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fairweather
21 May 2020 13:59:48


The numbers from the virus surveillance from the ONS are not good, they show ~8,700 new infections per day over the last 2 weeks (61,000 per week) in the general population (hospitals and care homes are excluded). Track and trace has little chance of succeeding with these kind of numbers and a further relaxation of the lockdown can easily cause an increase.


At 'present' 0.25% of our population is infected, most other European countries have significantly lower numbers.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Yes and clearly what the Zoe app has been showing for 10 days. We are moving to a neutral stage where I think people are all looking to compromise. The vulnerable are now somewhat better protected than they were at the start of the outbreak. The general population have some understanding of social distancing. I think what will happen next is we will cruise along accepting a hundred deaths a day' knowing they will be mostly either people with underlying conditions or the elderly. Continued excuses will be made to get back to nearer normality which let's face it most people will want. Then there will be a large number of people like me who will more or less continue with the current rules and take my own calculated risks bearing in mind my own situation. (which I hasten to add is easy, retired, 70, not too much underlying). 


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John p
21 May 2020 14:01:36


 


I think you must have missed my lengthy discussion of this earlier today, page one I think. All very interesting.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


👍 and thanks to Darren too. 


Camberley, Surrey
Gandalf The White
21 May 2020 14:35:24


 


Of course they do, that's an outrageous question. Okay, they call it sitting in the rain with a coat on, but it's essentially the same thing


Originally Posted by: Hippydave 


Odd; I thought it was called winter sports. You can get a decent tan from the sun bouncing back off the snow.


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Retron
21 May 2020 14:46:25
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public 

2,615 new cases today... it's down a bit from last week, but still far higher than our European neighbours. R must be pretty high still (presumably still below 1, though), as otherwise these would be going down a lot faster.
Leysdown, north Kent
llamedos
21 May 2020 15:00:55

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public

2,615 new cases today... it's down a bit from last week, but still far higher than our European neighbours. R must be pretty high still (presumably still below 1, though), as otherwise these would be going down a lot faster.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

It has always been mooted that we're a couple of weeks behind some of the other European countries, so wouldn't that make sense?


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Retron
21 May 2020 15:06:16


It has always been mooted that we're a couple of weeks behind some of the other European countries, so wouldn't that make sense?


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


Nope! As I mentioned the other day, we're now further away than 2 weeks.


The past three days have seen around 2500 cases a day here.


Go back 2 weeks and the 3 day averages are:


Spain: 2898


Italy: 1307


France: 1776


The Spain figure is deceptive - there was a 3-day spike of higher values, for whatever reason. France's figures were 1089/3640/600, so they also saw a spike.


 


 


 


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llamedos
21 May 2020 15:12:10


 


Nope! As I mentioned the other day, we're now further away than 2 weeks.


The past three days have seen around 2500 cases a day here.


Go back 2 weeks and the 3 day averages are:


Spain: 2898


Italy: 1307


France: 1776


The Spain figure is deceptive - there was a 3-day spike of higher values, for whatever reason. France's figures were 1089/3640/600, so they also saw a spike.


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 

That's quite a disparity Darren - I've obviously not kept quite up to speed.....too many graphs, percentages and numbers from too many sources! 


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Saint Snow
21 May 2020 15:16:13




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


Brian, we really do need a face-palm emoji.


 


If I've understood his point correctly, the Herbert with the Coors bottle is saying that he thinks there's going to be a 'more stricter' lockdown anyway, so he may as well be part of the problem that causes there to probably be a 'more stricter ' lockdown.



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Devonian
21 May 2020 15:28:53


 


 


Brian, we really do need a face-palm emoji.


 


If I've understood his point correctly, the Herbert with the Coors bottle is saying that he thinks there's going to be a 'more stricter' lockdown anyway, so he may as well be part of the problem that causes there to probably be a 'more stricter ' lockdown.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yup, that's what he 'finks'.

Gavin D
21 May 2020 15:40:38

Regional data for new cases today in England


The 7 English regions 



  • London +49 (0.2%) 26,628

  • Midlands +190 (0.8%) 24,827

  • North West +163 (0.7%) 24,295

  • North East and Yorkshire +155 (0.7%) 23,337

  • South East +127 (0.6%) 20,637

  • East of England +83 (0.6%) 13,394

  • South West +52 (0.7%) 7,422


The 10 local areas with the highest cases



  • Kent +56 (1.2%) 4,618

  • Lancashire +14 (0.4%) 3,420

  • Birmingham +8 (0.2%) 3,348

  • Hampshire +13 (0.4%) 3,206

  • Essex +14 (0.4%) 3,121

  • Surrey +12 (0.4%) 2,847

  • Hertfordshire +8 (0.3%) 2,790

  • Sheffield +5 (0.2%) 2,498

  • Cumbria +8 (0.4%) 2,161

  • Staffordshire +14 (0.7%) 2,133


The 10 local areas with the lowest cases



  1. Rutland +1 (3.0%) 33

  2. North East Lincolnshire 148 - No change

  3. Isle of Wight +3 (1.7%) 181

  4. Torbay 221 - No change

  5. Bath and North East Somerset 230 - No change

  6. Bracknell Forest 240 - No change

  7. Windsor and Maidenhead +1 (0.4%) 280

  8. Calderdale +2 (0.7%) 287

  9. Portsmouth 313 - No change

  10. Hartlepool 319 - No change

SJV
21 May 2020 15:55:50


 


 


Brian, we really do need a face-palm emoji.


 


If I've understood his point correctly, the Herbert with the Coors bottle is saying that he thinks there's going to be a 'more stricter' lockdown anyway, so he may as well be part of the problem that causes there to probably be a 'more stricter ' lockdown.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Anything he says isn't worth taking seriously purely from the fact his drink of choice is Coors lager.

Gavin D
21 May 2020 16:06:07
9,543 in hospital down from 9,953 yesterday and down 14% from last Thursday
Retron
21 May 2020 16:11:31


Regional data for new cases today in England


 



  • Kent +56 (1.2%) 4,618


 


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


What IS it about Kent? It's been top of the pile for weeks now and in absolute terms we're now seeing more cases than London (and multiples more than any other county)...


Leysdown, north Kent
warrenb
21 May 2020 16:14:26


 


What IS it about Kent? It's been top of the pile for weeks now and in absolute terms we're now seeing more cases than London (and multiples more than any other county)...


Originally Posted by: Retron 


It is because it is to do with the postal address of the hospital or person who has died. So large parts of Bromley and Bexley come under Kent.


Back to my silence.


JHutch
21 May 2020 16:15:01

Test results suggest that 17% of people in London have antibodies, 5% outside London.

Gavin D
21 May 2020 16:23:21

Daily slides


Social distancing



Tests and new cases



People in hospital



All settings deaths with 7-day rolling average


Saint Snow
21 May 2020 16:34:05


 


Anything he says isn't worth taking seriously purely from the fact his drink of choice is Coors lager.


Originally Posted by: SJV 


 


Oi!




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21 May 2020 16:34:28
Heavy Weather 2013
21 May 2020 16:37:02
I see Matt Hancock is doing the briefing today. Has he lied yet?
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Saint Snow
21 May 2020 16:42:58

I see Matt Hancock is doing the briefing today. Has he lied yet?

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


 


Q. How can you tell when Matt Hancock is lying?


A. His lips move.


 


 


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SJV
21 May 2020 16:47:22


 


 


Oi!



Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Corona with a wedge of lime for me  (really!)

Brian Gaze
21 May 2020 16:48:08

This I don't get. Other countries have done or are doing wide-scale antibody testing. Triggle makes it sound like there is no urgency in the UK. Personally I think we should already have done population samples. In fact the apparent lack of urgency beggars belief


 


Instead, officials will be keeping an eye on whether those who have antibodies are at lower risk of re-infection.


The test may also help with surveillance in time.


A large sample of the population could be tested to look for signs of antibodies.


One of the great unknowns is just how many people have been infected but have not developed symptoms. [source: Nick Triggle]


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SJV
21 May 2020 16:48:46

A humiliating u-turn


NHS staff and care workers from overseas are to be exempt from paying a surcharge to use the health service after mounting pressure from MPs.


Boris Johnson's spokesman said the PM had asked the Home Office and Department for Health to exempt NHS and care workers "as soon as possible".


Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said it was "a victory for common decency"...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52761052

Heavy Weather 2013
21 May 2020 16:50:59


A humiliating u-turn


NHS staff and care workers from overseas are to be exempt from paying a surcharge to use the health service after mounting pressure from MPs.


Boris Johnson's spokesman said the PM had asked the Home Office and Department for Health to exempt NHS and care workers "as soon as possible".


Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said it was "a victory for common decency"...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52761052


Originally Posted by: SJV 


Great news. I wonder what MM has to say after defending the HMG decision 


Mark
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Darren S
21 May 2020 16:51:42


What IS it about Kent? It's been top of the pile for weeks now and in absolute terms we're now seeing more cases than London (and multiples more than any other county)...


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Kent is big. Because of its large population, it is only 53rd out of 149 local authority areas; that is in the top half admittedly but below many London boroughs. It currently has 294.4 cases per 100,000 of population.


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-tracker-how-many-cases-are-in-your-area-updated-daily-11956258


Bromley and Bexley aren't in Kent, they are in their own authority areas. Bromley currently has 381.5 cases per 100,000. Bexley is slightly lower than Kent with 283.5 per 100,000.


Worst upper tier local authority in England is Sunderland with 491.7 per 100,000.
Worst lower tier local authority in England is Barrow in Furness with 829.6 per 100,000.
Worst upper tier local authority in the UK is "Cardiff and Vale" with 509.9 per 100,000.


 


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