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Saint Snow
29 April 2020 14:18:19


When are people guessing the advice to work from home if possible will change? I'm thinking July at the earliest.


Originally Posted by: westv 


 


My employer is already sounding out people's feelings on potentially returning to work once restrictions are eased. They plan to have a maximum of half the employees in the office at a time, and won't pressure anyone to come into the office if they feel uncomfortable for the time being. This in a company that is operating very effectively with all its staff* working from home.


My best guess would be somewhere around late May/early June before a relaxation begins generally, but with heavy social distancing measures.


And I think there'll be a phased return to schools from after what would have been the Whit half-term holidays, too. Not sure what they'll do with infant/primary kids (other countries have prioritised these, and there's the Iceland study suggesting they are less likely to spread infection), but I know that in secondary schools, the main educational concern is to get Year 10s and 12s back ASAP so they don't fall too behind for their GCSE's & A-levels next year.


We cannot carry on like we are for that much longer, and that is becoming an entrenched opinion amongst more and more people.


 


* some - the IT guys, the FD, the facilities manager, a couple of department heads - have been in almost as much as they've been at home, apparently


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
speckledjim
29 April 2020 14:21:29
I had been wondering why there were so few CV deaths in Africa. Early days but they may get through this relatively unscathed.

https://www.ft.com/content/e9cf5ed0-a590-4bd6-8c00-b41d0c4ae6e0 
Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Quantum
29 April 2020 14:22:38


 


As exemplified by your weird fixation with defending Cummings's presence at SAGE meetings.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


The Guardian article didn't merely say Cummings attended a SAGE meeting. It claimed he was a member of SAGE.


 

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xioni2
29 April 2020 14:24:04


 The Guardian article didn't merely say Cummings attended a SAGE meeting. It claimed he was a member of SAGE.


 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


It didn't.

Saint Snow
29 April 2020 14:24:06


And I think there'll be a phased return to schools from after what would have been the Whit half-term holidays, too. Not sure what they'll do with infant/primary kids (other countries have prioritised these, and there's the Iceland study suggesting they are less likely to spread infection), but I know that in secondary schools, the main educational concern is to get Year 10s and 12s back ASAP so they don't fall too behind for their GCSE's & A-levels next year.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


I really should read all the thread before answering a post 


Education secretary confirms schools will reopen in phases

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52469939

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Brian Gaze
29 April 2020 14:24:39

Too much positive news in one day is no good to man or beast.  So to balance things:


‘Second wave’ of Covid-19 ‘inevitable’ in France


It is inevitable that France will see a “second wave” of coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 - which causes Covid-19 - after deconfinement begins, medical experts have said.


A jump in the number of infections post-confinement is widely expected, as people begin to leave their homes and schools reopen from May 11.


Effectiveness of confinement
This is partly a sign of how effective confinement has been in slowing the virus spread, according to a study by medical research centre l’Institut Pasteur in Paris, which showed that the policy had “had a significant impact on the spread” of the virus, reducing it by 84%.


Confinement has reduced the infection rate (known as “R0”) from “3.3 per person, to 0.5”, the report said.


https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Second-wave-of-Covid-19-infections-inevitable-in-France-after-confinement-say-scientific-experts


 

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Brian Gaze
29 April 2020 14:26:41


My employer is already sounding out people's feelings on potentially returning to work once restrictions are eased. They plan to have a maximum of half the employees in the office at a time, and won't pressure anyone to come into the office if they feel uncomfortable for the time being. This in a company that is operating very effectively with all its staff* working from home.


My best guess would be somewhere around late May/early June before a relaxation begins generally, but with heavy social distancing measures.


And I think there'll be a phased return to schools from after what would have been the Whit half-term holidays, too. Not sure what they'll do with infant/primary kids (other countries have prioritised these, and there's the Iceland study suggesting they are less likely to spread infection), but I know that in secondary schools, the main educational concern is to get Year 10s and 12s back ASAP so they don't fall too behind for their GCSE's & A-levels next year.


We cannot carry on like we are for that much longer, and that is becoming an entrenched opinion amongst more and more people.


 


* some - the IT guys, the FD, the facilities manager, a couple of department heads - have been in almost as much as they've been at home, apparently


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Probably me being thick but I don't understand. You are saying the company is "operating very effectively" at the moment but "we cannot carry on like we are for that much longer".

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Gavin D
29 April 2020 14:30:20

Of the 445 new deaths from hospitals in England announced today one patient was aged 14 with no known underlying health conditions


The current breakdown of deaths in hospitals so far is



  • 10,297 (52%) aged 80+

  • 7,703 (39%) aged 60-79

  • 1,585 (8%) aged 40-59

  • 145 (1%) aged 20-39

  • 10 (0.05%) aged 0-19 

springsunshine
29 April 2020 14:31:27


 


 


My employer is already sounding out people's feelings on potentially returning to work once restrictions are eased. They plan to have a maximum of half the employees in the office at a time, and won't pressure anyone to come into the office if they feel uncomfortable for the time being. This in a company that is operating very effectively with all its staff* working from home.


My best guess would be somewhere around late May/early June before a relaxation begins generally, but with heavy social distancing measures.


And I think there'll be a phased return to schools from after what would have been the Whit half-term holidays, too. Not sure what they'll do with infant/primary kids (other countries have prioritised these, and there's the Iceland study suggesting they are less likely to spread infection), but I know that in secondary schools, the main educational concern is to get Year 10s and 12s back ASAP so they don't fall too behind for their GCSE's & A-levels next year.


We cannot carry on like we are for that much longer, and that is becoming an entrenched opinion amongst more and more people.


 


* some - the IT guys, the FD, the facilities manager, a couple of department heads - have been in almost as much as they've been at home, apparently


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


The uk should be doing what Germany has done and enshrine in employment law that any employee who`s job can be done from home can request they work from home which the employer cannot reasonably refuse.This would be beneficial for both employer and employees who wish to do so and save costs for a business,its a win win not to mention eradicating the total waste of time commuting therefore a major step in combating climate change. 


One good thing about this pandemic is nature and the environment worldwide has been a big winner.The virus has done in a lightning quick time what it would have taken mankind decades to achieve.This is THE opportunity to change our ways for good and I hope we can see what we need to do and change.Most of what we buy and spend money on simply is unnecessary.

Lionel Hutz
29 April 2020 14:32:05

I had been wondering why there were so few CV deaths in Africa. Early days but they may get through this relatively unscathed.

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 

">https://www.ft.com/content/e9cf5ed0-a590-4bd6-8c00-b41d0c4ae6e0


Early days as you say but excellent news if this situation continues in Africa. I think that there are certainly grounds for optimism in Africa - even allowing for low testing rates and lower average ages, you would have expected higher death rates in Africa by now. It's also good news for us as it raises the possibility that the virus might be less active as summer arrives in Europe. It is notable that the virus never got going in Australia either and warmer/sunnier conditions there might have played a part. 

Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



Quantum
29 April 2020 14:32:35


 


It didn't.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


The guardian claimed they were 'on the secret scientific group' i.e members.

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Saint Snow
29 April 2020 14:35:07


 


Probably me being thick but I don't understand. You are saying the company is "operating very effectively" at the moment but "we cannot carry on like we are for that much longer".


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Society is a lot broader than my workplace 


(and it was wider society that I was on about)


 


In all seriousness, we can do the day to day work effectively from home, but 1) we do need to make occasional client visits, 2) it helps to discuss work issues with colleagues face to face (I don't like Teams), 3) I use my home printer so infrequently (about once every 2/3 months in normal times) that whenever I do need to use it, it has a tendency to have clogged/stopped working in some other way and I need a new one.


 


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Retron
29 April 2020 14:47:58


it has a tendency to have clogged/stopped working in some other way and I need a new one.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


If it's HP, you just need to remove the cartridges and clean the bottom with some alcohol.


If it's Epson or similar it's much harder - you have to run the cleaning cycle over and over and over and over (as the print head is internal on these, they take ink from the cartridge and hold it in a temporary "holding area". When this dries out it's a PITA)

Leysdown, north Kent
Saint Snow
29 April 2020 14:54:57


 


If it's HP, you just need to remove the cartridges and clean the bottom with some alcohol.


If it's Epson or similar it's much harder - you have to run the cleaning cycle over and over and over and over (as the print head is internal on these, they take ink from the cartridge and hold it in a temporary "holding area". When this dries out it's a PITA)


Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


My current one (Canon) is telling me there is no ink cartridge installed, but there is. I replaced an old near-empty cartridge and printed a couple of things; didn't use it for about a month and when I went to use it again, it told me there was no cartridge. I've removed it, cleaned it, still nothing. It could be the cartridge at fault rather than the printer, but I don't want to shell out £20 for a new cartridge only to find it's the printer that's knackered.


Been advised (by our IT people) to get a laserjet because they sit idle far better, but for the amount I use it (and that's mostly by the kids) I don't want to be paying £200.


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Retron
29 April 2020 14:59:24


Been advised (by our IT people) to get a laserjet because they sit idle far better, but for the amount I use it (and that's mostly by the kids) I don't want to be paying £200.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Any laser printer would have the same beenfit - we've had ones sitting on a shelf at work for 8 years and they still work fine when plugged back in!


Laserjets start at £80:


https://www.ebuyer.com/830333-hp-m15a-a4-mono-laser-printer-w2g50a-b19


Colour lasers are a different kettle of fish, but they're a lot cheaper than they used to be. £150 will get one:


https://www.ebuyer.com/794231-canon-lbp611cn-a4-colour-laser-printer-1477c019


(Those are commission free links. eBuyer is the company we use at work, others are, of course, available.)


Personally, if it was me, I'd be tempted to buy the cheapest compatible cartridge I could find for that Canon, just in case it was the cartridge rather than the printer.

Leysdown, north Kent
fairweather
29 April 2020 14:59:28


 


Mid 40s, but I think Maunder is age matured Gammon


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Well just to let you know that when you hit 70, if you are lucky, you will feel exactly the same as you do now and most likely be doing the same things, except you will probably value that part of your life that's left a bit more highly than you seem to now. Just a thought for the day. 

S.Essex, 42m ASL
SJV
29 April 2020 15:17:55

Latest NHS England deaths on actual days chart for Wednesday now including a more comprehensive view of the ONS data


(open in new tab for full size)


Saint Snow
29 April 2020 15:20:36

Interesting to note that, after being a county with one of the lowest concentrations of cases, one area of Lincolnshire is now looking like a relative hotspot (Boston), whilst North Lincs has also gone up a shade.


 


https://covid.joinzoe.com/data


 


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Saint Snow
29 April 2020 15:27:10

Was mooching around the ONS site and noticed some figures on retail sales (01/03/20 to 04/04/20, figures relative to previous month):


 


Overall - down 5.1%


Clothing - down 34.8%


Fuel - down 18.9%


 


Food - up 10.4%


Alcohol - up 31.4%  


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Saint Snow
29 April 2020 15:28:12


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Quantum
29 April 2020 15:33:24

Well looks like my already depressed opinion of overrated in chief Elon 'I invented tunnels' Musk has reached a new low since he joined the 'Free murica' crowd. Guy should get back to what he does best, calling diving heros pedophiles and flauting his physics ignorance on twitter.


 

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fairweather
29 April 2020 15:36:01


 


Any laser printer would have the same beenfit - we've had ones sitting on a shelf at work for 8 years and they still work fine when plugged back in!


Laserjets start at £80:


https://www.ebuyer.com/830333-hp-m15a-a4-mono-laser-printer-w2g50a-b19


Colour lasers are a different kettle of fish, but they're a lot cheaper than they used to be. £150 will get one:


https://www.ebuyer.com/794231-canon-lbp611cn-a4-colour-laser-printer-1477c019


(Those are commission free links. eBuyer is the company we use at work, others are, of course, available.)


Personally, if it was me, I'd be tempted to buy the cheapest compatible cartridge I could find for that Canon, just in case it was the cartridge rather than the printer.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


My Canon inkjet printer is ten years old (MP640) and heavily used for home-office stuff and some photos from time to time. Prints direct to CDs as well. Always used compatible cartridges from Internet-Ink which cost about £10 for a set of 5. Doubt I'll ever get one this good again.

S.Essex, 42m ASL
Gandalf The White
29 April 2020 15:37:08


Was mooching around the ONS site and noticed some figures on retail sales (01/03/20 to 04/04/20, figures relative to previous month):


 


Overall - down 5.1%


Clothing - down 34.8%


Fuel - down 18.9%


 


Food - up 10.4%


Alcohol - up 31.4%  


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Someone commented recently on retail alcohol sales being up.  I do wonder how much it is, for both food and alcohol, just substitution: because pubs, restaurants, clubs and hotels are shut. I'd wager that overall alcohol consumption is little changed.

Location: South Cambridgeshire
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aparry
29 April 2020 15:41:36



Wales at least was adding care home on for the first time including backlogs I think, it will likely be a one day jump then settle back


Originally Posted by: four 


 


Here in rural Wales that the reason given for the backlog in two areas was incorrect recording of the data. "Rumours" that the reason for the incorrect recording was that the patient primary address in England was used rather than the second home address. With this government I can't believe that these rumours will be confirmed/denied

Quantum
29 April 2020 15:43:18


Interesting to note that, after being a county with one of the lowest concentrations of cases, one area of Lincolnshire is now looking like a relative hotspot (Boston), whilst North Lincs has also gone up a shade.


 


https://covid.joinzoe.com/data


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Cool website, have favourited.


I mean its not that suprising, 'cold spots' that have shorter curves also probably have flatter curves and as you say its only a hot spot in relative terms. Anyway its looking like good news in general with everywhere seeing decreasing number of cases.


 

2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 3 days with snow/sleet falling
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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)

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