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Jiries
07 August 2020 18:33:07


Shame Epsom not there beecause it reached 37C on my phone both today and last Friday but how much for 37C? lbetween 36.5C to 37.4C?  Epsom may had seen 38-40C in 2003 and last year?   Here Galley Common does very well in the heat despite on the slight hill at 130m, got 33.9C last week and the heat feelings are the same when i lived in Epsom but need very clear skies in here to allow temps to go higher.  


 

superteacher
07 August 2020 18:37:35


 


Shame Epsom not there beecause it reached 37C on my phone both today and last Friday but how much for 37C? lbetween 36.5C to 37.4C?  Epsom may had seen 38-40C in 2003 and last year?   Here Galley Common does very well in the heat despite on the slight hill at 130m, got 33.9C last week and the heat feelings are the same when i lived in Epsom but need very clear skies in here to allow temps to go higher.  


 


Originally Posted by: Jiries 

It’s quite poor in terms of our coverage of official stations. If you look back through the high temperature records, most of the stations no longer exist / are no longer official.

Jiries
07 August 2020 19:04:07


It’s quite poor in terms of our coverage of official stations. If you look back through the high temperature records, most of the stations no longer exist / are no longer official.


Originally Posted by: superteacher 


More like very boring weather stations,  UK is a big country enough to see some hidden hot and cold spots.  Epsom had reached -24C to 36C range from the Surrey Weather book.  When I was in Chicago and i scanned for local stations there every one of them every few blocks away. Now Cyprus have more weather stations ratio than here for a small divided island by the locals who joined with the Cyprus Met Office.  

Chidog
07 August 2020 19:04:11
So Kew requires a minimum of 23.6 or higher to record what is surely the first day anywhere in the UK with a 30 degree mean temperature
07 August 2020 19:09:03


 


Just scanning the records to see what is needed for top 10. I think it's 36.1 C. Here's my list of the top 12:


1) 38.7C - 25 July 2019


2) 38.5C - 10 August 2003


3) 37.8C - 31 July 2020


4) 37.1C - 3 August 1990


5=) 36.7C - 9 August 1911
5=) 36.7C - 1 July 2015


7) 36.5C - 19 July 2006


8=) 36.4C - 6 August 2003
8=) 36.4C - 7 August 2020 (TBC)


10) 36.1C - 19 August 1932


11) 36.0C - 22 July 1911


12) 35.9C - 3 July 1976


 


Some uncertainly around the July 1911 figure.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I had a couple of updates to that list. The Barbourne record in 1990 was removed from the Torro list recently but then so was the Faversham record from 2003. As far as the Met Office is concerned the Faversham reading still holds but they seem to have dropped the Barbourne reading per the link below.


Also there is another figure of 36.4C from 9 August 2003 at Enfield.


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The Enfield figure for 2003 can be found at this link


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/metofficegovuk/pdf/weather/learn-about/uk-past-events/interesting/2003/hot-spell---august-2003---met-office.pdf


There is no reference to the Barbourne figure at the link below so I think perhaps that one has been discredited by the Met Office and should be removed. It was much higher than surrounding stations. 


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/metofficegovuk/pdf/weather/learn-about/uk-past-events/interesting/1990/hot-spell-august-1990---met-office.pdf

Rob K
07 August 2020 19:14:44

So Kew requires a minimum of 23.6 or higher to record what is surely the first day anywhere in the UK with a 30 degree mean temperature

Originally Posted by: Chidog 


Very unlikely I would have thought.


I wonder what the highest daily mean temp is though.


Heathrow with a mean of 28.85 (max 37.9, min 20.0) on 10-11 Aug 2003 is the highest I can find with a quick search but I suspect it will have been beaten by a more urban station.


 


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superteacher
07 August 2020 19:40:33
So Brighton holds the record for warmest night on record. What factors would lead to such an event, considering somewhere like London would have been hotter during the day and retained that heat due to the UHI effect? Some freak land breeze?
TimS
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07 August 2020 19:42:36

Met Office remarkably bullish with the temps still:


https://twitter.com/metoffice/status/1291806836954365954?s=21


 


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
07 August 2020 19:42:57


 


Very unlikely I would have thought.


I wonder what the highest daily mean temp is though.


Heathrow with a mean of 28.85 (max 37.9, min 20.0) on 10-11 Aug 2003 is the highest I can find with a quick search but I suspect it will have been beaten by a more urban station.


 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I don't think your figures above are correct Rob. The minimum is taken from the 24hrs to 09z on the day in question. So the appropriate minimum that goes with the maximum of 37.9 on the 10th is the period from 09z on the 9th to 09z on the 10th. The temperature was 18.3C at 09z on the 9th. So the mean is in fact 28.1C


Looking at the highest minimum records by month the highest July minimum was St James Park at 23.3C on 29 July 1948. I looked at the maximum that day and it was 33.3C. So the mean was 28.3C which is slightly higher than the Heathrow figure above.

Brian Gaze
07 August 2020 19:55:00

Could be another attempt tomorrow. Saturday has been my favoured day for a while. 



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Heavy Weather 2013
07 August 2020 19:56:38


Could be another attempt tomorrow. Saturday has been my favoured day for a while. 



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Do you mean for the record Brian.


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Brian Gaze
07 August 2020 20:03:31


 


Do you mean for the record Brian.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Still thinking 38C is very possible but the chance of a new record is low but not off the table.


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Ally Pally Snowman
07 August 2020 20:12:15


Met Office remarkably bullish with the temps still:


https://twitter.com/metoffice/status/1291806836954365954?s=21


 


Originally Posted by: TimS 


 


All depends on cloud cover models seem to be struggling big time with it. But if we can get a mostly clear day tomorrow I think somewhere will get very close to 100f. Same goes for Sunday and Monday maybe even Tuesday.


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Rob K
07 August 2020 20:12:54


 


I don't think your figures above are correct Rob. The minimum is taken from the 24hrs to 09z on the day in question. So the appropriate minimum that goes with the maximum of 37.9 on the 10th is the period from 09z on the 9th to 09z on the 10th. The temperature was 18.3C at 09z on the 9th. So the mean is in fact 28.1C


Looking at the highest minimum records by month the highest July minimum was St James Park at 23.3C on 29 July 1948. I looked at the maximum that day and it was 33.3C. So the mean was 28.3C which is slightly higher than the Heathrow figure above.


Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Well if that's the case then surely it is tomorrow's max that will count when working out the daily mean following tonight's very high minimum? And that is likely to be lower than today's, making a 30C mean very unlikely.


Although having said that it seems to be southern stations in Sussex that will have the highest minima and they are also forecast to be the hottest tomorrow. Arome for instance has minima of 23-24C and maxima of 36-37C tomorrow, making it just about feasible somewhere.


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Heavy Weather 2013
07 August 2020 20:15:03

Was the London Weather Centre ever an official station?

Where exactly was it based?


If it was it would be great for temperature watch tonight


Mark
Beckton, E London
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superteacher
07 August 2020 20:17:23


Was the London Weather Centre ever an official station?

Where exactly was it based?


If it was it would be great for temperature watch tonight


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

i believe it was on the roof of their centre in Holborn.

Rob K
07 August 2020 20:20:23


Was the London Weather Centre ever an official station?

Where exactly was it based?


If it was it would be great for temperature watch tonight


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


It was on the rooftop of the LWC which was most recently in Clerkenwell Road, but before that in Holborn. See some history here: https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/wea.81


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
07 August 2020 20:24:08

Still 30c at London city airport 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Heavy Weather 2013
07 August 2020 20:31:51


 


It was on the rooftop of the LWC which was most recently in Clerkenwell Road, but before that in Holborn. See some history here: https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/wea.81


 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Thanks mate. Will give that a read.


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TimS
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07 August 2020 20:36:46
I’m near City airport but it’s a bit cooler here. 25.6C
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Brian Gaze
07 August 2020 20:45:51

23.9C here. 


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Gusty
07 August 2020 20:45:56

A bit weird this...27.4c here @ 21.45 hrs.


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TimS
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07 August 2020 20:51:10

I’m near City airport but it’s a bit cooler here. 25.6C

Originally Posted by: TimS 


Some fascinating microclimate effects on my evening walk with a mobile thermometer. 25.2 at the end of my road...24.9 by the railway cutting...26.0 by the church...27.1C on the top of our hilltop park Hilly Fields. 


EDIT: and a whopping 28.0C on the East side of the park under the trees. That’s a 3C variation in a tiny pocket of the inner London suburbs, and surprisingly the warmest area is the greenest area. All altitude and inversion related I think. Between 25 at coldest point and 60m asl at warmest.


EDIT 2: 22.7C literally 100m down the hill at the bottom of the park.


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Ally Pally Snowman
07 August 2020 20:56:18

Still 26c at my nearest WS Stansted AP.


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
redmoons
07 August 2020 21:03:12
24.4c @10pm here in Watford
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