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westv
11 May 2020 19:00:06
Guidance for different work environments.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/working-safely-during-coronavirus-covid-19 

At least it will be mild!
Saint Snow
11 May 2020 19:07:32

LOL!


If anything epitomises the Tory Party, it is that whilst the retail, hospitality, tourism, entertainment, restaurant and pub industries crash and burn with millionsof jobs on the line, and healthcare and social care workers are still dying by the dozen through lack of adequate PPE, the government makes a special provision to get nannies back to work.



Martin
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xioni2
11 May 2020 19:08:04


Alert level currently at 4 and moving towards level 3


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Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


 


Bullsh1t level remains at 5.

Saint Snow
11 May 2020 19:11:17


Bullsh1t level remains at 5.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 



 




Martin
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"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Phil G
11 May 2020 19:18:19

NHS England have revised the new hospital deaths down by 19 to 190

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Sure they did that the other day as well. Something like a revision down of 90 odd, but was quite significant as it dropped the daily total from something like 380 to 290 odd.


Really fills you with confidence these reported numbers!

Maunder Minimum
11 May 2020 19:21:02


New world order coming.
The Beast from the East
11 May 2020 19:54:09


LOL!


If anything epitomises the Tory Party, it is that whilst the retail, hospitality, tourism, entertainment, restaurant and pub industries crash and burn with millionsof jobs on the line, and healthcare and social care workers are still dying by the dozen through lack of adequate PPE, the government makes a special provision to get nannies back to work.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


And cleaners


And you can play tennis


But how many people have a tennis court, when public ones are still closed? Boris has one


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
The Beast from the East
11 May 2020 19:55:57


Nail on the head from Saint's favourite commentator:


Macron's very similar slogan proves uncontroversial in Paris



"Save Lives Stay Careful"


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Difference being they have contained their virus with very strict lockdown


We are taking a big gamble


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
RobN
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11 May 2020 20:03:48

From the PRWeek trade rag...


PR pros lambast new Government 'Stay alert' slogan as 'unclear' and 'unhelpful'


Communications experts believe the update from the 'Stay home, protect the NHS, save lives' to 'Stay alert, control the virus, save lives' will confuse the public and is too vague and open to interpretation, when what is needed is clarity. Some have taken aim at the slogan being leaked to the press.


What does it mean?


Several PR industry leaders speaking to PRWeek were left perplexed by the “ambiguity” of the new messaging.


Ginny Paton, a managing partner responsible for PR at Iris, questioned what ‘stay alert’ actually means.


“It’s vague, unclear and unhelpful,” she said. “If ever there was a message created by committee, this was it. It says nothing while covering everything.


“There was plenty of time and opportunity for clarity to be provided by the time we got to [Sunday night's] briefing. Massive own goal for the government.”


https://www.prweek.com/uk


 


 


Rob
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Whether Idle
11 May 2020 20:04:16


 


 



 



Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Nail on Head.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Joe Bloggs
11 May 2020 20:04:20

Both Whitty and Vallance suggested in the briefing they’d be gobsmacked if there was wasn’t some form of breakthrough in fighting this virus - whether it’s a vaccine or a successful treatment regime. 


That’s a minor positive in let’s be honest, what has been another frustrating and tiresome day.



Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL

fairweather
11 May 2020 20:11:26

It's only when I watched the Press conference I realised how badly the Government have lost the plot and how flustered they are because they know it. I'm afraid The King is in the Altogether.


Well this is all getting so confused and over complicated. A minister on TV said it is now fine to drive anywhere to go for a walk or sunbathe so long as you don't leave England and go home the same day. On another channel a spokesman was asked if it was ok now to drive to their son's university digs and pick up his personal belongings. He said, no because it isn't an essential journey!! They've the lost plot now and they know it.


It's not complicated in fact it really only needs two questions.
1. Will what I do increase the risk of transmission and of me infecting somebody? If yes don't do it. If no it's ok
2. Will what I am about to do increase the risk of me catching it? If yes, don't do it. If no, it's ok.
It really isn't difficult.
(You could add - will what I do increase pressure on the NHS, if it will then don't do it, but this is less relevent now the are well below peak, especially in A&E).
And this is the mantra I will be following.
S.Essex, 42m ASL
Bugglesgate
11 May 2020 20:19:00


 


 



 



Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 



 


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Phil G
11 May 2020 20:22:15


It's only when I watched the Press conference I realised how badly the Government have lost the plot and how flustered they are because they know it. I'm afraid The King is in the Altogether.


Well this is all getting so confused and over complicated. A minister on TV said it is now fine to drive anywhere to go for a walk or sunbathe so long as you don't leave England and go home the same day. On another channel a spokesman was asked if it was ok now to drive to their son's university digs and pick up his personal belongings. He said, no because it isn't an essential journey!! They've the lost plot now and they know it.


It's not complicated in fact it really only needs two questions.
1. Will what I do increase the risk of transmission and of me infecting somebody? If yes don't do it. If no it's ok
2. Will what I am about to do increase the risk of me catching it? If yes, don't do it. If no, it's ok.
It really isn't difficult.
(You could add - will what I do increase pressure on the NHS, if it will then don't do it, but this is less relevent now the are well below peak, especially in A&E).
And this is the mantra I will be following.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 


That's the problem where most can risk assess after the information they have seen. At the far end of the spectrum, about 10% just don't have any common sense or clue however if their instructions are not written down. You get people ringing 999 and wanting the police as their 7 year old refuses to do as their told. No nous, no decision making skills, they just don't get it.

Saint Snow
11 May 2020 20:30:02


 


That's the problem where most can risk assess after the information they have seen. At the far end of the spectrum, about 10% just don't have any common sense or clue however if their instructions are not written down. You get people ringing 999 and wanting the police as their 7 year old refuses to do as their told. No nous, no decision making skills, they just don't get it.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


 


You've probably got another 10% who think themselves too special for the restrictions to apply to them.



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Aneurin Bevan
Ulric
11 May 2020 20:36:18
I've just been looking at FB trying to gauge the attitude of people generally to the govt. message. The variety of opinions is extraordinary but there are definitely large numbers who really believe that the problem is all made up and that it has been blown out of proportion.
To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Phil G
11 May 2020 20:38:48


 


 


You've probably got another 10% who think themselves too special for the restrictions to apply to them.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yep, and when you convert that % to people, that's a lot of the population to rely on to work together to get through this.

RobN
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11 May 2020 20:40:58

I think everyone now knows the lockdown should have been earlier but this is pretty damning..


Coronavirus: Earlier Scottish lockdown 'could have prevented 2,000 deaths'


An outbreak began in Edinburgh on 26 and 27 of February at a conference for the sportswear giant Nike. More than 70 employees from all over the world attended the conference at the Hilton Carlton Hotel.


One of the delegates from abroad brought the virus into Edinburgh and infected many of their fellow Nike employees, who then returned to their own countries. At least 25 people linked to this one event are confirmed to have been infected - eight of them resident in Scotland.


Health authorities in Scotland were aware of this potential outbreak by 2 March, but the public were not told about it. 


Despite knowing the virus had been in Scotland since at least late February, Scotland did not ban mass gatherings until 16 March, or go into lockdown until 23 March - the same day as the restrictions were announced by the UK government.


Scotland's own advisory panel - featuring Professor Devi Sridhar, chair of public health at Edinburgh University - was set up two days after the lockdown was introduced.


Prof Sridhar said there had "definitely" been more than enough information about the coming pandemic for action to have been taken much sooner across the UK.


She said: "We should have been acting by mid-February. We could see that this was not easily a virus to be contained."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52617895


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
Phil G
11 May 2020 20:43:39

I've just been looking at FB trying to gauge the attitude of people generally to the govt. message. The variety of opinions is extraordinary but there are definitely large numbers who really believe that the problem is all made up and that it has been blown out of proportion.

Originally Posted by: Ulric 


Scarey! Perhaps if we go into a a tighter lockdown with curfews and army on the streets that might convince them something's up.


There's a virus hospital special on BBC2 right now and an eye opener. This should be on BBC1. Rather than hearing about numbers in updates, people should see real life what is going on. It would ram it home to a few more.

JHutch
11 May 2020 20:51:06

If you thought our testing was sh1t then you should see what the French have been up to 


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/coronavirus-found-paris-sewage-points-early-warning-system


Assuming it works it would seem a good early warning system of the virus starting to infect more people. Being tried in NE England too


https://www.ncl.ac.uk/press/articles/latest/2020/04/covid19sewage/

Essan
11 May 2020 20:53:13

Guidance for different work environments.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/working-safely-during-coronavirus-covid-19

Originally Posted by: westv 



Oh good, I don't have to write down the risk assessment I did in my head 2 weeks ago - and all the advice is to do what I was already going to do.

But then, its all common sense ....


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Brian Gaze
11 May 2020 20:58:43

We took delivery of a sofa ordered in early December this afternoon. Today was the first day of deliveries since lockdown started.


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RobN
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11 May 2020 20:58:46


If you thought our testing was sh1t then you should see what the French have been up to 


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/coronavirus-found-paris-sewage-points-early-warning-system


Assuming it works it would seem a good early warning system of the virus starting to infect more people. Being tried in NE England too


https://www.ncl.ac.uk/press/articles/latest/2020/04/covid19sewage/


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


So the opinions early on that this whole thing was a shitshow have proved correct.


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
fairweather
11 May 2020 21:05:51


If you thought our testing was sh1t then you should see what the French have been up to 


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/coronavirus-found-paris-sewage-points-early-warning-system


Assuming it works it would seem a good early warning system of the virus starting to infect more people. Being tried in NE England too


https://www.ncl.ac.uk/press/articles/latest/2020/04/covid19sewage/


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


Merde! They beat us to it.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
11 May 2020 21:07:10


 


I have been impressed with Starmer so far and I thought that was a good address.


He comes across as sensible, articulate, level headed and intelligent. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


 Looks like I made a sound choice.


S.Essex, 42m ASL

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