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Retron
11 February 2021 16:36:19


As we were heading into this spell the GFS showed max temps here reaching -3C on 08/02 and 09/02. I suspected it was underestimating values because if had been correct we were on course for something comparable to Feb 91.  


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


And if it'd been right here, it'd have been something like 6 ice days in a row! In reality it's just been one ice day, although even that was by the barest minimum (-0.1C).


It's still at it too. The 12z has -3C as a high tomorrow and -2C as a high on Saturday (just before it ticks over to Sunday). I would expect 0 or 1 tomorrow and maybe 2 or 3 late on Saturday instead... but we'll see, we'll see!


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Brian Gaze
11 February 2021 16:43:06


 


And if it'd been right here, it'd have been something like 6 ice days in a row! In reality it's just been one ice day, although even that was by the barest minimum (-0.1C).


It's still at it too. The 12z has -3C as a high tomorrow and -2C as a high on Saturday (just before it ticks over to Sunday). I would expect 0 or 1 tomorrow and maybe 2 or 3 late on Saturday instead... but we'll see, we'll see!


Originally Posted by: Retron 


I set up a GFS grib feed for a private weather company a good while ago. They asked me if I could just bump up raw data temperatures by either 1C or 2C because it "would be more accurate". I told them to get their IT guy to update it after download and processing because I didn't want it coming back to me if they subsequently had issues with data that had been adjusted in such a crude way. 


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Jiries
11 February 2021 16:51:02


 


As we were heading into this spell the GFS showed max temps here reaching -3C on 08/02 and 09/02. I suspected it was underestimating values because if had been correct we were on course for something comparable to Feb 91.  


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It bene 30 years now for not seeing very deep cold temperatures and still counting after this failed rubbish cold spell for nothing.  Glad to see warm charts for 20th Feb and hope to make a habit of occurring warmer spells in Spring to lead a hotter drier summer we need after a very wet cold winter.

Snow Hoper
11 February 2021 16:51:46
Maybe some crumbs from the GEM in the latter stages.
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CField
11 February 2021 16:52:54

GEM giving some realistic hope....hope to see more if this from the others


..Dont think the wait will be too long!


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doctormog
11 February 2021 17:11:20


GEM giving some realistic hope....hope to see more if this from the others


..Dont think the wait will be too long!


Originally Posted by: CField 


Yes, not too long to spring. 

A few more degrees on the 240hr chart would be good. https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GEMOPUK12_240_38.png 


western100
11 February 2021 17:17:25
Generally I am very happy for spring / warmer weather to arrive

I’d love it to stay cold but going into the final 3rd of February, I think it’s more wishful thinking.

Cold is delivered in Spring but not commonly and 2018 is 1 in 100 year event for a Spring month, unlikely it would happen again 3 years later

I do agree that extremes are more frequent, both hot and cold.

At least this cold period ends with some long standing temperatures figures.

-11 here last night on my station, not bad

GFS / ECM / GEM all show milder airflow arriving on the weekend. As I expected the HP sinks over Europe which never ends well for us
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Whether Idle
11 February 2021 17:52:26

Ukmo +144

Seen worse

Originally Posted by: squish 


I think those posters looking wishfully for spring-like conditions my find their wishes thwarted a few days out.  There is lurking  menace in this Met Office 144 chart


https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=1&ech=144&carte=1021


 


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doctormog
11 February 2021 17:55:05


 


I think those posters looking wishfully for spring-like conditions my find their wishes thwarted a few days out.  There is lurking  menace in this Met Office 144 chart


https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=1&ech=144&carte=1021


 


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Most other options are menace free though. I’m not convinced by any quick reload to anything notably wintry but I wouldn’t rule it out completely, especially if the ECM is supportive of the UKMO scenario at that time point.


squish
11 February 2021 17:57:08
The 00z 168ECM was similar to ukmo +144 this afternoon
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Quantum
11 February 2021 17:57:26

It still isn't over yet.


The difference between keeping the cold and losing it is minute. And it comes down to how deep that shortwave is.


If its deep it lowers heights over Iberia and causes WAA further west and props up the high. If its shallow it causes a height rise further east and collapses it.


This is not about the intensity of the LP, the weaker surface lows actually seem to do a better job of lowering heights.


And what is the thing that low res models can't handle very well?


Shortwaves, much less ones that could possibly under go barotropic development over the med.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
squish
11 February 2021 17:57:38
The 00z 168ECM was similar to ukmo +144 this afternoon
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Quantum
11 February 2021 18:00:47

Compare. This is the GFSPara 6Z run from yesterday which had that epic cold shot.



This is today's GFS para12Z



 


 


Look at that shortwave. On yesterdays 6Z it was much deeper (higher up, not more intense at the surface) than today.


Do we really trust the low res models to handle its intensification well?


 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Saint Snow
11 February 2021 18:02:49


Sunday looking like a complete bake in much of the country.



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Yup, all models now moved away from the snowy breakdown scenario. The orientation of the block and approaching fronts by Saturday see to that.


Can't catch a break here the last few winters. 




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Quantum
11 February 2021 18:15:20

The key moment is from 18-24h on the GFS


After that the trough is too far away to have any impact.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
The Beast from the East
11 February 2021 18:22:19

still a number of cold options on the GEFS. A blast of spring followed by another cold snap is possible


 


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Quantum
11 February 2021 18:26:08


still a number of cold options on the GEFS. A blast of spring followed by another cold snap is possible


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Its still possible to avoid mild entirely.


I think it becomes impossible at 18h when that trough development is sorted.


So if its mild on the 6Z tommorow then that's it.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
The Beast from the East
11 February 2021 18:30:19

Could go anywhere from here



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The Beast from the East
11 February 2021 18:32:28


 


Its still possible to avoid mild entirely.


I think it becomes impossible at 18h when that trough development is sorted.


So if its mild on the 6Z tommorow then that's it.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I love your optimism, but that really would be the most remarkable flip in model history


More realistic is the block coming back after a mild period. Happened a lot in the 80s. I remember Ian MacAskill used to say a warm southerly could easily become a cold easterly


 


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The Beast from the East
11 February 2021 18:36:20

Hello



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The Beast from the East
11 February 2021 18:37:21

always looks better in NH view



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Snow Hoper
11 February 2021 18:40:12
ECM 168hrs is ok. Thankfully whatever happens, it's not looking overly wet.
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Downpour
11 February 2021 18:41:58


Sunday looking like a complete bake in much of the country.



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Looks fairly dry in the all-important SE corner 😅


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Snow Hoper
11 February 2021 18:45:22
Think the ECM might give Q some hope😊
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Snow Hoper
11 February 2021 18:51:10


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