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Ally Pally Snowman
21 January 2021 20:16:02


 


I think the heat of 15-20C uppers now appearing on some bottom side of the charts lately and recently Death Valley reached new record 32C 90F for Jan which previous record was 31C 87F.  Now Spain would be looking at 30C which is amazing after deep snow and subzero temps there so that very interesting there.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 


 


Yes its looking like we might even see 15c or 16c to see out January here.


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Jiries
21 January 2021 20:24:16


 


 


Yes its looking like we might even see 15c or 16c to see out January here.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


That also might help to reset this most boring pattern we been stuck for a month now and if this can go up to 15-16C follow by -2 to -5C day time in early Feb if easterly arise then bring it on, don't want to see 1-5C day and night temps again.  Need something to break this pattern and perhaps this extreme mild is the way forward to do it.  

Ally Pally Snowman
21 January 2021 20:30:37


 


That also might help to reset this most boring pattern we been stuck for a month now and if this can go up to 15-16C follow by -2 to -5C day time in early Feb if easterly arise then bring it on, don't want to see 1-5C day and night temps again.  Need something to break this pattern and perhaps this extreme mild is the way forward to do it.  


Originally Posted by: Jiries 


 


I think February has a better than average chance of an easterly this year.  But its unlikely in the next 2 weeks. 


 


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fairweather
21 January 2021 20:31:07

Possibly the coldest spell of the winter for the S.E coming up at the weekend with the BBC now talking about the possibility of snow Sunday. We'll see but its been on the cards for a while.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Heavy Weather 2013
21 January 2021 20:31:28
Id take a 02 February 2009 again. That remains one of the best snowfalls I’ve seen on London for sometime.
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Ally Pally Snowman
21 January 2021 20:35:34

Id take a 02 February 2009 again. That remains one of the best snowfalls I’ve seen on London for sometime.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Yes an amazing streamer set up buried all of London.  And was the start of 4 very snowy years for the capital. 


 


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jhall
21 January 2021 21:58:03

Id take a 02 February 2009 again. That remains one of the best snowfalls I’ve seen on London for sometime.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


It was rather frustrating for me. We were just on the fringe of the area of heavy snow and only had about 5 cm, while less than 10 miles to the north they had four or five times as much. Of course nowadays I'd be delighted with 5 cm.


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Brian Gaze
21 January 2021 22:19:19


 


Been stuck like that since about 10:30 this morning.


Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 


The development data server isn't running at the moment. 


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ballamar
21 January 2021 22:51:52
GFS pub run building the high with a weak easterly
backtobasics
21 January 2021 22:55:53

GFS pub run building the high with a weak easterly

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


It's fairly week but drawing in some pretty cold air.  

tallyho_83
21 January 2021 23:12:43


 


The development data server isn't running at the moment. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Really wish the PARA was up and running as prior to it's 'crash' it was showing an easterly and now the GFS Op run shows an easterly so would like to know what the para is showing!


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fairweather
21 January 2021 23:27:57


 


Yes an amazing streamer set up buried all of London.  And was the start of 4 very snowy years for the capital. 


 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Indeed, the end of that period prompted me to buy new plastic sledges for my young grandsons.  Not used since and one is now an adult !


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tallyho_83
21 January 2021 23:58:13

Just look at his face on control @ 306z - trying to smile:


https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSC00EU18_306_1.png



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318z smile becomes too cheesy!



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Zubzero
22 January 2021 00:09:42

Id take a 02 February 2009 again. That remains one of the best snowfalls I’ve seen on London for sometime.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Check out the 850 hpa temp contrast @ mid day 😨


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/archives/archives.php?day=2&month=2&year=2009&hour=12&type=era&map=0&type=era&region=uk&mode=0 

ballamar
22 January 2021 05:31:52
ENS showing signs of blocking in the right places in about 10 days - Feb could definitely turn out cold
BJBlake
22 January 2021 06:10:47

ENS showing signs of blocking in the right places in about 10 days - Feb could definitely turn out cold

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

Yes - and signs now strengthening on this - with GFS showing most purterbations ending with a northerly flow and most with uppers cold enough for propper wintry conditions. The para is the outlier - as usual recently with a full blown BFTE set up - but look at the average 850hpa and the -5 line is continuing the trend for this to be further south than previous runs. 


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ballamar
22 January 2021 06:58:55
ECM hinting at blocking to the NE becoming influential towards the end of the run, hopefully no false dawns this time
TPentlow
22 January 2021 07:07:30
https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/cfs.aspx?run=00&charthour=0&chartname=850temp&chartregion=nh&charttag=850%20hPa%20C 

CFSv2 going for a cold February this morning with strong northern blocking, the -10 knocking on the door of the east coast! Hoping for a February 2009, which was great for snow in Northamptonshire!
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22 January 2021 07:29:19

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/cfs.aspx?run=00&charthour=0&chartname=850temp&chartregion=nh&charttag=850%20hPa%20C

CFSv2 going for a cold February this morning with strong northern blocking, the -10 knocking on the door of the east coast! Hoping for a February 2009, which was great for snow in Northamptonshire!

Originally Posted by: TPentlow 


 


Good to see a new early morning poster on here.


But I'm afraid February is in the hopecasting range: http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/prec4 is showing plenty of action on the rainfall front for the next two weeks and very little from the movement of cold air on the associated temp chart.


GFS - remains of Storm Christoph hanging around over Norway until Tue 26th, after which a full 12 days with series of LPs running from the Atlantic across or close to N Scotland, closer to UK than previously forecast, none very deep or cold. Copious snow for Scottish mountains?


GEFS - much as yesterday , cool to Tue 26th, mild to Sun 31st, considerable spread after that but generally on the cool side, even drifting towards cold from Thu 4th. Rain on most days in the S, Scotland gets a dry period to Tue 26th before joining in.


ECM - less of a train of LPs after Tue 26th but does produce one much deeper 970mb Sun 31st NI


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White Meadows
22 January 2021 07:55:54

ENS showing signs of blocking in the right places in about 10 days - Feb could definitely turn out cold

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

I guess the Martians ‘could definitely’ land on Hampstead Heath in February too.

Arbroath 1320
22 January 2021 08:05:44

Growing confidence in the MO this morning for a temporary warm up from the middle of next week thanks to the Iberian high exerting it's influence.

From the start of February the GFS 850s begin to fall away again. A quick look through the Edinburgh ENS suggests the downward trend is due to cold zonality rather than sustainable height rises to our NE. All FI at that stage though, so anything is possible as we head into February.

Unfortunate that the GFS para is still down, as it was showing some consistency in it's FI runs earlier in the week.


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Ally Pally Snowman
22 January 2021 08:05:52

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/cfs.aspx?run=00&charthour=0&chartname=850temp&chartregion=nh&charttag=850%20hPa%20C

CFSv2 going for a cold February this morning with strong northern blocking, the -10 knocking on the door of the east coast! Hoping for a February 2009, which was great for snow in Northamptonshire!

Originally Posted by: TPentlow 


 


That's actually a remarkable cold signal for a whole month.  Shame it's the CFS which is about as useful as a chocolate teapot. 


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ballamar
22 January 2021 08:21:01


I guess the Martians ‘could definitely’ land on Hampstead Heath in February too.


Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


 


haha definitely was not the right word there at all! Potentially’ would have made more sense

marting
22 January 2021 08:26:19

Growing signs of easterly influence in the ECM ensembles this morning and a dropping temp past day 8. winds shifting more easterly.


https://www.ecmwf.int/en/forecasts/charts/web/classical_meteogram?facets=undefined&time=2021012200,0,2021012200&epsgram=classical_15d_with_climate&lat=53.2&lon=-2.91667&station_name=ManChester,%20United%20Kingdom&altitude=undefined


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Brian Gaze
22 January 2021 08:28:44


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/cfs.aspx?run=00&charthour=0&chartname=850temp&chartregion=nh&charttag=850%20hPa%20C

CFSv2 going for a cold February this morning with strong northern blocking, the -10 knocking on the door of the east coast! Hoping for a February 2009, which was great for snow in Northamptonshire!


Originally Posted by: TPentlow 


I mentioned on Twitter recently that IMO GEFS35 at that range is a far better option than CFSv2 regardless of the website / app you are viewing the charts on. On TWO GEFS 35 can be selected here:


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twoforecasts/gefs-35-day.aspx


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twoforecasts/gefs-europe.aspx


However, that's just my view and I don't have stats to back it up.


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