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Bolty
13 August 2022 18:39:00


Astronomical summer!  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


I go with the meteorological seasons personally. Whilst early September can be warmer than a good part of June, I tend to judge the seasons on more than just temperatures.


For me, early September has a completely different feel to early June. The sun is much lower and weaker, the days are much shorter and nature has that tired and weary look. Contrast that to early June when you have the night-long twilight, a searing sun and plants in full and fresh growth. It's safe to say that I think June has much more of a "summer" feel to it.


It's the same with early March. Whilst it's often colder and snowier than early December, it just doesn't have that same wintry feel to it. The sun is getting stronger, the days getting longer and the daffodils and crocuses are pushing through the soil. Whereas in December, everything is gloomy and dark, with only the Christmas lights brightening things up a bit.


Just my view as there's really no way we can all truly define the beginnings and ends of seasons. Mother Nature after all will decide when summer ends and autumn begins.


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Ally Pally Snowman
13 August 2022 18:53:11

High pressure builds in significantly 168+ on the ECM. 


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doctormog
13 August 2022 18:57:40

The deluge in places on Tuesday into Wednesday on the ECM 12z are probably a decent representation of the potential described in the Met Office warning. I suspect there will be some flooding issues around in places in the coming days.


Jiries
13 August 2022 18:59:42


High pressure builds in significantly 168+ on the ECM. 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


That good so that there more support and trends for HP to return quickly and hope to extend to September.

Ally Pally Snowman
13 August 2022 19:01:00


 


That good so that there more support and trends for HP to return quickly and hope to extend to September.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 


Yes by day 10 its heatwave territory again 


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Brian Gaze
13 August 2022 19:10:27


Going by the poor performance of UKV recently (e.g. yesterday IMBY a forecast of 24C in the 0z run becomes 29C by the 12z run), I wonder whether there'll actually be any colder than average conditions down here in the next couple of weeks.


The textbooks would tell you that the average max here is 22C in August (itself up a degree from the old 61-90 averages), but the coldest so far is 23.8C. In fact there's only been one colder than average day since the 1st July and even that was only 0.6C below average!


It seems the adage of a "add a few degrees" applies as much in the summer now as it does in the winter.


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Absolutely extraordinary. Even in a hot summer you would expect a few cooler days.


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The Beast from the East
13 August 2022 19:39:47


 


Meanwhile, where are the hurricanes? It is supposed to be a particularly active season (and the Pacific is now up to H) - we could do with one or two crossing the Atlantic to import some moisture from the Caribbean.


Originally Posted by: DEW 


Yes, I was wondering what had gone wrong. There were dire warnings a few months ago but clearly something has changed


 


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Downpour
13 August 2022 20:09:58


The deluge in places on Tuesday into Wednesday on the ECM 12z are probably a decent representation of the potential described in the Met Office warning. I suspect there will be some flooding issues around in places in the coming days.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


Will affect only a tiny slice of the UK population though, even if it happens. Tens of millions remain desperate for rain. 


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doctormog
13 August 2022 20:21:02


 


 


Will affect only a tiny slice of the UK population though, even if it happens. Tens of millions remain desperate for rain. 


Originally Posted by: Downpour 


The point, although I appreciate this is difficult for you to understand, is that some other places might be impacted by significant and heavy rain in the coming days and this is reflected in some of the model output possibilities and the three days of weather warnings. I suspect flooding in some places will make the news in combination and indeed contrast with the heat and dryness in others.


Downpour
13 August 2022 20:33:14


 


I go with the meteorological seasons personally. Whilst early September can be warmer than a good part of June, I tend to judge the seasons on more than just temperatures.


For me, early September has a completely different feel to early June. The sun is much lower and weaker, the days are much shorter and nature has that tired and weary look. Contrast that to early June when you have the night-long twilight, a searing sun and plants in full and fresh growth. It's safe to say that I think June has much more of a "summer" feel to it.


Originally Posted by: Bolty 


 


You could say similarly about May, but that is nevertheless a spring month.


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Downpour
13 August 2022 20:36:27


 


The point, although I appreciate this is difficult for you to understand, is that some other places might be impacted by significant and heavy rain in the coming days and this is reflected in some of the model output possibilities and the three days of weather warnings. I suspect flooding in some places will make the news in combination and indeed contrast with the heat and dryness in others.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


Indeed. But has to be placed in context (if it happens at all). The big picture is the relatively high risk of continued drought for the vast majority of the UK population.


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Jiries
13 August 2022 20:43:02

26C now seem much warmer night than expected? it show high teens tonight so tomorrow few places might see 36 to 37C range if by morning over 20C minimum.  

doctormog
13 August 2022 20:47:58


 


 


Indeed. But has to be placed in context (if it happens at all). The big picture is the relatively high risk of continued drought for the vast majority of the UK population.


Originally Posted by: Downpour 


No it really doesn’t. It is a valid and important point in isolation, just like the ongoing dryness in other places is.  


Zubzero
13 August 2022 21:00:35


The deluge in places on Tuesday into Wednesday on the ECM 12z are probably a decent representation of the potential described in the Met Office warning. I suspect there will be some flooding issues around in places in the coming days.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Yes could be some severe flooding in places,  not sure how dry it is atm in locations forecast the most rain. It would be bad enough at any time but if some locations with very dry hard baked ground get the amount of precipitation that's forecast it could cause a lot of flooding issues. 


 


 https://check-for-flooding.service.gov.uk/?v=map-outlook


 

doctormog
13 August 2022 21:06:46


 


Yes could be some severe flooding in places,  not sure how dry it is atm in locations forecast the most rain. It would be bad enough at any time but if some locations with very dry hard baked ground get the amount of precipitation that's forecast it could cause a lot of flooding issues. 


 


 https://check-for-flooding.service.gov.uk/?v=map-outlook


 


Originally Posted by: Zubzero 


Yes that’s a very good point and I think the ground is pretty dry/solid in some of the areas. I suspect that quite a few “random” locations both north and south could experience torrential rain and flooding before something a bit more settled moves in once again. Many places could do with the rain but possibly over three weeks (or months) rather than threes hours. 


Zubzero
13 August 2022 21:10:19


 


No it really doesn’t. It is a valid and important point in isolation, just like the ongoing dryness in other places is.  


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Ahh but places away from the South and East,  are in a Galaxy far far away In another dimension so dont count 🚀 

Downpour
13 August 2022 21:10:32


 


No it really doesn’t. It is a valid and important point in isolation, just like the ongoing dryness in other places is.  


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


It’s a valid and interesting observation for sure. But context is always key: it’s likely to relieve the drought for approx 1-3% of the population, if that. 

A similar observation would be snow across the Peak District in January, a valid point but in the context of cold rain for 90% of the UK population. 


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13 August 2022 21:35:25


 


 


It’s a valid and interesting observation for sure. But context is always key: it’s likely to relieve the drought for approx 1-3% of the population, if that. 

A similar observation would be snow across the Peak District in January, a valid point but in the context of cold rain for 90% of the UK population. 


Originally Posted by: Downpour 


If this were the drought thread then maybe. But it’s the MO discussion, and potential heavy rain and flooding is interesting wherever if happens and regardless of any context.


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Rob K
14 August 2022 07:33:38
High pressure very much back in charge in a week to 10 days time on this morning’s output. Could get rather warm again too.
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The Beast from the East
14 August 2022 08:29:22

High pressure very much back in charge in a week to 10 days time on this morning’s output. Could get rather warm again too.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


ECM looking more unsettled again than GFS, GEM has been consistent as well about rain bands sweeping in


 


 


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Jiries
14 August 2022 09:22:59

High pressure very much back in charge in a week to 10 days time on this morning’s output. Could get rather warm again too.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


GFS had been a king this summer and pin pointed the heatwave last month and this current heatwave 2 weeks ago.  I wonder if they will carry on showing the cold and snowy charts 2 weeks ahead come to reality instead of disappearing acts?  I expect very warm again in later August with 25-30C days which it still very good and keep your heating off longer, I Had mine on once last year very cold August so want to avoid it.

Hungry Tiger
14 August 2022 09:48:22

Post heatwave maxes not at all bad. From Tuesday: 28, 25, 24, 25, 25, 26, 27, 29. Like a legendary May hot spell.

Getting hotter from 24th onwards.


Originally Posted by: TimS 


Those are perfect. Carry that through the August Bank Holiday and that would run through to the end of September with temps by day in the mid to high 20s.


 


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Hungry Tiger
14 August 2022 09:49:06


 


GFS had been a king this summer and pin pointed the heatwave last month and this current heatwave 2 weeks ago.  I wonder if they will carry on showing the cold and snowy charts 2 weeks ahead come to reality instead of disappearing acts?  I expect very warm again in later August with 25-30C days which it still very good and keep your heating off longer, I Had mine on once last year very cold August so want to avoid it.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 


Great post Jiries.


 


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moomin75
14 August 2022 10:03:44
Quite a lot less rain showing up on the 6z next week.
Showers yes, but even more hit and miss than previously suggested.
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Ally Pally Snowman
14 August 2022 10:13:28

ECM ensembles still on for more heat starting 22nd ish.


 


 


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