban is likely to last into May.


In addition to this, more than 10 EU countries have fully closed their own borders to non-nationals. Not even other EU citizens can now travel to the Czech republic or Slovakia, only their own nationals can.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Speaking of borders, the president of the Czech Republic thinks they should keep them closed for a year (both in and out) with Czechs not allowed to go abroad and visitors not allowed in either.


https://news.expats.cz/weekly-czech-news/czech-borders-should-remain-closed-for-one-year-says-president-milos-zeman/

Gavin D
20 April 2020 20:54:57

Updated trajectory suggesting the UK has now probably peaked for deaths. It's still too early to say if US has peaked or not.


Lionel Hutz
20 April 2020 21:12:55


 


Speaking of borders, the president of the Czech Republic thinks they should keep them closed for a year (both in and out) with Czechs not allowed to go abroad and visitors not allowed in either.


https://news.expats.cz/weekly-czech-news/czech-borders-should-remain-closed-for-one-year-says-president-milos-zeman/


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Czech citizens being stopped from leaving the country? Perhaps he should consider stationing some Russian troops in the country while he's at it.


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JHutch
20 April 2020 21:13:45


Regional data for new cases today in England


The 7 English regions 



  • London +297 (1.4%) 21,654

  • Midlands +457 (3.0%) 15,038

  • North West +457 (3.2%) 14,328

  • South East +315 (2.4%) 12,878

  • North East and Yorkshire +366 (2.9%) 12,642

  • East of England +256 (3.3%) 7,732

  • South West +192 (3.9%) 4,861


 


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Be nice if that is true, and the number of cases is dipping in London, but i suspect there is missing data there.

David M Porter
20 April 2020 21:52:10

Professor John Ashton, who ripped the government's handling of the virus to shreds on QT just over a month ago, lays into them again here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuoAst1CZDo


 


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Gandalf The White
20 April 2020 22:16:07


 


Just going by Irish stats, but the median age of death from the virus itself (81) is similar to the average age of death in more 'normal' circumstances, which also stands at 81. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


It's not the age of death; it's the timing of the death.  I think your stats are just coincidental, given the small sample.  The alternative is that they were about to die anyway, which seems improbable, does it not?


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Gandalf The White
20 April 2020 22:22:21


 


I was surprised to see a few anti-lockdown posters going up in windows around here yesterday. It's not exactly a redneck area.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I suspect the driver is boredom; they've stuck at it for almost four weeks now and the sense of danger is obviously abating.


I think anyone who sticks up such a poster or indulges in a protest should be escorted to the nearest hospital and taken to an ICU. Alernatively we need a new offence of gross stupidity.


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20 April 2020 22:23:21


I was surprised to see a few anti-lockdown posters going up in windows around here yesterday. It's not exactly a redneck area.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Nothing here, but from conversations I've had people are more equivocal about the approach than you might imagine. Lockdown is being broadly observed though.


Ramble:
There isn't anything unusual about this pandemic - similar has occurred before throughout history. However, the response (a weeks long lockdown on billions) is unprecedented in scale. At the moment compliance is amazingly high in my view. Contrarians will have various reasons. Some will be opposed on libertarian grounds, some will disagree with the medical approach and some will get increasingly angry as they watch their business or job disappear. But a number will simply struggle psychologically to deal with the isolation, confinement and movement restrictions and will start to rationalize reasons to fight against it. The longer the lockdown goes on the more of this we will see IMO.


Basically it's a vast behavioural experiment with unknown consequences.


Also there is a new opium of the masses. My sneaking suspicion is that if you turned off the internet you would see compliance collapse frighteningly quickly!


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fairweather
20 April 2020 23:56:43


 


Yes beggars belief. They should at least be quaranteed for 2 weeks as standard.


In addition, as mentioned already there are plenty of private jets visible on sites going back and forth, from everywhere. Unlikely they are being challenged in anyway either. 


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


It does seem weird. I can't get my head round it. The people making these decisions are surely as aware of the risk as we are. They are also not completely stupid (hopefully) so is there some rationale we are missing?


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fairweather
21 April 2020 00:00:01


 


I wonder if any journalists will ask that question in today's briefing.


Presumably these flights are returning to Pakistan empty as everyone is being told to stay at home.....  It's a bit of a stretch to claim a trip to Lahore or Islamabad is 'essential'.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Relative dying from Corona virus?


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
21 April 2020 00:03:22


 


All very true, though I suppose we have think in terms of magnitude. 2000 road deaths within a year (awful in itself) vs over 16,000 deaths in the UK over just the last couple of months from Covid. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


Yes if you extrapolated that up to what will probably be 25000 and then multiplied by five you would have 125,00 deaths per year. I think if we did you might find there was a universal speed limit of 30mph or some other draconian measures.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
21 April 2020 00:14:35


 


 


Peter, businesses have fixed costs and peak periods for trading. Many won't be able to survive as it is, and the longer restrictions stay in place, the higher that number of business failures grows.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yes, that is going to be pretty tragic for those people if they don't get help but I suppose the question to them isn't would you allow people to die if it meant keeping your business open but are you prepared to die to keep your business open? As Devonian pointed out there wasn't an economic slump before this. In a capitalist world it is about market forces and competition and sadly for those businesses that go under a new one will fill its place if it leaves a void in the market.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
21 April 2020 00:17:25


 


All EU members (except Ireland) plus all associated EEA countries (essentially the Schengen area) have closed their external borders to non citizens on non essential travel. The ban is likely to last into May.


In addition to this, more than 10 EU countries have fully closed their own borders to non-nationals. Not even other EU citizens can now travel to the Czech republic or Slovakia, only their own nationals can.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


So they managed to get back control of their borders without leaving the EU and there was me thinking that wasn't possible!


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
21 April 2020 00:22:22


  Let’s hope it’s a successful trip this time!  


I’ve just been reading a report from our local, Sherwood Forest NHS Trust and they are reporting no problems with PPE or staff testing.  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


I bet that Robin Hood bloke has been nicking them from the posh Southern NHS Trusts and giving them to the poor 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
21 April 2020 00:25:20


 


I can't see why the weekend effect won't continue, but at a lower level as the overall downward trend is obvious now and it matches the timing of the shutdown. The problem/worry is that this downward trend will not be steep and we'll just have a relative plateau of 300-800 deaths 'daily' for the next 2-3 weeks.


To an extent, that what's flattening the peak means, we avoided a very sharp peak (which could have swamped the NHS) and we'll probably get a flatter and fatter curve now. 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I think it will go lower than that but as you say at a reduced rate and then flat line at about 200 a day then the unlockdown will be phased in. After that will be the squeaky bum time.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
21 April 2020 00:32:11


If North Korea did newspapers.....


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Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Of course that is a classic case of damned by faint praise!


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
21 April 2020 00:39:17


 


Bozo is a feckless, adulterous, egomaniac snob.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yes, but he does have bad days as well 


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