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Snow Hoper
26 January 2021 16:40:15
More Jam tomorrow anyone?
Going to war over religion is like killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend.


Home : Thorndon, Suffolk.
Ally Pally Snowman
26 January 2021 16:47:41

More Jam tomorrow anyone?

Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 


I'd normally agree but it matches today's Met office update pretty well. 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Rob K
26 January 2021 16:48:05


Slowly, slowly catchy monkey! 



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Would be interesting to see the trend from 2015 to 2020, as we have had a lot of northern blocking lately (but mostly at the wrong time of year!)


 


Is that something you could pull from GFS data in the same way you did the 850mb temperature analysis?


 


Edit - just realised that one is only December to Feb. Is the trend reversed in summer, I wonder?


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." β€” Jerome K. Jerome
nsrobins
26 January 2021 16:48:21

More Jam tomorrow anyone?

Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 


The positive being the shift to N/NE heights starts at 180 not 240.


If this goes the easterly route to cold it’ll be a huge win for GEM. Expectations capped as per usual though.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Whether Idle
26 January 2021 16:51:03


 


The positive being the shift to N/NE heights starts at 180 not 240.


If this goes the easterly route to cold it’ll be a huge win for GEM. Expectations capped as per usual though.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Yes, GEM has gone up in my estimation of late, and if pulls this one off then Long Live The King! (as it were).


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
hobensotwo
26 January 2021 16:51:24

More Jam tomorrow anyone?

Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 


What is meant by the term JAM?

Snow Hoper
26 January 2021 16:51:47


 


I'd normally agree but it matches today's Met office update pretty well. 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


I'm pleased to see a couple of things. For the first time in a while both the OP and the Para are trying to sing from the same hymn sheet. They've also just boarded the same train as the GEM. Besides the finer details, I'm now looking for more from the others and that dreaded word 'consistency' before it can be taken seriously.


Going to war over religion is like killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend.


Home : Thorndon, Suffolk.
Snow Hoper
26 January 2021 16:54:29


 


What is meant by the term JAM?


Originally Posted by: hobensotwo 


Something Sweet. A good run offering something sweet but seems to be always out of reach.


Going to war over religion is like killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend.


Home : Thorndon, Suffolk.
warrenb
26 January 2021 16:56:41


 


Something Sweet. A good run offering something sweet but seems to be always out of reach.


Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 


Ah thought you had misspelt JMA 


Arbroath 1320
26 January 2021 16:58:39

The GFS 12z shows what can happen with subtle differences at the 120t range. The 00z was way more progressive, the 6z slowed down the progression and the 12z has halted it. As a result, heights build to our NE and bingo. 


It all hinges on the ridge from the GH which most models are forecasting to build southwards this weekend. Will it get blasted away as in ECM 00z & GFS 00z or will it be strong enough to make the incoming Atlantic low slide as GEM has been supportive of in the last few runs?  


Very much in the balance I think. More runs needed as ever and the ECM 12z will be interesting.


GGTTH
doctormog
26 January 2021 17:07:49


 


Ah thought you had misspelt JMA 


Originally Posted by: warrenb 


Here you go https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/JMAOPEU12_24_1.png  (for tomorrow of course )


doctormog
26 January 2021 17:12:13
There seems to have been quite a shift on the early stage of the 12z GFS ensembles (up here at least). After tomorrow the mean drops below -5ΒΊC (at t850hPA) and stays there until the end of the month. For comparison, on the 00z suite the mean reached -2.4 on the 29th. Not shocking but quite notable for an ensemble mean at such shirt range.
Gandalf The White
26 January 2021 17:28:59

There seems to have been quite a shift on the early stage of the 12z GFS ensembles (up here at least). After tomorrow the mean drops below -5ºC (at t850hPA) and stays there until the end of the month. For comparison, on the 00z suite the mean reached -2.4 on the 29th. Not shocking but quite notable for an ensemble mean at such shirt range.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


I assume that given the weather that would be long-sleeved rather than short?



Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


MRayner
26 January 2021 17:37:40

There seems to have been quite a shift on the early stage of the 12z GFS ensembles (up here at least). After tomorrow the mean drops below -5ºC (at t850hPA) and stays there until the end of the month. For comparison, on the 00z suite the mean reached -2.4 on the 29th. Not shocking but quite notable for an ensemble mean at such shirt range.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

So colder rain than was originally thought πŸ˜ƒπŸ˜ƒ


Location Whisky πŸ₯ƒ country, Cragganmore ,Moray, 440 AMSL
Rob K
26 January 2021 17:37:45


 


What is meant by the term JAM?


Originally Posted by: hobensotwo 


Jam tomorrow or jam to-morrow (older spelling) is an expression for a never-fulfilled promise. Some pleasant event in the future, which is never likely to materialize. It originates from Lewis Carroll's 1871 book Through the Looking Glass and What Alice Found There.


The phrase meant more in the days when school children learned Latin...


 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jam_tomorrow


 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." β€” Jerome K. Jerome
Gandalf The White
26 January 2021 17:38:49

As always, just for fun...   P29 shows what happens if pressure builds and holds to the NE: the battleground becomes the middle of the UK with rain/snow in the south but a lot of snow across the Midlands/North and into East Anglia.


This is one of those periods when you really don't envy the Met Office people who are trying to decipher the signals.


 


Sample for Monday:



Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Jiries
26 January 2021 17:39:48

Decent 12z in the longer term... and GEM sticking to its guns

Originally Posted by: squish 


Seem GEM is leading the way and others follow suit.  Need to make sure tomorrow is been counted down and not staying at 9 to 10 days range. 

doctormog
26 January 2021 17:41:07


As always, just for fun...   P29 shows what happens if pressure builds and holds to the NE: the battleground becomes the middle of the UK with rain/snow in the south but a lot of snow across the Midlands/North and into East Anglia.


This is one of those periods when you really don't envy the Met Office people who are trying to decipher the signals.


 


Sample for Monday:



Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


That one's faulty, it shows snow here. 


nsrobins
26 January 2021 17:44:29
There’s actually quite a lot of HLB options in the GEFS - about 80% in fact showing variations on the theme. The spaghetti plots will probably show a decent switch down from D7 on previous efforts.
Big ECM tonight. Maybe bigger than normal. Possibly the biggest for a while.
(Other hyperbole is available on request) 😎
Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
marco 79
26 January 2021 17:45:09
MJO Ph 7...maybe GEM picked this up early I don't know...but GFS op is gradually weasling it's way to a cold western and central europe..will ecm join in..and more consequently will GFS keep to its guns in subsequent runs..as always time will tell
Home : Mid Leicestershire ...135m ASL
hobensotwo
26 January 2021 17:57:02


 


Jam tomorrow or jam to-morrow (older spelling) is an expression for a never-fulfilled promise. Some pleasant event in the future, which is never likely to materialize. It originates from Lewis Carroll's 1871 book Through the Looking Glass and What Alice Found There.


The phrase meant more in the days when school children learned Latin...


 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jam_tomorrow


 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Fascinating, I never would have guessed that. Thanks for the explanation πŸ‘


 

Col
  • Col
  • Advanced Member
26 January 2021 18:08:08


 


Fascinating, I never would have guessed that. Thanks for the explanation πŸ‘


 


Originally Posted by: hobensotwo 


Or alternatively just keep on endlessly chasing the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqV22NbR5Wc


Col
Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg
Whether Idle
26 January 2021 18:08:57

Will the ECM follow GEM at t96-120?


Edit - something to distract you while you wait:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3iC3SgsZO0


 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Heavy Weather 2013
26 January 2021 18:13:29
ECM most crucial run of the season so far.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
GezM
  • GezM
  • Advanced Member
26 January 2021 18:14:19


As always, just for fun...   P29 shows what happens if pressure builds and holds to the NE: the battleground becomes the middle of the UK with rain/snow in the south but a lot of snow across the Midlands/North and into East Anglia.


This is one of those periods when you really don't envy the Met Office people who are trying to decipher the signals.


 


Sample for Monday:



Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


This set up is reminding me of some of the winters in the 1980s. Back in the 70s and 80s there seemed to be a lot more of these cold v mild battlegrounds over the UK in the winter months. These would give snow to rain events quite frequently in the south with big snowfalls in the midlands and the north. Occasionally the cold air would win out and give us a load of snow down south too.

In those days we didn't have lots of different weather models to pore over (no sexist jokes please!).  We used to just rely on the BBC and newspaper forecasts. And of course Ceefax. Am I looking through frosty spectacles?


 


Living in St Albans, Herts (116m asl)
Working at Luton Airport, Beds (160m asl)

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